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NIDS, Utah Revisited

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Frank Salisbury has in his book Utah Ufo Display 2nd Edition. I've interviewed neighbors who knew the previous owners as well who dispute some conclusions Frank came to, mainly that the activity was dormant prior to the Shermans (not true according to neighbors). neighbors claim the previous owners were proud people who tried their best to ignore the odd occurances on their property. Also the neighbors themselves where seeing glowing balls of light and Garcia even saw a massive metallic basketball shaped craft land in his backyard prior to the Shermans owning the property. The key is the Basin is the hotbed of ufo-like activity, the focus is not necessarily the ranch. Also I know law enforcement officals who were working the cattle mutilation cases on and around the ranch prior to the shermans. So yes the locals were filing complaints with local law enforcement, however there was little they could do to stop it other than document.
 
what about the stipulation to the shermans when they bought the ranch that they would have to notify the previous owners if they planned to dig on the ranch. what was that about? Also, could what ever is underground be the key to the activity in this location?
 
I may actually for the first time have seen the "chupa" style craft, I believe even in one of my videos you vaguely see some lights pass in the distance (very unimpressive, but at least i caught it on video). The RV has one bright headlight on the front and a rear red taillight, it makes absolutely no noise and effortlessly and quickly flies through the desert, it is see only for a matter of seconds before the lights wink out.

I have NEVER seen a saucer, Vshaped craft, cigar, or any other nuts and bolts style craft INCLUDING the Chupa which itself was only lights placed in the correct position to resemble a craft. The only very clear sighting I had looked like a football shaped object about the size of a small car that appeared to have orange and red plasma rotating around it.

I have been face to face with "the wolf".Its size was greatly exaggerated in the book as confirmed by subsequent interviews of the witnesses and my own encounter. Several of these orange orbs of light landed, flashed brightly and in a thickblack smoke transformed into the wolf infront of my very eyes, extremely disturbing and exciting. the wolf stood no more than 5 feet away from me, i could have pet it, it appeared docile, but given the odd circumstances , touching the thing was the last thought in mymind.


"Several of these orange orbs of light landed, flashed brightly and in a thickblack smoke transformed into the wolf infront of my very eyes"

How far were you from the orange orbs when they landed, and what was your proximity in relation to the ranch?
 
How far were you from the orange orbs when they landed, and what was your proximity in relation to the ranch?

the orbs first flew over my head no more than 10-15 feet above it, they landed 20 feet away, then the wolf approached from where the orbs had landed to be replaced by a black smoke (blacker than the night around and THICK almost mass containing smoke) which swirled into the shape of the wolf who approached and stood no more than 5 feet away. I cannot answer the other question for understandable reasons ;)
 
he goes into alot more indepth with some Q and A on my website. I find his story compelling, and if true perhaps the best glimpse behind the pheomona.

He had made elaborate preparations for “protection” prior to the trip. Talismans were created and consecrated, tarot cards read and plans for sacred space were formulated. None of that seemed important now. The only talisman he had remembered to bring was a deer tibia inscribed with runic protection spells, he wears it fastened around his neck with a leather strap. Mitch had been ribbing him about it. Rich feels somewhat sheepish, but continues to display it openly. He is superstitious, and cautious. He has personal experience with the unseen. He respects it. They are, after all, camped near the portal to hell.

“Lauren is his perfect match. She has a natural affinity for occult belief and practice, and an equally natural tendency to reduce all observable outcomes of her occult activity to psychological formula and “normal” behavioral explanations. Both are always willing to subject themselves to any process, regardless of the energetic implications.

The companions move, separately, into the darkness. Rich walks several yards toward the roadway, scanning the ground for undisturbed dirt. He stops and draws a circle with a stick, indicates the compass points with symbols, and sketches a sigil of welcome in the center. He stands and faces East, invoking the directions. He opens sacred space and decides, at the last moment, not to contain it in the traditional manner. No bubble. No orb of light. Just a flat, two dimensional doorway. He walks back to camp, the others are already seated around the fire. He is surprisingly calm. He has committed a serious offense in relation to spirit manifestation and he is aware of it.
Request for info from ATS member
 
I think it is a mistake to superimpose supernatural or occult interpretations on whatever is happening at the ranch. If you are going to do that then you by necessity bring a lot of baggage with you.

As far as things underground, I would think that NIDs would have brought in ground penetrating radar and had a seismic survey done. Has anyone heard if that happened and what the results might have been?
 
Did those guys ever get their MRIs that get mentioned in the podcast? I would love to hear these guys on the Paracast.

