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Moon Landing is a Fake

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dB i do NOT want to be right. i watched the moon landing too. i was so honored to have witnessed it. we have lost 14 astronauts with the shuttle mission a mear 200 miles above earth yet we are to believe we went to the moon 6 times 4 decades ago and never lost one man?! give me a break.

have i been teleported to C2C somehow?
 
Alan Bean didnt know the location of the van allen radiation belt... WTF..
i would expect an astronaut to know every detail about that danger, unless he didnt need to know for some reason...
 
Michael Lights book "Full Moon" published in association with NASA clearly shows image manipulation on about 10% of the photos.

i challenge dB to view at least 30 seconds of this video and tell us these photos are not manipulated. start watching at 1:50 or so.
 
Indeed.

And, I feel the conspiracies and crimes committed by the current administration are MUCH more egregious than the moon missions/lack thereof.

This is, from my perspective, mostly a social exercize--but it doesn't mean there isn't a cover-up.

I also am interested in the transmissions, and what the astronauts saw during the Apollo missions (and before). All the shuttle missions have allegedly been buzzed by UFOs. There are things of great interest in both the moon and UFO topics.

I guess if the Paracast ever gets REALLY hard up for a guest, we could always revisit this topic.
 
BrandonD said:
I'm not a believer in the "moon hoax" and I'm not a believer in the apollo story as it is told to us. I simply can't ignore the clear indication that something is wrong with the official story. What can be concluded from that is still up in the air, as far as I'm concerned.
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I have a lot of sympathy with you there - I also think that the fact that I was born AFTER the 'moon landings' and I'm not American, helps me to remain **objective** about this topic. I often get the impression that a lot of the folks who dismiss this out of hand are fighting to keep hold of a period in their life that makes them 'feel good inside' - which is perfectly understandable. Suggest to a Christian that they're worshipping the Sun and they won't like it one bit.
 
here is another one of NASA videos from a shuttle mission...


I assume its real... The objects are probably satellites, but the people on the video seem a little concerned.
 
Could they have been in deep shadow because they were exiting the LM into its shadow, just like in the thumbnail there, but all around them is bright, making it impossible to see stars?

I'm not really conversant in what you can and can't see star-wise from the lunar surface, but I seem to remember some astronaut or other saying something--it was the U2 pilot--talking about all the stars he could see.

But he didn't have the moon reflecting, and possibly, the sun in his eyes. I mean, presumably, if they're in daylight, the sun is in their eyes, right? This would make it not only hard for them to see stars, but might screw with the camera setting, so it couldn't, either. Remember they all had the sunglasses lid (looked like mirrorshades to me) on the helmets of their spacesuits they could pull down?

I realize this is pure supposition on my part, and I seem to be "reversing my position" but that's only because I play devil's advocate on this thing.

I believe in UFOs; let me be clear, "Flying Saucers", that is, alien spacecraft. How nuts is it that I allow for the possibility that the moon shots were hoaxed for some reason?

To shore up my position, I believe most UFOs, say, 90%, are honest misidentifications.

I think what's going on in Stephenville, TX, O'hare airport, and Phoenix, AZ, are NOT misidentifications. When craft are seen to be blocking out the stars, and reliable witnesses like pilots, policemen, judges, etc. stake their reputations with nothing to gain, these are cases that deserve much better scrutiny--and for once, the media seems to be holding up their end of the bargain. The Texas story has been getting much better treatment, and in general, the media seems to have shaken off the "laughing sickness" that they had up until recently regarding UFOs.

I would offer in this case, "Extraordinary cases require extraordinary investigation".

NASA has lied to us whenever it was convenient. They are NOT a civilian organization, they are a military organization, and a SECRET military organization. Hello, a spy satellite is about to "de-orbit" with dangerous hydrazine aboard, and they're only now telling us about it because they can't keep it in the sky.

By the way, first, they had an official come on TV and say everything was cool, they weren't going to have to do anything, it would just break up harmlessly in the atmosphere, and two hours later, they asked the president if they could fire a missile at it. From a ship in the ocean. Who knew they could shoot satellites out of orbit in space from a ship? And since when does anybody have to ask permission to--well, okay, I guess Bush doesn't have to get permission to start firing at stuff.

Anyway, I checked out the "UFO video" from Atlantis, and I wasn't impressed. The objects weren't moving around, zipping about, or performing in ways that would be unusual. It could have been something mundane, but they certainly did seem to focus on it a lot with the camera.

The fact that they have a secret channel to go to to speak to the ground, and it's a military frequency, I find interesting. Also, that after the Secret NASA Transmissions were released (the UFOs behind the tether, appearing and disappearing), they stopped transmitting live to the public, I also find rather fishy.

It's definitely a festive little debate we have going on here. Let's keep it civil, gentlemen.

I mean, there's lots of stuff I just can't see on my display, either. Although I'd be willing to bet David's got a much better display than I have... There's a Fox News video on YouTube where they have a spotlight on a black disc that's co-orbiting with the shuttle, and I couldn't see it. Maybe you can. At least they're showing interest, and covering it on national TV! It's encouraging.

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By the way, this isn't paranormal, but just as a little comic relief--we're getting a little hot under the collar here--this is REALLY funny. And short. (Viewer discretion advised.)

