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[Tommy Allison]

Tommy, while I pretty much agree with your message in this post, as is often the way you chose to end it with a personal attack that was completely unnecessary.

Why do that?

Well Gareth, Here's a better question. Where did you get the idea that there's a nice person, or a kindly soul inside me?

Let me tell you where that person went. That person left me a long time ago after having dealt with scumbags, lying sacks of shit, conmen, and other douchebags over the last 10 years. If I'm nice to you, it's because chances are you're worthy of it. If I'm an absolute asshole, it's because you deserve my contempt.

I hope that clarifies things for you as to the why I feel compelled to call someone a coward. It's not because I'm spiteful, it's because that's the truth of things. It's a cowardly thing to do, to threaten others, and allow that threat to trickle down. You're treating someone like a fucking slave when you do that. You're using others to send a message that you're too cowardly to convey on your own.

Does that explain things sufficiently for you Gareth?

 

[Frozen E.T. Burrito]

You're using others to send a message that you're too cowardly to convey on your own.

I agree that if Bill has an issue with something that is being said regarding him or his interests that it would be far more honorable to simple log in and address them rather than making any sort of threats to hosts of the show / forum. It's a common weakness of people with money to use their resources against others who don't to get their way, and I find that to be... shitty. :shy:

 

[Gareth]

Fair enough.

 

[AnnetteMarie]

Well Gareth, Here's a better question. Where did you get the idea that there's a nice person, or a kindly soul inside me?

Let me tell you where that person went. That person left me a long time ago after having dealt with scumbags, lying sacks of shit, conmen, and other douchebags over the last 10 years. ..

so, they won?

 

[Tommy Allison]

so, they won?

Won? You mean, somehow I lost something in the way of kindness and decency when it comes to being victimized? No, I never lost anything as I'm still nice to the people who deserve it. It's the people I find contemptable who incur my hatred, and they get it a lot faster as I have absolutely no tolerance for their nonsense.

I became a little less tolerant of bullshit artists. Putting up with these kinds of people, is why the whole UFO Community is laughed at and marginalized. You want to know why when you talk about UFO's people make fun of you? These guys right here, and their outright idiocy.

 

[AnnetteMarie]

can't argue with the last part of your post, and probably not with the first, either. but I have personally found over the years that whatever anger I am feeling towards even the most contemptuous jerk, always manages to bounce its way back to me and when it hits, it hurts.
and then I wind up on the losing end, not the turkey who deserves it.

 

[Frozen E.T. Burrito]

Dr. Dyer to the rescue!

 

[Anders]

I found an interesting sighting in Project Blue Book's Unknowns Report from 1952. I just thought it was interesting that the 2006 sighting was not the first. Forgive me if someone has already mentioned this before.

571.
June 29, 1952. O'Hare Airport, Chicago, Illinois. 5:45-
N, 88° 1' 36" W] to the WSW at about 2° elevation and to
the left and S of the setting sun (which was at 284°
azimuth, 20° elevation, at 6:30), then move very fast to the
right and left, and up and down relative to the radio
towers, moving almost instantaneously and much faster
than any jet fighter. Object rocked on its longitudinal axis,
appeared oval (major/minor axis ratio about 2.2) when
oriented vertically, thin and difficult to see when
horizontal. Object receded at high speed then disappeared
like shutting off a light. No trail, no noise. Independently
witnessed by Chicago firemen several miles away. (Jan
Aldrich; unpublished Ruppelt manuscript)

 

[Gareth]

That really is interesting. Nice find.

 

[Apocalypto]

I agree. Anders, excellent find. Thanks for sharing. And welcome to the forums.

 

[Stillborn]

Dr. Dyer to the rescue!

I like the quote I learned from him, think he got it from Emerson, "Forgiveness is the fragrance the flower sheds on the heel that crushed it". But I also like the saying, "If you give respect to those who don't deserve it, with what do you pay the ones who do?". Or something like that. Ok, done being a fortune cooked.

The photo, and vid of this reported Ohare ufo is obvious BS btw. Don't think I've chimed in on this yet.

 

[Frozen E.T. Burrito]

"If you give respect to those who don't deserve it, with what do you pay the ones who do?"

Hmmm... interesting to think about. My best conclusion is that respect is not a finite resource, so I guess there's enough to go around for all, and all it takes is a willingness to spend it... all we need to do is drum up enough consumer confidence in enough folks and we'll have a healthy economy of respect! :shy:

 

[Frozen E.T. Burrito]

Independently
witnessed by Chicago firemen several miles away.

How would one go about finding up and verifying some of these guys, I wonder?

 

[Ron Collins]

David, listen I hate to bring this up, but why is there animosity between you Jeremy and Jeff? I only ask because the pool of people we can respect in this field is a shallow and ever shrinking one. In large part due to the paracast I see Jeff as one of the guys I feel is trustworthy. While Jeremy has always been more funny than serious to me I have never felt that he is exactly untrustworthy. So why the reversal?

 

[Gareth]

David, listen I hate to bring this up, but why is there animosity between you Jeremy and Jeff? I only ask because the pool of people we can respect in this field is a shallow and ever shrinking one. In large part due to the paracast I see Jeff as one of the guys I feel is trustworthy. While Jeremy has always been more funny than serious to me I have never felt that he is exactly untrustworthy. So why the reversal?

Thats obviously a big issue. Its doubtful whether it would ever be brought up again IMO.

I just cant see it happening after last weeks back and forth.

 

[bobheck]

can't argue with the last part of your post, and probably not with the first, either. but I have personally found over the years that whatever anger I am feeling towards even the most contemptuous jerk, always manages to bounce its way back to me and when it hits, it hurts.
and then I wind up on the losing end, not the turkey who deserves it.