Here is the meat of it then:
From Re: Request for info from ATS member
« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2011, 04:33:04 PM »

Mitch remembered the blue light appearing just outside, then a tentacle weaving its way under the tent, eventually through the open flap and finding him in his sleeping bag. He described the tentacles reaching into the bags of the other two as well. He remembered screaming, prolonged over twenty or so minutes and observed each of his companions writhe in pain as small, apparently organic, objects were inserted through their nasal cavities. “How can we help you stop screaming?” they seemed to ask him. They explained that this type of interaction was necessary in order to “reset” the human mind and essentially force the human soul outside of the body. They explained that the purpose of the blue light was to cause extreme fear and panic that rapidly facilitates a dissociative or out of body experience. It was necessary, they said, for the symbiot, as well as the human host, to survive the initial insertion. Mitch had interrupted their procedure with him and they were offering an explanation. The other two were not able to stop it. Mitch asked about intention.

“Why are you doing this?”

“We do this to prepare you for what is about to come, to protect the information from complete destruction. You are not exclusive, you are only a few of many designed to carry the message through the events that will shortly come. You will become aware of the information as you evolve, as your genetic makeup is altered by the symbiot we have placed within you. You are agents of chaos. Agents of change.”

“Who or what are you?”

“We are ancient and many, We are Rich, Mitch and Lauren. We assume the title of that which we inhabit for the period of time we interact with it. We are creators of space, dissemblers of organization and makers of dust. We are the completion of that which creates in the great cycle. That is our function. That is our mission. You are agents of this cause by virtue of your compatibility to us in a symbiotic sense. You were drawn to this spot as marbles are drawn together in a low place. Your will is not your own, but determined by a collective consciousness. You are vehicles for our purpose. You are charged with bringing more vehicles to this place for a similar purpose, to be used as we deem fit for our own objectives.”

Rich was shown the planet, gleaming in the blackness of space, intersected at millions of points by two dimensional disks containing three dimensional realities. He observed the inhabitants emerge and begin to dissolve the Earth on a molecular level. The entities were varied and odd in appearance, each assigned an ordered task that was carried out with extreme precision. A voice echoed in his mind.

“You are assigned the task of meme destruction, of introducing a paradigm that will facilitate the disillusion of the current construct in the realm of ideas. You are chaos incarnate. You are makers of dust, as are we.” The voice grew silent and faded.

I dig the tentacled Lovecraftian alien motif and find it much scarier than the ubiquitous "Gray Alien" one we are so often treated to nowadays. The terror of falling into the hands of living cosmic gods who treat you like their possessions and use you like a tool is hard to beat on the "run screaming for the door" meter. That is for sure.

This seems like a unique take on the alien abduction story, but it is the same story. You have altered states of consciousness, foreign objects get inserted, the victim is assured he is "chosen", a "vision" of destruction is shown, a message is imparted that is to be shared by the victim when they are released.

The sentence "You were drawn to this spot as marbles are drawn together in a low place. " kicked me out of my suspended disbelief. It seems odd that beings such as that would reference marbles rather than water or some other fluid. "Marbles" is a human cultural reference.
 
These investigations always lead to disappointment. Just like Marley Woods - all this activity, no actual physical evidence. If there's so much going on, then there should be a lot of evidence. At least an interesting photograph.
 
These investigations always lead to disappointment. Just like Marley Woods - all this activity, no actual physical evidence. If there's so much going on, then there should be a lot of evidence. At least an interesting photograph.

there is plenty of physical evidence tha thas been gathered over the years, the problem is it is deep with NIDS/BAAS vaults in Vegas NV. they have collected strange fuel rods left behind after a cattle mutilation, and have other empiracal evidence stored there. I myself have ZERO phsyical evidence to backup my stories, but do have plenty of photos and videos to help support my experiences. Again the NIDS/BAAS team has videos that the public will never see. I think people forget they work hand in glove with the goverment on this. According to insiders i've interviewed, that is who pays their pay checks, NOT Bigelow.
 
there is plenty of physical evidence tha thas been gathered over the years, the problem is it is deep with NIDS/BAAS vaults in Vegas NV.


I think it is safe to say that Bigelow doesn't feel compelled to share anything he has bought and paid for with the curious for nothing. That probably goes double for anything inconclusive or so strange it sounds insane.
 
I think it is safe to say that Bigelow doesn't feel compelled to share anything he has bought and paid for with the curious for nothing. That probably goes double for anything inconclusive or so strange it sounds insane.

you are correct sir, we have two problems in relation to why evidence has not surfaced from NIDS. 1. Bigelow Aerospace is a business, and anything recovered from the ranch would be to the benefit of the Aerospace company and give it a superior advantage over compeditors, why would they feel compelled to give away such valuable secrets to the public for free? 2. the goverment has a contract with Bigelow and comanages/researches the propery and has vested interest in the research. From a military perspective, the knowledge learned there would give our foreign enemies an equal footing should we simply share what is known with the public. Thus for both reasons, the evidence will likely remain behind sealed vaults for some time. However I woudl gamble Bigelow will somewhat spill the beans every now and then to the public...
 
