New Show Topic: Calling all Skeptics & Part-Time Skeptics

[Burnt State]

No Gods, No Aliens, No Us. There is however experience. If our existence is a part of a working 3 dimensional, experiential, time based illusion, how can we know ANYTHING apart from experiences which are falsified prior to waking up tomorrow?

Sounds like you've talking to VALIS or are trying to make an argument for the notion that we're all living in an Ancestor Simulation, or a Dark City paradigm (that's another Philip K. Dick reference but aren't all sci fi stories?), but if that's true and I am programmed then they are doing quite the seamless job. I feel very tied emotionally to my life and others around me and they share in this, no matter the hour. So the projected screen, false reality controlled by VALIS, or whatever gnostic god is pulling the strings, is quite exceptional at controlling thoughts.

Perhaps the contactees make an argument in favour of this notion, but my internal world tells me otherwise. Besides how many different realities does the god universe really need to play voyeur with? Seems like too much effort but then my small mind is only projecting reality for me so what do I know?

However, reality as information, or the physics of information, as Vallée described it, does seem to be be a field we should be investigating, especially since we now live increasingly more and more in a digital reality and it's starting to unfold in very unpredictable manners.

 

[Jeff Davis]

I think you are taking an interesting theoretical argument that has yet to be worked out in detail and somehow deciding that that mean "there is very little certainty." There are two huge problems with that:

1. It's a non-sequitur.
   
2. certainty is not what science offers.

The other problem is that if physics at the extremely microscopic level is really taking place in two dimensions instead of 3 (again, not established fact), that doesn't mean that space and time are illusions. Far from it.

And yet, that is exactly what these scientists are stating. That our three dimensional existence is an illusion based on information projected from a two dimensional surface. Whether we choose to accept this or not is not the issue. It is however precisely what they contend within the videos that we are referring to here.

The very nature of what science offers within this consideration is "uncertainty". Therefore there is logically very little certainty. Our perception of time as well as the rest of the three dimensional universe, and that assuredly encompasses space, are assemblages of two dimensional derived information packets that we decode via our senses. Our existence is an illusion not based on that which does not exist, but rather specific perceptions producing native reality as experienced by our bound existence within a consistent and seamless information based three dimensional construct. This is to state that our perceptions of time and space are uniquely inherent to this construct and that minus our awareness of this three dimensional existence, said existence exists only in and on a two dimensional plane or surface non-locally.

Even within this familiar construct, specific as it is, we do not know what time and space are in any sort of a complete or defined sense. Not in the least. This resounds, at least in my mind, with a great and certain lack of knowing. It is definitively, uncertainty. And as such, we can safely state that science does in fact offer certainty in the form of absolute and undeniable uncertainty. Silly, but thoroughly true. It would seem the falsifiable nature of scientific progress.

 

[Jeff Davis]

Sounds like you've talking to VALIS or are trying to make an argument for the notion that we're all living in an Ancestor Simulation, or a Dark City paradigm (that's another Philip K. Dick reference but aren't all sci fi stories?), but if that's true and I am programmed then they are doing quite the seamless job. I feel very tied emotionally to my life and others around me and they share in this, no matter the hour. So the projected screen, false reality controlled by VALIS, or whatever gnostic god is pulling the strings, is quite exceptional at controlling thoughts.

Perhaps the contactees make an argument in favour of this notion, but my internal world tells me otherwise. Besides how many different realities does the god universe really need to play voyeur with? Seems like too much effort but then my small mind is only projecting reality for me so what do I know?

However, reality as information, or the physics of information, as Vallée described it, does seem to be be a field we should be investigating, especially since we now live increasingly more and more in a digital reality and it's starting to unfold in very unpredictable manners.

I believe the physics of information is what is the notion of the holographic universe. Not to be confused with the matrix or one being programmed. Free will does not have to be absent within such an informational construct. Such a construct doesn't need to be fake, artificial or unreal, it's just specific to quantum gravity & light and the manner in which we decode the construct. It's quite possible that we (human existence) are the capitulated exception in a far larger informational environment than we have the natural ability to decode. Possibly this is what Keel referred to as beings that are "ultra" due to their possible abilities to either directly come and go from as much, or possibly, and more so likely, to build and develop artificial intelligences to remotely do so for them. Perhaps the purely informational realm is synonymous with what might be a spiritual realm. Often referred to by the "spiritual adepts" as the far larger reality apart from the material notions that we hold to so literally. No clue, but truth most often comes n the form of absurd revelations and not so much logically predictable extensions of prior paradigms

This is cool: 'Quantum jitter' to reveal if we live in a hologram - Futurity

 

[manxman]

Jeez, i kinda think we are better off not knowing if we are real, my existence feels real.
Imagine if we did become as smart our creator, and figure'd it all out.

What happens then.

 

[Jeff Davis]

Jeez, i kinda think we are better off not knowing if we are real, my existence feels real.
Imagine if we did become as smart our creator, and figure'd it all out.

What happens then.

And that my friend is a very important point. In fact, it's so mind blowing a point that it calls for a few more sentences. No matter what, or how you break it down, *this* (what they are referring to as an illusion) *is* completely REAL. In fact, that's the point you just eluded to. The 3D experiential trip that we are a part of *is* reality. The reality that we all experience consciously. We are born and we die in it, and we are fully aware, even at a involuntary level, as we experience all the most absolute and critical determining factors possible. This is what is so cool. Because we are seamlessly joined within this big information projector as synchronized uniform material composites, we are the living proof that information proceeds matter. It HAS to.

The coolest thing about the HU theory IMO is that it gives the non-localized quantum displacement uniformity within the macro as well as the micro. More or less turning all the quantum naysayers on their ego's ear. The same ones that contend that quantum principles cannot be stated or held to translate in standards that apply within the "big picture". If we listen closely enough, we can hear Planck jittering in applause, non-locally of course.