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Peter Davenport

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I second the question: what did Sandanfire ask Travis Walton that got him ticked off?

I'm working on my own UFO hypothesis which in sum amounts to this. The ETs or visitors or fairies are a spiritual form of Anonymous hackers working in hivemind to undermine human rationality in a guerilla war of hit-and-run attacks on our sensibilities. They are not extremely clever, but make up for that in numbers. Currently they masquerade as ET, an on-line identity or set of avatars for which they have invested tremendous resources. They count their success in terms of infiltration, especially of circles of the wealthy, government and public policy. One policy originating from their infiltration is the irrationality of the new religion of global warming. The point is not to gradually change Earth's atmosphere into a more ET-friendly combination of gases, but merely to screw with people. They were behind Puharich's channelling of The Nine and his circle of rich people. Another victory or two came with the best-intentioned but nonetheless pseudo-science of Carl Sagan, regarding Nuclear Winter, and the Blake equation. Their tactic is the inculcation of pseudo-science for their own fun and profit, often posing as Space Brothers come to help us poor earthlings out of our conundra. While they mirror the irrationality of Freud's id, I believe they have an external, empircal existence, if mainly an ephemeral one. So Gene is correct, according to my theory: they are basically kid aliens at summer camp.

I have pictures, films really, of "lights in the sky," the orange-red fireballs Davenport has been talking about all year. They aren't particularly great film clips, but I'm loathe to send them to MUFON and don't see why NUFORC is any better. Davenport seems sincere to me, but I don't see much going on beyond the warehousing of reports, and him filing away in memory the facts and his tentative recognition of patterns in the data, which is a perfectly legitimate activity, in my opinion. I don't think his missile silo has anything to do with his not having time to implement a ratings system, apples and oranges. As I recall he moved into the silo something like ten years ago, and I remember him talking to Art Bell about it on air. Isn't it in Bellevue east of Seattle? I'm sure he's overwhelmed just dealing with all the sightings reports he receives every day. He said "thousands" but I think he omitted to say "per month."
 
They don't launch missiles from Bellevue.

But WIndows 8 definitely bombed! How do you explain that??? Redmond, OK, not Bellevue. Actually wikipedia says NUFORC is located in Davenport, Washington, all the way east over by Spokane. Weird.
 
I sure hope we get updates on this alleged video. Whether or not we see it in a timely manner is the single biggest statement about Devenport's character and his intentions in the UFO field that we can get.
 
I'm working on my own UFO hypothesis which in sum amounts to this. The ETs or visitors or fairies are a spiritual form of Anonymous hackers working in hivemind to undermine human rationality in a guerilla war of hit-and-run attacks on our sensibilities. They are not extremely clever, but make up for that in numbers. Currently they masquerade as ET, an on-line identity or set of avatars for which they have invested tremendous resources. They count their success in terms of infiltration, especially of circles of the wealthy, government and public policy.

I'd be skeptical about that as a reality, but it makes one cool plot line for a sci-fi film. I think you should elaborate on it with characters and the whole bit. I'd go see it for sure :) !
 
Guess what ... my prediction about Walton avoiding coming on until he's confident he'll get an easy ride has come true ( in a way ). He's already appeared on TPoM's new radio show. Funny how he suddenly could make time for them instead. Their reputation for avoiding the harder questions couldn't possibly be a factor ... or could it?

BTW what was it you were asking him?

I was going to ask him if he's talked to any other abductees and, if he found their stories credible, compared notes with them about their abductors and other specifics of their experiences to find out if there were any similarities. That was my question, to see if there were comparison's of notes. Unfortunately when I made the comment about "...and if you found them credible...." he cut me off. He butted in and said that it wasn't his job to determine if someone else's story was credible or not. I think he sensed the skeptical tone in my question and voice. I never got an answer because I never really got to ask it.

I talked to our tour guide about the experience the next day and he said that Travis is really sick and tired of being questioned and grilled by skeptics. I guess he's gone some serious rounds with Phil Klass in his time, and others like him, and so is tired of having to answer the 'hard questions' he just doesn't put up with them any more. I suppose, considering it's been nearly 37 years he's tired of having to justify his claims to people. I can understand that, really. I mean about every five years he probably gets someone who's going to "figure it all out", or "get to the bottom of " what he experienced. With all that, I can understand why he would gravitate toward the low-hanging fruit-shows where he doesn't really have to justify the words he's saying. It may be that he's done that enough in the past, he simply doesn't want to do it any more.

Just my thoughts. I'm rambling now. I do wish he'd let me ask the question, but I take a little pride in the fact that I pissed off Travis Walton. LOL.

J.
 
Well, saying Travis Walton was the most credible leaves the Hills on the back burner, I suppose.

Yeah, I'm not sure I'd go that far. I think Travis is sincere, and believe 'some'thing happened to him that night, but a UFO rescue mission? I think it's like Roswell...we'll never really know what happened. Believe his story or not. It's compelling, but "most credible" is a little out there, in my opinion.

My 2 pennies.

J.
 
Someone should press Davenport on the point about the video. He said that he turned Bigelow down because of Bigelow's insistence that 'the good cases not be made public' - jeez, the sentiment makes me seething mad. No-one should think that UFO data is only for certain eyes. I don't see UFO's only appearing in front of Bigelow's 'chosen' so why should video recordings and other data only be available to them? Bigelow could be a great guy for Ufology but he chooses not to be.

