Obama Birth Certificate

[Angel of Ioren]

I'm not obessed with the damn birth certificate. I'm an American and I'm upset that idiots want to make a setting president immune from any critiscm by using the race card. I'm upset with Chris Matthews who was once a very good journalist. With some of the talking heads I've seen lumping all critical comments about this prez with racism. I'm upset because every time I or anybody else points out facts (see my above points in all my post on this subject) somebody wants to keep harping on the birth certificate as if that were the only critism that anybody ever leveled against Obama. As for the birth certificate I and many other folks critical of the prez have never had much interest in it. But, I promise you this. If Clinton had of had any question at all about birth certificates it would have been obssessed on by the right wing. There was a dress with a stain and a whole lot of other stuff. Matter of fact if they had done to Obama what they did to Clinton the left would really be howling racism. The fact I'm trying to get across is most of us on either side are just damn tired of the myth of the racist redneck white man and the gentile wonderful black victim. ENOUGH! We are all human and there are good folks among all of us of all colors. But, I'm out of here because after all left wing nuts are like right wing nuts. They are self rightous and hypocritical. But, and I've said it before. If you or a loved one have not spilled blood and worn the uniform of THIS nation then ya need to shut the fuck up! If you have then I yield the floor. PERIOD!

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And yes I have worn the uniform but I try not to say anything else about it. I wasn't in a war and I didn't consider my service to have been any kind of sacrafice compared to that. But, I do apologise for the harsness of my above rant. It's still true though.

I'm not American, but I can criticize the MORONS that think that Obama was not born in the United States just because he isn't a WASP - that's it! I am not talking about criticizing him on actual political issues - that's not racist, that's politics. It's the silliness about his birth certificate - that's all.
And lets face it, even though I'm not American, everything that goes on in the USA affects me in one way or another. So if an idiot like Michelle Bachman is elected, it will have an effect on my country - hell, she might even think we're socialist monsters.

 

[pixelsmith]

I 100% agree with you on this one. In the end, I think its some basic ignorance with some cultural racism mixed in that propelled this topic forward. A black man with a Muslim name and all the ignorant Americans just can't believe he could be president. "Theres no way he was born here! He is a manchurian candidate!"

Its even more extreme paranoia then when JFK was elected..."The Pope is going to control the government!"


And yes, I'm American. Happy 4th!

He is just as much white as he is black.

 

[tyder001]

I'm not American, but I can criticize the MORONS that think that Obama was not born in the United States just because he isn't a WASP - that's it!

Lol. I understand but I can also give your opinion about as much merit as Phil Klass would give Stanton Friedman. And I do in this case. Also, as a WASP I get kind of tired of the open season. Sheesh! When are all people gonna take responsibility for themselves on this freakin planet? It's the white mans fault that I'm poor. It's the Americans fault that we love dictators. It's the Canadians fault that there is socialized medicine. It's the hispanics fault that drugs are rampant. It's the blacks fault that "fill in the blank" fall through the hole in the system. Sometime it's just your own damn fault or the way it which you react to something. I honestly did support Obama. I honestly am disappointed in him. But, I was listening to an actress/comedian who's work I have enjoyed from time to time. But, she spewed some dribble the other day about how "Everybody in the Repulican party was a damn racist." Now, I'm not in that or any other particular party. But, I am tired of the junk and the constant running to race and sexism everytime your losing an argument. However, all in all see Genes last post on this. I think he's (in this particular case) right. For the most part. This time. Right now.

 

[Angel of Ioren]

I'm not American, but I can criticize the MORONS that think that Obama was not born in the United States just because he isn't a WASP - that's it!

Lol. I understand but I can also give your opinion about as much merit as Phil Klass would give Stanton Friedman. And I do in this case. Also, as a WASP I get kind of tired of the open season. Sheesh! When are all people gonna take responsibility for themselves on this freakin planet? It's the white mans fault that I'm poor. It's the Americans fault that we love dictators. It's the Canadians fault that there is socialized medicine. It's the hispanics fault that drugs are rampant. It's the blacks fault that "fill in the blank" fall through the hole in the system. Sometime it's just your own damn fault or the way it which you react to something. I honestly did support Obama. I honestly am disappointed in him. But, I was listening to an actress/comedian who's work I have enjoyed from time to time. But, she spewed some dribble the other day about how "Everybody in the Repulican party was a damn racist." Now, I'm not in that or any other particular party. But, I am tired of the junk and the constant running to race and sexism everytime your losing an argument. However, all in all see Genes last post on this. I think he's (in this particular case) right. For the most part. This time. Right now.

