Nibiru, 2012, and Need Debunking Help

[cottonzway]

I’m looking for some help in regards to this topic. I have a good friend of mine who I talked to about 9/11 and that got him to looking into this 2012 nonsense. He showed me video about “Nibiru” and how it is going to collide with the earth and blah blah. The reason why I am posting this here is because I know there are a lot of people here who are articulate and can understand things in space much better then I can. He won’t listen to me using common sense and I’m looking for logical reasons to explain to him why this is bunk. I pretty much just want to shut him up. 8) Anyways, here is a video on this stuff.

Please destroy and debunk this in technical terms so I can pass them on. Thanks guys.

 

[Rick Deckard]

Please destroy and debunk this in technical terms so I can pass them on. Thanks guys.

My response is - why bother? Wait until 2013 and say "told you it was bunk". Alternatively, make a plan to dispose of all your wealth between now and 2012. Spend all your assets on a long series of parties and if you get to 2013 and the end of the world hasn't happened, sue the guy who posted the video. It's a win-win situation.

I hope we get the ETI/UFO Disclosure before we get obliterated - I'd still like to have the pleasure of saying "told you so" to all the nay-sayers before we all get snuffed out.

Seriously though, if the end of the world is coming, so be it. I mean, *what exactly* can you do when the sky falls in, put up your umbrella? Would you really want to survive that sort of catastrophe?

 

[cottonzway]

I'm bothering because I want to shut someone up about it. lol

 

[Rick Deckard]

I'm bothering because I want to shut someone up about it. lol

Y'know, it's a curious thing to do this 'debunking' malarkey - I mean, the whole Christian belief system is based on a distortion of pagan rituals and sun worship, but you show the Christians the abundant evidence for this and they want to crucify you for it.

I can't help you with the technical aspects of aspects of your debunking exercise - perhaps a visit to the most Southern observatory on the planet would help to allay his fears. Of course, you could point out that this impending interplanetary-collision isn't being supported anywhere in mainstream science and therefore is nothing to worry about. I have a very low opinion of this sort of tactic, but the pseudo-skeptics do quite well with it, so it must have some merit!

 

[CapnG]

No advanced understanding of astronomy is required, just basic, common sense. If there is a Nibiru, it's not going to suddenly pop-up next to the earth one day, you can't obscure something that large hurtling through the solar system. Nor is it likely to be travelling at speeds too great to register. Plus, since it's trajectory is allegedly inward, it would be getting bigger all the time. In other words, we'd have seen it by now.

Even if it were somehow "invisible" you'd still notice considerable disturbances in the local system due to it's arrival. It's not like balls on a pool table, the planets and moons all have their own masses and specific gravity and there'd be a distinct effect to any one of them it passed near. It'd be kinda hard to miss.

Basically, unless it teleports into orbit, there's no possible way a wayward planet could just "show up" in 2012.

 

[Mogwa]

This Nibiru myth is the handiwork of Zecariah Sitchin. He constantly defines the appearance of that noun in Sumerian Texts as referring to a single planetary body that passes through our solar system roughly every 3600 years, wreaking havoc.
As is usually the case with his claims, Sitchin has gotten it completely wrong. In Sumerian texts Nibiru can have several meanings. These include ferry, ford, and any place of crossing.
It may, with its companion form Neberu, also identify a God, a star, or in at least one known instance, the planet Venus.
Most pre-classical ancient languages were short on synonyms when compared to modern speech, but they sure loved to give words multiple meanings. I suppose this made memorizing various styles of pictographs a whole lot easier when each on had several possible applications. It was up to the reader to define each term by identifying the context in which it was used. Sitchin doesn't just make contextual defining errors, he simply makes up sh*t up as he goes along. He also seems incapable of telling the difference between Aramaic and Hebrew.