Vallee often talks about wanting to investigate really strong cases that have not been widely discussed or chewed to pieces. Like Sherlock Holmes it's perhaps both about ego and unique individual capacity. More can be accomplished out of that individual, unique case that has not had a herd of cattle trample over all the footprints as Holmes often complained to Lestrade about. I don't know what value there has been over the years for cases like Roswell, the Hills, Bentwaters and Walton to be raked and re-raked over the coals until everything is burnt out and no longer resembles anything of original value.

Getting good science, imagination and critical thinking onto a 'multiple witness, radar, trace evidence' case right away has more value. This could be peer reviewed and encourage more mainstream science and less laughter curtains in the long run. Instead of the constant speculation and ridicule that exists right now, a better, more serious path could have been charted. I don't know if the citizen's hearing helps when it also makes wild unfounded claims not rooted in serious science. Having strong scientists in it and being paid for by citizens' tax dollars is the way to go. Since the gov't deleted the public face of that blue book long ago it seems that there may indeed be something going on that is better for our own good to not know about, or that the power controllers know diddly squat, just like everyone else.

Thanks ufology for that great summary.

I too was greatly confused by Davenport's selection of Walton, and the failed video links left to collect digital dust reminded me too much of Ted Philips and Stanford etc. "I have great evidence that no one else is able to see," is getting to be a tired refrain that only provides vain hope for those that want to believe.

I was most intrigued by the pilot story, and maybe those are the types of things, along with the citizens' radar concept, that real energy should be put into, instead of the mixed messages presented to paid senators. It's all just reduced to entertainment and media fodder at that point.

This interview was still one of the more interesting and engaging in a long time. All three voices involved probed a similar space and did so with great interest and a strong flow. I could have easily listened to two more hours of deeper discussion into points raised.
 
"I have great evidence that no one else is able to see," is getting to be a tired refrain that only provides vain hope for those that want to believe.
And I'm getting tired of saying Ray's analysis of his visual and instrumented data is available for anyone w/ a basic understanding of science who is serious and wants to take the time to go and see it. It is the REAL deal (I just spent 14 15 hours getting an update while in the DC area. He is convinced that there are visual clues in ALL real AAO/UAP/UFO films and photos that feature multiple "ghost" images and other indications that the pilots are utilizing some kind of time compression technology. He showed me example after example of exact types of various craft that show up in dozens of frames-some here and then gone within 1/50th of a second.
 
"...He is convinced that there are visual clues in ALL real AAO/UAP/UFO films and photos that feature multiple "ghost" images and other indications that the pilots are utilizing some kind of time compression technology. He showed me example after example of exact types of various craft that show up in dozens of frames-some here and then gone within 1/50th of a second.

That is an intriguing idea but as far as time compression technooigy i wonder if that which we define as time and gravity are linked then perhaps time compression technology is due to some antigravity technology. Mastery over one would be mastery over the other.?
 
And I'm getting tired of saying Ray's analysis of his visual and instrumented data is available for anyone w/ a basic understanding of science who is serious and wants to take the time to go and see it. ...
When we first heard about this, I got the impression you had seen the films, later you corrected that to having seen only stills, correct?

So, what have you really seen, and how much depends on what he says? Yes, you posted an image of his with a red fireball of some kind with some measurements. But that fireball could be a closeup of a firecracker or Chinese lamp for all I know. These new stills, what do they actually show, and are the images themselves of a clarity/quality where you make out any shape or detail?
 
And I'm getting tired of saying Ray's analysis of his visual and instrumented data is available for anyone w/ a basic understanding of science who is serious and wants to take the time to go and see it. It is the REAL deal (I just spent 14 15 hours getting an update while in the DC area. He is convinced that there are visual clues in ALL real AAO/UAP/UFO films and photos that feature multiple "ghost" images and other indications that the pilots are utilizing some kind of time compression technology. He showed me example after example of exact types of various craft that show up in dozens of frames-some here and then gone within 1/50th of a second.
I have a basic understanding of science, am serious, and want to take the time to see his analysis. Can you please point me in the right direction?
 
That is an intriguing idea but as far as time compression technooigy i wonder if that which we define as time and gravity are linked then perhaps time compression technology is due to some antigravity technology. Mastery over one would be mastery over the other.?

The two have a relationship that works in real time, but "mastery" as in backwards time travel and sci-fi like plots are not logically possible ... no matter what these theoreticians say.
 
I have a basic understanding of science, am serious, and want to take the time to see his analysis. Can you please point me in the right direction?
Sure, I'll send you in Ray's direction, but I feel a responsibility to at least partially qualify or vet interested parties, such as yourself. Since you are a brand new "anonymous" member of our forum, please at least introduce yourself and catch me up to speed on your interest, background and motivations for wanting an introduction. As you can imagine, Ray is a very busy guy on a mission of scientific discovery and I cannot and will not waste his time. I'm sure you can understand... I've sent you a private Paracast VM, pls respond...
 
The two have a relationship that works in real time, but "mastery" as in backwards time travel and sci-fi like plots are not logically possible ... no matter what these theoreticians say.
I never said anything about "backwards time travel and sci-fi plots." What Ray seems to have discovered is the apparent ability of these craft to cover amazing distances and maneuvers in less than the blink of an eye. "Time-compression" is only a term, but in theory, evidence of this apparent technology (that Ray's analysis has captured—with numerous examples) may now have been ID'd.
 
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