I'll repeat it again. I am only talking about the birth certificate issue. Are we clear about that?
Also, WTF is the problem with socialized health care? The reluctance to start that in the USA is baffling to the rest of the world.

 

[tyder001]

Don't speak to me in that tone. Although I think I spoke to you in that tone. But that's different. As far as socialized medicine goes I'm more on the Canadian side of things with that one. I was giving examples not an opinion on it. That time. Right then. Right now.

 

[Terjarv]

Well, this has gone into silly land. I say again that the race card is played way to much in this nation. I understand that there are people who hate Obama because he is black or half black. I also understand that there are people who love Obama because he is black or half black. However, it does seem to this "left" leaning but not so far that my brains fall out person. That there is a real tendency to cry racism among "some" liberals everytime anybody opens their mouth to criticize this president. I'm sorry ladies and germs but this is the most powerful office in the western world, maybe in the whole world. So, I'm not giving him/her a free pass once elected. I know one or two folks who don't like Obama but guess what? They didn't like Clinton either. I also gave (which was ahem, ignored or missed?) Lets say missed. anyway, examples of other presidents including one that was a production of "w" getting assasanated. But, nobody defending Obama seemed to errr, "notice" it. Also, would some would some people who defend Obama really give a shit if his father (read sperm donor) wasn't Kenyan? I think not. Nuff said. See? anybody can play that silly game. I absolutely despised bush, rumsfield, cheney and the rest of that war mongering bunch. But, nobody seemed to ever call me or anybody else closed minded or racist for it. So, I'm gonna let it go because I'm sure there are so many "Open minded" folks on here that now consider me to be close minded. But, I will continue to roll my eyes when you bring out the silly little racist card and I will quote from one of my favorite movies. (bad paraphrase follows because it's been a long time since I saw it.) To all the people yelling racist and getting a thrill up their leg I say: I fart in your general direction.

Yea...I'm specifically talking about the birth certificate and it ABSOLUTELY has to due with the simple fact that he is black and has a Muslim name. Name one other president who has had his D.O.B and birthplace questioned...

Also, I am not using the "race card" as an excuse for Obama directed criticisms...he hasn't had a stellar first term thus far. However, on the specific "birther" issue it is undeniable that his name and race are the sole reason it has been questioned. If you don't think so, then give me a couple examples that make sense as to why his D.O.B. and birthplace have been questioned but other Presidents' have not.

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He is just as much white as he is black.

Technically you're right, but most Americans seem to view him as black.

 

[tyder001]

Well for one thing he didn't produce it very early on. Also, it's still not as clear as my birth certificate. Also, a familiy member in Kenya said he was born there. But, as to where he was born I'm on your side. I do believe he was born in the U.S.A. I also believe that even if he were not you would open up a can of chaos if he were removed. Race? Well, I saw a lot of folks go after Clinton. Look, All I'm saying is that we are a very divided nation right now and cons and libs tend to attack wherever they find a weak spot. I've also encoutered much racism in people who were not white. Also, please tell me this. If you think the birthers are racist for going after him for being Kenyan. Tell me what is Chris Mathews? I always liked Chris. But that damn "Thrill" up his leg wasn't because he was attracted to Michelle. It was because Obama was half black. Is that a form of self hate racism? I don't know. I am going to stop because quite frankly all this racist back and forth is making me sick. I didn't mean you or Angel or anybody else was talking about anything other than the birth certificate. I just believe that to blame it "ALL" on race is rather silly. But, I'll hush now and I'm glad that the far left or the far right don't have the power to censor people. Cause I have seen some hypocracy on the left believe me. I always knew the right had them but damn the so called progressives are not very progressive. (imo)

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As to his name and color? Yeah there are folks with real problems with that. I hate that because a person should be judged on their own merits. But, at the same time I will say this. Google the Howard Stern youtube spot from early in the campaign. Howard went to black voters and expressed Mccains views and told them they were Obama's views. It's incredible and a little scary how many agreed with them once they were told they were Obama's views. So, color mattered but not just to a bunch of billybob white racist. It also seems to have mattered to a bunch of black folks also. We will know we have grown up when we can have a black president. Then disagree with the president and NOBODY mentions race in the rebuttal. But, we have a loooonnnggggg way to go.

 

[Terjarv]

Also, a familiy member in Kenya said he was born there.

That was a mistranslation initially, it was later debunked. As for the birth certificate not being clear, I think it was absolutely insane to even release the damn thing, gives too much credit to the Donald and all the other "birthers".

 

[ALPHA ROMEO UNIFORM]

That was a mistranslation initially, it was later debunked. As for the birth certificate not being clear, I think it was absolutely insane to even release the damn thing, gives too much credit to the Donald and all the other "birthers".