 

[cottonzway]

This Nibiru myth is the handiwork of Zecariah Sitchin. He constantly defines the appearance of that noun in Sumerian Texts as referring to a single planetary body that passes through our solar system roughly every 3600 years, wreaking havoc.
As is usually the case with his claims, Sitchin has gotten it completely wrong. In Sumerian texts Nibiru can have several meanings. These include ferry, ford, and any place of crossing.
It may, with its companion form Neberu, also identify a God, a star, or in at least one known instance, the planet Venus.
Most pre-classical ancient languages were short on synonyms when compared to modern speech, but they sure loved to give words multiple meanings. I suppose this made memorizing various styles of pictographs a whole lot easier when each on had several possible applications. It was up to the reader to define each term by identifying the context in which it was used. Sitchin doesn't just make contextual defining errors, he simply makes up sh*t up as he goes along. He also seems incapable of telling the difference between Aramaic and Hebrew.

This is the kind of info I was looking for. Thank you.

 

[George Hayduke]

Well here's the counter, Sitchin was dead on and Mogwa is a bullshit artist. But the good news is Nibiru isn't due back until 2085, according to Sitchin, who wrote a seven book series on the "gods," Nibiru and such. From what I've picked up all the calendars were originally created by these astronauts from Nibiru but were Nibiru-centered, meaning they were created so the astronauts on Earth could figure out what day/time it was on Nibiru, which has a 3600 year orbit. These astronauts first came here for gold and Earth was set up as a colony to mine for gold. So one theory could be that 2012 was the projected date of the end of the gold-procuring mission.

Just tell your friend that Sumerian documents from well before 5-7000 years ago don't tell of catastrophe when Nibiru was in the neighborhood. Nor the time before that. In fact we have to go back roughly 13,000 years, to the Deluge, before we find evidence of a passing of Nibiru that was cataclysmic for Earth as a whole. This is not to say that in 2085 that Nibiru will pass and all will be quiet here.

Also ask your friend to do the math. If we can blame the Deluge on Nibiru, which Sitchin does, and that happened at roughly 11,000 BCE, and we start subtracting 3600 (a rough estimate) then were do we end up? We end up with Nibiru coming back at 3400!

I've seen the Nibiru-2012 connection made and it drives me mad. It's people grasping at straws.

Mogwa, did Sitchin also fudge all the artifacts, all the drawings, all the maps, too? How do you explain the pyramids of Giza, Baalbek, Machu Pichu? You don't. And you can't. Right now there isn't a crane on Earth that can move some of the blocks that were quaried, shaped and hauled across miles to make the Heliopolis. So we're to believe humans built those using rope, leather and their back muscles?

Naw, Nibiru is real and it's headed back and that's part of the reason we're seeing all this jockeying for the spaceports at Mount Sinai, Jerusalem and in Lebanon. Control those space ports to appease the "gods" when they return; that's the agenda. And that earthquake in Peru? Was HAARP being used to destabalize the countries that house the lands of Thoth before the return?

On second thought, Mogwa, just butt out. You work for the Vatican or something. "Oh don't read that, folks, the guy who wrote that was writing pure fiction." Sound familiar, anyone?

And hey, dude, don't work backwards on these things. If you look for material to debunk something, you will find it. I can debunk the theory that you exist. I've got nothing but contempt for "debunkers." Instead, seek to prove something. You may not get what you want but you'll get somewhere.

Hope this helps. (PS, I've read all seven of Sitchin's books; good stuff; he quote quite a bit from the bible and the old testament as well)

 

[Mogwa]

Well here's the counter, Sitchin was dead on and Mogwa is a bullshit artist. But the good news is Nibiru isn't due back until 2085, according to Sitchin, who wrote a seven book series on the "gods," Nibiru and such. From what I've picked up all the calendars were originally created by these astronauts from Nibiru but were Nibiru-centered, meaning they were created so the astronauts on Earth could figure out what day/time it was on Nibiru, which has a 3600 year orbit. These astronauts first came here for gold and Earth was set up as a colony to mine for gold. So one theory could be that 2012 was the projected date of the end of the gold-procuring mission.

Just tell your friend that Sumerian documents from well before 5-7000 years ago don't tell of catastrophe when Nibiru was in the neighborhood. Nor the time before that. In fact we have to go back roughly 13,000 years, to the Deluge, before we find evidence of a passing of Nibiru that was cataclysmic for Earth as a whole. This is not to say that in 2085 that Nibiru will pass and all will be quiet here.

