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Nibiru, 2012, and Need Debunking Help

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Rick Deckard said:
cottonzway said:
I'm bothering because I want to shut someone up about it. lol ;)

Y'know, it's a curious thing to do this 'debunking' malarkey - I mean, the whole Christian belief system is based on a distortion of pagan rituals and sun worship, but you show the Christians the abundant evidence for this and they want to crucify you for it.

Well because just like Zecharia Sitchin and people like him who keep talking about evidence on Nibiru, whilst ignoring mainstream science, the makers of ZEITGEIST (part 1 anyway) have also spread this nonsense about Christinas being from pagan sun worship ! All mainstream and academic sources say it's also nonsense and any Egyptologist will tell yuo the stuff Acharya, Jordan Maxwell, and others who form the basis of the research of ZEITGIEST's part 1, all have all recycled discredited and debunked sources which first appeared at the turn of the century.
It's funny as the same people now proclaiming the ZEITGEIST message also believed in the DaVInci Code nonsense, despite that also being from 'credible research' which was infact a debunked deliberate hoax by a group of French surrealists who caused a few authors in the Uk to write 'Holy Blood, Holy Grail', a matserpiece on false assumtion and making connections were there weren't any, and all due to this hoax ! Then 10 years later, they tried to sue Dan Brown because 'The DaVinci Code' was basically lifting vertually most of the 'research' from the former book. I tell people even now that i knew it was a hoax 10 eyars ago but they insisted Jesus was married and had kids etc, and now they have latched onto the ZEITGEIST nonsense i also knew of ages ago which was debunked, and now the same friends claim Jesus didn't exist but was infact Horus, the Sun, and a myriad of other gods ! I give up !

Next week, who knows, next year some other new age 'experts' who 'know stuff' which nobody else does which has been 'surpressed' for 4000 years will possibly release 'new evidence' that the earth is actually flat.

In anycase jJesus did exist, and there's plenty proof, and pagan religions are not a recycled in Christianity.
It is true that secret mystery schools fearing persecution, such as the Freemasons, did hide behind government and religious institutions to gain power and influence and control events, and so trie dto infiltrate and subvert such organisations which is why many goevernmental and public monuments and buildings and soem religious ones have hidden symbols and pagan gods everywhere and then nearby have a plaque with "in God we trust" to delude or confuse people who didn't know much about all this.
The Masons knew if caught, they would be in trouble, but they have managed to infiltrate all banking, governmental, and legal systems.

In anycase ZEITGEIST has the same false assumptiosn and errors, people like Zecheria Sitchin and the Nibiru clan keep twisting to suit their own agenda.

ZEITGEIST has many false assumtpions and claims, but in researching Egyptology, you find that it says different things that ZEITGEIST claims, and also the same goes for other pagan religions......i mean there's a point in ZEITGEIST where it claism that the cross was used as a symbol for the Christinas because this represents the intersecting lines of the zodiac wheel.....!!!

I guess it didn't occur tot he makers of the documentary that mayeb the reaosn Christinas have a cross is because Jesus was crucified on one, and was actually a Roman execution method !

The irony is, ZEITGEIST has been debunked by many atheists scholars in Egyptology, ancient history and archaeology !
But sadly, the nay sayers, as those who keep on with the Nibiru myth, will stick by their 'evidence'.
It's like Holocaust deniers....they will convince you it never hapepned,a nd falsify assumptions and evidence to make it look like it really never happened !!!! It's all disturbing !

In anycase, if people don't wnat to believe in God or jesus etc, it's so odd they have to take the trouble to falsify and use debunked 'evidence', to appease their consciences. I say, if people don't wish to believe, they don't need to.

In anycase, some in the conspiracy community claim ZEITGEIST is actually a disinformation attempt to discredit 911, and to divert the blame away from the masonically controlled banking and governmental institutions etc, by trying to get all the heat put on Christians which are the 'enemy' of the masons since the higher echelons worship Lucifer and Horus, and practice a form of Gnostic and kabbalistic, occult practices.

In anycase, good day to you all.
 
Jimmy_Jones,

BRAVO!!!!!

I am sick and tired of pseudo intellectuals who spout whatever they hear on late night radio or by some author, without doing any research at all, usually just to justify their own bitterness or lack of coming to terms with spirituality or "the faith of their fathers". For example, yes, Christianity as an institution has many faults and in the USA is particularly part of a nefarious control system that dumbs down the message of Jesus to a rather mundane set of working class "family" values and political outlooks. Yet, the mystical truths that the figure head that the church has turned into a S & M fetish icon remain after 2000 years.

And for the record, I think it is rather tacky for 2 Jews (Dave & Gene) to have a guest like Acharya to belittle the physical reality of Jesus Christ. I respect their heritage and belief systems, and I would expect them to do the same for Christians. If I was interested, for example, in Jew baiting, I could listen to the Jeff Rense podcasts. I just see no relevance in the Paracast about UFOs or the paranormal for a guest whose only claim to fame is to proclaim the non-existence of a historical Jesus. Perhaps I can find an "expert" who can describe what a child molesting old fart Moses was, and how the Old Testament is a total lie. Now THAT'S ENTERTAINMENT! (sarcasm mode off).
 
cottonzway said:
I'm bothering because I want to shut someone up about it. lol ;)

Best method to test anyone's conviction is to put serious money on it. Works every time.

Have your "someone" sign over all his possessions to you with a written contract if Nibiru doesn't come waltzing through in 2012. If it does come and it's the end of the world you could care less about your possessions. Easy money.

This pretty much works for any doomsayers with a date in mind. Suckers and money will be separated.

Hell, just bet your cars and when 2012 comes along your can honk at him while he's hitchhiking.

That'll pretty much shut them up.

It's easy for people to spout crap but big money will usually test someone's true convictions. At least it'll make them do a little more homework.
 
cottonzway said:
I’m looking for some help in regards to this topic. I have a good friend of mine who I talked to about 9/11 and that got him to looking into this 2012 nonsense. He showed me video about “Nibiru” and how it is going to collide with the earth and blah blah. The reason why I am posting this here is because I know there are a lot of people here who are articulate and can understand things in space much better then I can. He won’t listen to me using common sense and I’m looking for logical reasons to explain to him why this is bunk. I pretty much just want to shut him up. 8) Anyways, here is a video on this stuff.


Please destroy and debunk this in technical terms so I can pass them on. Thanks guys.

I can't advance OR debunk all this astral stuff...

BUT, this is a very interesting Video on the possibility of Sol being part of a Binary star system (as in...we have a sister star).

Check it out.
http://www.dailygrail.com/video/the-great-year

~Foo Fighter~
 
cottonzway said:
Ugh, it hurts my eyes and makes baby Jebus cry to read how poorly worded this topic heading is. ;)

The thing about Sitchin is that he's very good at noticing things that others don't... i.e., the idea that there is some cyclic astronomical event that ancient cultures were aware of and watched out for.

That's a good observation.

BUT! Sitchin takes things way to far based on very little.

If the ancients were in fact on the look out for something that affected the Earth it would be MUCH more likely that it would be a comet then some imaginary planet.

http://www.dailygrail.com/video/the-great-year

That's what I thought until I saw the great year video I pasted above. It makes a very good case for a companion star...but does not suggest it's close enough send planets through our solar system.

Cheers,

~Foo Fighter~
 
also Fastwalker have to commend you on the fact that yeah, the hosts should respect, not believe or condone etc. other beliefs, but just respect them enough not to bash.

Good point.
 
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