Agree only adds fire to the conspiracy folks

 

[pickles]

The bigger problem isn't where he was born; rather where his ideas about the world were born. That is, in the revolutionary, anti-colonial era in Africa. That explains the idea that the US should worry about the rest of the world before itself, and the alienation of our oldest allies, most of which were European colonial powers.

We could go on forever about this failed President. His eligibility to me has more to do with his utter lack of qualifications than birthplace. The former is proven everyday, even if the latter never is.

 

[Angel of Ioren]

The bigger problem isn't where he was born; rather where his ideas about the world were born. That is, in the revolutionary, anti-colonial era in Africa. That explains the idea that the US should worry about the rest of the world before itself, and the alienation of our oldest allies, most of which were European colonial powers.

We could go on forever about this failed President. His eligibility to me has more to do with his utter lack of qualifications than birthplace. The former is proven everyday, even if the latter never is.

Doesn't that describe pretty much every other president? Can you name a president that didn't get involved in other countries?

 

[Kieran]

I'll repeat it again. I am only talking about the birth certificate issue. Are we clear about that?
Also, WTF is the problem with socialized health care? The reluctance to start that in the USA is baffling to the rest of the world.

I don't understand it either we have socialised health care here in Ireland and it works great for the majority of the population. I could never move to states to live because as I see it the standard of living across the ocean is much poorer than were I live now.

 

[dyingsun]

Kieran, I couldn't/don't want to live without a publicly (through taxes, of course) available health care system either. When it is more frightening to think about the bill you might get then getting patched up at a Hospital..something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

 

[tyder001]

I would have liked to have seen a more bi partisan approach to this. My problem is when one party rams through a bill, then the other party gets into power and starts cutting the crap out of it. I think we could have expanded Medicaid and Medicare to take care of the gaps and holes in the net. However, that would not have allowed political grandstanding and pouding of chest. Also, again I would love to see the European or Canadian model of health care here. But, the U.S. is a different animal althogether and you have to take baby steps. But, nowhere in my statement or post did I say I didin't believe we need health care for all citizens. I simply am trying to be realistic and again there are ways to do it. Our existing programs with some tweaking could handle it. Anyway, this is about the birth certificate and I'm done with that. I just don't like (even on an internet forum) to have my words taken out of context. I went to M.I.T. ya know! Serioulsy, it's in Rome just over the Alabama state line. "Mitch's International Tractor" in Rome Georgia.

Shhh, don't tell Lance. I made that last part up.

 

[pixelsmith]

I would have liked to have seen a more bi partisan approach to this. My problem is when one party rams through a bill, then the other party gets into power and starts cutting the crap out of it. I think we could have expanded Medicaid and Medicare to take care of the gaps and holes in the net. However, that would not have allowed political grandstanding and pouding of chest. Also, again I would love to see the European or Canadian model of health care here. But, the U.S. is a different animal althogether and you have to take baby steps. But, nowhere in my statement or post did I say I didin't believe we need health care for all citizens. I simply am trying to be realistic and again there are ways to do it. Our existing programs with some tweaking could handle it. Anyway, this is about the birth certificate and I'm done with that. I just don't like (even on an internet forum) to have my words taken out of context. I went to M.I.T. ya know! Serioulsy, it's in Rome just over the Alabama state line. "Mitch's International Tractor" in Rome Georgia.

Shhh, don't tell Lance. I made that last part up.

screw bi partisan. there is NO difference between the two parties. it is a scam to keep us fighting with each other while they loot the crap out of us. the divide and conquer tactic has worked for thousands of years.

 

[tyder001]

I agree Pixle. But, the thing I was getting at is the gigantic waste of dollars that one group pushing costs the American taxpayer. We have enough in place to deal with the holes in the net. However, our politicans of all stripes need something else to alienate people and pound their chests over. But, yeah put em all in a bag. Shake em up and they will all fall out together.

 

[pixelsmith]

I agree Pixle. But, the thing I was getting at is the gigantic waste of dollars that one group pushing costs the American taxpayer. We have enough in place to deal with the holes in the net. However, our politicans of all stripes need something else to alienate people and pound their chests over. But, yeah put em all in a bag. Shake em up and they will all fall out together.

it is the economic dismantling of the USA. it has been in the works since 1913.

 

[Angel of Ioren]

it is the economic dismantling of the USA. it has been in the works since 1913.

It's part of the NWO plan, right?

 

[pixelsmith]

It's part of the NWO plan, right?

yes, and unless you are retarded, you will see the plan is working all over the world.

 

[Angel of Ioren]

yes, and unless you are retarded, you will see the plan is working all over the world.

We're doing quite well here in Canada. I'm not sure what the problem is.