Also ask your friend to do the math. If we can blame the Deluge on Nibiru, which Sitchin does, and that happened at roughly 11,000 BCE, and we start subtracting 3600 (a rough estimate) then were do we end up? We end up with Nibiru coming back at 3400!

I've seen the Nibiru-2012 connection made and it drives me mad. It's people grasping at straws.

Mogwa, did Sitchin also fudge all the artifacts, all the drawings, all the maps, too? How do you explain the pyramids of Giza, Baalbek, Machu Pichu? You don't. And you can't. Right now there isn't a crane on Earth that can move some of the blocks that were quaried, shaped and hauled across miles to make the Heliopolis. So we're to believe humans built those using rope, leather and their back muscles?

Naw, Nibiru is real and it's headed back and that's part of the reason we're seeing all this jockeying for the spaceports at Mount Sinai, Jerusalem and in Lebanon. Control those space ports to appease the "gods" when they return; that's the agenda. And that earthquake in Peru? Was HAARP being used to destabalize the countries that house the lands of Thoth before the return?

On second thought, Mogwa, just butt out. You work for the Vatican or something. "Oh don't read that, folks, the guy who wrote that was writing pure fiction." Sound familiar, anyone?

And hey, dude, don't work backwards on these things. If you look for material to debunk something, you will find it. I can debunk the theory that you exist. I've got nothing but contempt for "debunkers." Instead, seek to prove something. You may not get what you want but you'll get somewhere.

Hope this helps. (PS, I've read all seven of Sitchin's books; good stuff; he quote quite a bit from the bible and the old testament as well)

 

[CapnG]

It's still crap because we'd still have seen it by now. 2012-2085 is nothing in terms of a 3600 year orbit. Not out there, doesn't exist. Nice fairy tale though....

Oh and Mogwa, thanks for expanding my japanese vocabulary by three words, YAY!

Oshiri Kajiri Mushiiiiiiiiiii....

 

[cmbezln]

so in other words, you suck at thinking....but like to hang out with the intellectual crowd.

kudos.


ps... www.google.com

 

[cottonzway]

It's backwards thinking for sure. Some people just don't get it though without some science. He still thinks this thing is going to hit the earth. lol Oh well.

 

[cottonzway]

so in other words, you suck at thinking....but like to hang out with the intellectual crowd.

kudos.


ps... www.google.com

Wow. Is this directed towards me?

 

[Tommy Allison]

I pray sometimes that a big asteroid will hit the proverbial reset button on planet tard.

Then I remember that I actually live here, and unfortunately I don't have a means off this rock that doesn't involve some little gray guy trying to put something in my nose, or my butt.

 

[cottonzway]

We will get the "reset button" one way or the other, Tommy. Either by economic failure, inserection, or a nuke going off. One way or the other.

 

[George Hayduke]

Sitchin says 2085 but I haven't found that prediction in his books. What he could mean is that in 2085 Nibiru will become part of our night sky and it may be a part of our night sky for quite some time. The 3600 year orbit is a rough estimate, he says. Clearly if we go by his calculations, which put the Deluge at roughly 11,000 BCE, then Nibiru won't be "back" until, what, 3400. So the 2085 date, I'm willing to bet, is the year that it will become a part of our night sky.

Here's a couple of linx on this subject:

The Dark Star planet Nibiru hidden in the outer solar system by Andy Lloyd

-and-


Just to buffer my stance, you might recall in Genesis discussion of the Elohim, those "who from heaven came" and who indulged in the pleasures of the flesh vis a vis human women, creating the Nephilim, demigods, half human, half god. This, Genesis reveals, angered god and thus we had the Deluge, the end of flesh. That's as good a starting point as any to trigger your interest in Nibiru and Sitchin.