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Rick Deckard said:
I have a lot of sympathy with you there - I also think that the fact that I was born AFTER the 'moon landings' and I'm not American, helps me to remain **objective** about this topic. I often get the impression that a lot of the folks who dismiss this out of hand are fighting to keep hold of a period in their life that makes them 'feel good inside' - which is perfectly understandable. Suggest to a Christian that they're worshipping the Sun and they won't like it one bit.
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That is exactly my position on the matter. Not to pick on the host, but he's clearly stated more than once his opinion that "man on the moon" was the single greatest achievement of humanity. Considering that I have absolutely no feeling of pride for the accomplishments of the human race, I don't share those sort of sentiments. There is no emotional connection for me to the space program and its achievements, and (in my opinion) such a person is more able to simply look at the situation as it stands.
 
BrandonD said:
That is exactly my position on the matter. Not to pick on the host, but he's clearly stated more than once his opinion that "man on the moon" was the single greatest achievement of humanity. Considering that I have absolutely no feeling of pride for the accomplishments of the human race, I don't share those sort of sentiments. There is no emotional connection for me to the space program and its achievements, and (in my opinion) such a person is more able to simply look at the situation as it stands.
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Of course, there are also still people making a living from the Apollo images, so any doubts about the authenticity of the event could affect their ability to pay the bills...

...and if my livelihood depended on it, I suppose I'd be prepared to push any doubts that I might have to one side. ;)
 
BrandonD said:
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This idea is part of what I would label "consensus reality". Most people unreservedly subscribe to it. Doubting the authenticity of the Apollo images is comparable to doubting that the Sun revolves around the Earth, 500 years ago: It is an outrageous heresy, too "crazy" to be even contemplated.

BrandonD said:
There is no emotional connection for me to the space program and its achievements
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I feel the same. For most of my life I believed they went to the Moon. However, one day I came across an article that pointed out anomalies in some of the pictures, and I had to change my mind. If I remember correctly, the moment when the coin finally dropped was when I looked at this image: Buzz Aldrin standing in a spotlight.
 

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musictomyears said:
I feel the same. For most of my life I believed they went to the Moon. However, one day I came across an article that pointed out anomalies in some of the pictures, and I had to change my mind. If I remember correctly, the moment when the coin finally dropped was when I looked at this image: Buzz Aldrin standing in a spotlight.
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My 'doubts' began to emerge after the shuttle program had been going for several years and it became obvious that NASA had no intention of 'going back to the moon'. As a naive teenager (retrospectively speaking), who was really getting into Science-fiction at that point (late 80's), I thought we'd have regular shuttles between the Earth and the moon by the end of the 20th Century. What a joke - they can barely keep the shuttle in the orbit, never mind going to the moon...

...and where are the Mars rovers? $20 says they're in a desert - on Earth.
 
Okay, okay... now we're getting uncomfortably close to personal. The "host" is doing a great job. Not only is he your host, too (and mine), he doesn't even like talking about this subject, and it's out of some bizarre form of generosity that he's even left this thread open. Let's not prove his better judgement right.

I actually lost a good friend because of this topic. And you guys are right--he was very intelligent--much smarter than I am, I'm sure--and he couldn't wrap his brain around the idea that I believed in UFOs but <i>not</I> that we never went to the moon. I hadn't done my homework. Very smart people believe some strange things, and it's a good thing, too, because our paradigms change often because of it. Now I have done my homework, and I won't have any more spirited arguments with my friend. But my mind is open.

<i>I</I> think the human race has a lot to answer for, too, particularly we Americans--but any power that has used empire as an excuse to inflict human suffering--including the British, the Russian, the French, the Wiemar, the Persian, the Japanese, the Mongolian, Roman, Chinese... has their inevitable decline coming to them. Those that live by absolute primacy also die by it.

We also have good reason to want to celebrate the human race, and to try to preserve it. Erase all the moon shots from history--and look at everything else we've accomplished. The American military (and Al Gore, actually) are responsible for this precious resource we're using right now--the Internet. And it's gone far further and faster than I think its creators ever imagined it could have.

I've been to the Computer History Museum (Computer History Museum) down there in Mountain View, CA, and the accomplishments those giants performed are really quite miraculous.

The eradication of most disease known up through the end of the 20th century--and the vaccines for others. Philosophy--human rights, civil rights, art, science, music, history--if for no other reason so that we can learn from it--these should all be preserved.

I've spent more time than I'd like to admit worrying about the asteroid that will one day wipe us out. More and more recently, we see these mountains in space only days or hours before they come uncomfortably close (especially that last one!). As a science fiction writer, and just a human being, I think a lot about how important it is that we get a viable gene pool and a serious amount of storage for as much of the entirety of human history that we can fit off of this rock. Onto the moon, Mars, whatever. It would really be a shame for us to be one of the civilizations at the end of Drake's equation.

I agree that when paradigms are shattered, most people that believed in it can't cope. It's really hard to go through something like that. Once we get to the other side, hopefully we just think about how silly it was that we could think something like that.

So go easy on the Christians--and our "host"--let's not give up on them just yet. As for God, I've made up my mind. As for the moon, I haven't. It's fun to kick around. But for those that haven't yet come to enlightenment, we should give them more time. All the time in the world.
 
gilbavel said:
The "host" is doing a great job. Not only is he your host, too (and mine), he doesn't even like talking about this subject, and it's out of some bizarre form of generosity that he's even left this thread open. Let's not prove his better judgement right.
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Actually, no. David did close this thread down earlier on, but reopened it after I reminded him that this sub-forum is titled "Conspiracy Theories", and that Apollo has given rise to a classic conspiracy theory. It also ties in with UFOs.

gilbavel said:
The eradication of most disease known up through the end of the 20th century--and the vaccines for others.
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That's rather too generous of you. We didn't "eradicate" a significant number of diseases, but learned to manage many of them better. However, I understand what you are trying to say.
 
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