I have to believe though Ryan, that if the government thought there was some sort of incursion from another dimension or something they would do more than they have to isolate and investigate the area. It seems to me that there would be some serious military hardware and people coming and going out of the area. Apparently people can still gain access to the ranch itself and film it from surrounding property which tells me they aren't that serious about area denial.
 
Did those guys ever get their MRIs that get mentioned in the podcast? I would love to hear these guys on the Paracast.

Here is the meat of it then:
From Re: Request for info from ATS member
« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2011, 04:33:04 PM »



I dig the tentacled Lovecraftian alien motif and find it much scarier than the ubiquitous "Gray Alien" one we are so often treated to nowadays. The terror of falling into the hands of living cosmic gods who treat you like their possessions and use you like a tool is hard to beat on the "run screaming for the door" meter. That is for sure.

This seems like a unique take on the alien abduction story, but it is the same story. You have altered states of consciousness, foreign objects get inserted, the victim is assured he is "chosen", a "vision" of destruction is shown, a message is imparted that is to be shared by the victim when they are released.

The sentence "You were drawn to this spot as marbles are drawn together in a low place. " kicked me out of my suspended disbelief. It seems odd that beings such as that would reference marbles rather than water or some other fluid. "Marbles" is a human cultural reference.

It kind of makes sense when you consider the totality of what they said, ie "We are ancient and many, We are Rich, Mitch and Lauren. We assume the title of that which we inhabit for the period of time we interact with it." Perhaps they took a human cultural reference from their subjects mind and used it because it would be easy for them to understand? Not saying that I'm buying this hook, line and sinker, just that it doesn't really cause that big of a problem once you consider the whole statement. For me, they sound a lot like the Architect at the end of Matrix Reloaded in the way they use language. You're definitely right about it being different from a typical alien abduction account, but more of the same once you boil it all down. Interesting tale, regardless, and I'd love to hear more.
 
there is plenty of physical evidence tha thas been gathered over the years, the problem is it is deep with NIDS/BAAS vaults in Vegas NV. they have collected strange fuel rods left behind after a cattle mutilation, and have other empiracal evidence stored there. I myself have ZERO phsyical evidence to backup my stories, but do have plenty of photos and videos to help support my experiences. Again the NIDS/BAAS team has videos that the public will never see. I think people forget they work hand in glove with the goverment on this. According to insiders i've interviewed, that is who pays their pay checks, NOT Bigelow.

Ryan, those fuel rods which were alledgedly element 151, ended up being burnt out rods used in illumination, according to John Alexander in his last interview here on the Paracast.
 
NOT true according to Junior Hicks. Not even remotely true. Also keep in mind Alexander is a paid team member of NIDS, BAASS, and Bigelow... they actually stole the rods from Hicks and never returned them which caused the current rift between Hicks and Bigelow.
 
NOT true according to Junior Hicks. Not even remotely true. Also keep in mind Alexander is a paid team member of NIDS, BAASS, and Bigelow... they actually stole the rods from Hicks and never returned them which caused the current rift between Hicks and Bigelow.
stold is not the correct term Hicks loaned the rods to NIDS who promised to have their scientists study and return them. Rather than return them they kept the rods and refused all Juniors requests for their return. They also banned him from the property shortly after
 
keep in mind i'm not buying the whole element 151 thing at all, junior told me a sceintist from area 51 contacted him and told him thats what the rods where made of... he told me this with a straight face, i honestly dont know what to think regarding that one statement by Junior, or who is playing him and why...
 
he told me alot more details however that were interesting regarding what the rods were capable of when he tested them in his workshop.... amazing if true
 
i agr
I have to believe though Ryan, that if the government thought there was some sort of incursion from another dimension or something they would do more than they have to isolate and investigate the area. It seems to me that there would be some serious military hardware and people coming and going out of the area. Apparently people can still gain access to the ranch itself and film it from surrounding property which tells me they aren't that serious about area denial.
i agree with you, i would think if we have wormholes opening up for aliens to pass through or a geniune portal to hell popping up that it would peak the goverments interest more than it has been demonstrated above ground. the answer could be the real guts to the goverements involvement may be BELOW the ground at the ranch. From what i know top side, only a few meager experiments are run, there is security but not to the level one would expect with entities roaming around...
 
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