(exit now if you don't like maudlin posts)


--- BEGIN PENSIVE RANT ---
You know, I just had to chime in here.

I really, honestly wish that I could be the trusting, wide-eyed, happy-go-lucky man I was when I was 22. Smiling all the time, lending money, time, and resources to whomever needed them from me. Always taking the time to gingerly tell the door-to-door salesman (out of kindness) no thank you. I really was happier.

But, sparing you of the details, in the 24 years since I was 22, I have been bent, broken, taken, fleeced, railroaded, smeared, stepped on, hammered, steamrolled, and jacked around in every conceivable fashion by strangers, friends, and even those closest to me.

When that happens, it changes you. No exceptions.

Now, I still have my friends, and with them I am the life of the party, the go-to guy when they need help, and I offer an endless supply of laughs for those of them that need it.

It is just that I am much more selective of that group of friends now, and even more selective with my trust and respect. I have to be.

The young heart in me still wants to give, give, give -- but that is now tempered by experience.

So, understand if you come to my door and try to sell me something -- if I make the first mistake and open the door, as soon as I detect what you are, the door will close -- no words, no explanation, nothing. You have just wasted a minute of my time. Shame on you.

Same for the phone solicitors. I have no time for them either.

I can't immediately tell who sees me as a target for some financial scam, or just wants to pull one over on me somehow. That is why my cynicism and distrustfulness has steadily increased over the years, providing me with some sort of defense against the scum of humanity.

The BS artists in the UFO community are among that scum. I am VERY interested -- have been most of my life -- in the UFO phenomenon: something I think is very important to humans. Their attempted hijacking of the subject by putting out falsehoods, hoaxes, and the like are a detriment to us all, and they deserve our utmost contempt. My guard goes up immediately when any new information is presented. I think that is healthy.

Does this mean 'they won'? I don't think so. I think that I am better prepared to live in today's world and maintain my finances, sanity, and temperment.

Maybe very sad -- I miss that 22 year old. But, that's just the way it is.

--- END PENSIVE RANT ---

 

[AnnetteMarie]

your reasons are your reasons, but that person on your doorstep is out there trying to make a buck to feed his/her family, the telephone solicitor is, too. the ones who work for f*** all like those door knockers and phone ringers deserve a 'no, thank-you' at the get-go, and if they don't accept that, then go ahead with the closing of the door and the hanging up of the phone.

my personal experience is being angry at people and showing rudeness does not make ME happy. EVERYBODY has a story, what makes mine more important than anyone else's?

I am trying to be the person I want to be, not what I may feel like being at a moment of anger or annoyance or hurt. It is not easy, and does not always happen, but it doesn't keep me from trying. If I ever face great disappointment or betrayal... over and above what I have already experienced, I hope I don't lose sight of who I WANT to be because I am so wrapped up in who I AM.

And please do not take that as a criticism of you, or anyone else, it is just me, and what I think on my better days.

see what happens when I visit this place after midnight? no more late nights for me!

 

[bobheck]

your reasons are your reasons, but that person on your doorstep is out there trying to make a buck to feed his/her family, the telephone solicitor is, too. the ones who work for f*** all like those door knockers and phone ringers deserve a 'no, thank-you' at the get-go, and if they don't accept that, then go ahead with the closing of the door and the hanging up of the phone.

my personal experience is being angry at people and showing rudeness does not make ME happy. EVERYBODY has a story, what makes mine more important than anyone else's?

I am trying to be the person I want to be, not what I may feel like being at a moment of anger or annoyance or hurt. It is not easy, and does not always happen, but it doesn't keep me from trying. If I ever face great disappointment or betrayal... over and above what I have already experienced, I hope I don't lose sight of who I WANT to be because I am so wrapped up in who I AM.

And please do not take that as a criticism of you, or anyone else, it is just me, and what I think on my better days.

see what happens when I visit this place after midnight? no more late nights for me!

They need to 'try to make a buck' in ways that do not invade people's privacy and does not make them intruders. If I want what you are selling, I will find you. Pick a corner, hang a sign on your car, like the people with the roses and flowers do (whom I have bought from).

They do not deserve a 'no-thank you', because I am not going to thank them for disturbing me at home. I deserve to be left alone, that is who deserves something.

Who is being rude? It is the intruder, not the one being intruded upon. I think you have it backwards.

Before you say I have never experienced that -- not true. Many years ago I was an insurance salesman. I always tried to find ways to get people to contact me, without door knocking and cold calling on the telephone. Small ads in local penny savers, classified ads, etc... There are ways.

This is getting to be a crowded world and my home is one place I don't
want an endless barrage of salesmen, both phone and door knocking.

Please don't mix the two -- there are plenty of ways to try to make a buck without intruding upon people in their homes.

Now, charities and kids in school or little league doing fund raisers -- I don't agree with the tactic, but I will never let the kid know that -- all they get frome me is a smile and a sale and a thank you. I do have a giving heart, believe it or not. But I value my privacy very highly.

Just last night, a boy came over with his high school football jersey on and was selling cookie dough because they needed equipment money -- I am diabetic and can't eat the cookies -- didn't matter, I bought them anyway.

Not trying to pick a fight, AnnetteMarie, just trying to clarify.

 

[AnnetteMarie]

me, neither, just stating my opinion and position - or what I try to live up to

wonder if anyone ever thinks about the ramifications of their hoaxes/frauds? see how it spreads all the way down the line, until something as unconnected as a UFO 'joke' affects selling cookies door-to-door? people like that ARE jerks, and that is not deniable.