I haven't watched Mogwa's flick but I'm willing to wager it's an intellectually bankrupt attack ad hominum. And we've all seen that strategy before. If it is, then I humbly request the forum administrators to review his posts and determine if he's here with an agenda to squash meaningful conversation on some of the more important topics that arise in the discussion of the "alien agenda," such as real human history, evolution, and the Mesianic age we're entering. That's my humble request. It's ridiculous that you guys will bring on your show a dude who talks about writing in Akkadian, or Angelic script, and tie the phenomenon of Angels to UFOs and then tolerate it when Mogwa goes around issuing attacks ad hominum to folks who pursue that line of thought, those who dig on Sitchin and such.

Remember, if what Sitchin reports is true it is the greatest secret ever kept from man. If indeed we are the product of a genetic modification regime carried out on Homo erectus by the 'gods,' and the home planet of those gods is on a return path to the inner orbits of the planets of our Solar System, then you can imagine the efforts of the powers that be to stifle talk on this subject, to maintain their vice-like grip on power. The Truths Sitchin uncovered by translating Sumerian texts would lay waste to the authority of the Vatican. Period. End of story. And the Vatican is, what, the third Beast? It goes Rome (or America, which will fall with your astutely forecasted economic "correction") -->Russia -->the Vatican -->the New World King --> rule by the brotherhood of man (after the single-party rule self-destructs due to unchecked inner corruption).

No, dude, the world won't end in 2012. Something will end, that's for sure, just like something ended when the Mayan lunar calendar ended on Aug. 18, 2007. That doesn't mean the untrained eye will be able to tell what exactly ended. But make no mistake, those calendars that close out on 12/22/2012 close out for a reason. Will it be hellfire and death for all? No. But it'll be something.

More importantly to those in the states is the fall of Rome, which is happening right now!

 

[George Hayduke]

Here's another link on Sitchin: The Official Web Site of Zecharia Sitchin

Wow, Mogwa, you really are a troll! I've always been amazed by the sheer emptiness of the arguments lobbed against Sitchin's conclusions. I've hung out on the forums discussing his books and they're damn quiet and the people posting there go by your method of "debunking." They say something like, "Yeah, Sitchin's 2,100-page, seven-book Earth Chronicle series is fiction. Why? Why ask why? It's so because I say it's so." Whatever. Get lost.

Look, for those who are interested, I started reading Sitchin's seven book Earth Chronicle series in May and I'm reading the seventh book, The End of Days, now. So if you have questions I can help. What I can do is tell you what Sitchin says. Consider this an offer of free Cliff Notes on a lengthy, sometimes dry read.

Remember, the future is history! To understand the future you will have to know True history, not what we're institutionalized to believe. I personally feel like I have some insight into what is coming.

 

[Mogwa]

Here's another link on Sitchin: The Official Web Site of Zecharia Sitchin

Wow, Mogwa, you really are a troll! I've always been amazed by the sheer emptiness of the arguments lobbed against Sitchin's conclusions. I've hung out on the forums discussing his books and they're damn quiet and the people posting there go by your method of "debunking." They say something like, "Yeah, Sitchin's 2,100-page, seven-book Earth Chronicle series is fiction. Why? Why ask why? It's so because I say it's so." Whatever. Get lost.

Look, for those who are interested, I started reading Sitchin's seven book Earth Chronicle series in May and I'm reading the seventh book, The End of Days, now. So if you have questions I can help. What I can do is tell you what Sitchin says. Consider this an offer of free Cliff Notes on a lengthy, sometimes dry read.

Remember, the future is history! To understand the future you will have to know True history, not what we're institutionalized to believe. I personally feel like I have some insight into what is coming.

 

[George Hayduke]

You're funny, troll. And so everybody here can clearly see it this is the extent of his "debunking," personal attacks at those who search for the Truth. Worthless.

Here's food for thought:

 

[cmbezln]

so in other words, you suck at thinking....but like to hang out with the intellectual crowd.

kudos.


ps... www.google.com

Wow. Is this directed towards me?

yes, entirely.

who in the hell comes to the conclusion that someone is so blatantly wrong, yet cant form their own argument as to WHY they are wrong? and then comes to an internet message board for "debunking help".

get over yourself.