Philip J. Imbrogno withdrawing from paranormal research!

[tyder001]

Let's ask him to "produce" the Degree. If the prez can produce his Birth certificate then surely Dr. Phil can produce his degree. If this happens some of y'all got a lot of splainin to do. Of course if he doesn't then I guess another one bites the dust.

 

[dr.abbadon]

I've noticed that the sceptics on here...start frothing at the mouth like rabid dogs ready to do a "CUJO" on anyone and everything that they can explain away. I happen to be a sceptic who would like the proof of the unknown, however sometimes science can't explain everything, how arrogant of us to believe we know everything there is out there in the universe, we're like fish in a pond looking out at the sky and thinking surely there is nothing else to see or do because we can't see beyond our little existence. It's easy to focus on the prosaic aspects of an argument and focus on the things you can easily explain or explain away.

I don't know what the forum etiquette is on the paracast forum can I substitute letters of profane words??? anyway here I go, I apologise if I have offended anyone in advance.......

I heard a saying recently...

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Anyone of us can be a keyboard warrior, until we get out there and experience what these people have...well????

 

[Ron Collins]

Let's ask him to "produce" the Degree. If the prez can produce his Birth certificate then surely Dr. Phil can produce his degree. If this happens some of y'all got a lot of splainin to do. Of course if he doesn't then I guess another one bites the dust.

If he does then MIT and Boston College got some 'splannin to do.

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I've noticed that the sceptics on here...start frothing at the mouth like rabid dogs ready to do a "CUJO" on anyone and everything that they can explain away. I happen to be a sceptic who would likes the proof, however sometimes science can't explain everything, how arrogant of us to believe we know everything there is out there in the universe, we're like fish in a pond looking out at the sky and thinking surely there is nothing else to see or do because we can't see beyond our little existence. It's easy to focus on the prosaic aspects of an argument and focus on the things you can easily explain or explain away.

I don't know what the forum etiquette is on the paracast forum can I substitute letters of profane words??? anyway here I go, I apologise if I have offended anyone in advance.......

I heard a saying recently...

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Anyone of us can be a keyboard warrior, until we get out there and experience what these people have...well????

The issue is that he probably lied and did so for years. Bold faced. In front of audiences, on podcasts and radio shows, and to T.V. producers. He did so to make himself more authoritative. So why should I believe that when it came to accurately reporting or conducting research he suddenly found and adhered to high moral and ethical standards? Why should I believe that he didn't embellish, overstate, or outright make up some of his "research". Can you discern which bits are true and which bits are false? If so, please share the algorithm.

It sounds like you want to "believe" much of what Imbrogno has stated in his research. Fine thats is a personal choice. Believe away. Personally, I think that when a man is caught in an epic series of lies perpetuated by himself for years or decades it indicates that this person is untrustworthy. Don't make this about "skeptics" going on a "witch Hunt" for good 'ol Phil. All he has to do is take that diploma off the wall, scan or photocopy it and make it available. Let MIT, Boston College, or the University of Texas do the verification. That is all. It ain't that hard. The "story" could have died right there. But it doesn't look like that is going to happen.

 

[exo_doc]

I've noticed that the sceptics on here...start frothing at the mouth like rabid dogs ready to do a "CUJO" on anyone and everything that they can explain away. I happen to be a sceptic who would like the proof of the unknown, however sometimes science can't explain everything, how arrogant of us to believe we know everything there is out there in the universe, we're like fish in a pond looking out at the sky and thinking surely there is nothing else to see or do because we can't see beyond our little existence. It's easy to focus on the prosaic aspects of an argument and focus on the things you can easily explain or explain away.

I don't know what the forum etiquette is on the paracast forum can I substitute letters of profane words??? anyway here I go, I apologise if I have offended anyone in advance.......

I heard a saying recently...

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Anyone of us can be a keyboard warrior, until we get out there and experience what these people have...well????

It's really not as bad as it looks on this thread. There are actually some very intelligent and well meaning people on here----most of the time----. I think there is a decent cross section of thoughts on here (the Paracast Forums in general) that range from super skeptic to the occassional true beleiver.
I invite you to read some of the past threads from over the years. Yeah there's some yelling, screaming and occassional hands-over-ears "La la la la" mentality, but I wouldn't keep coming back if it wasn't at least informative, and I've made some freinds on here.

The reason the Phil Imbrogno story is getting the fire-and-brimstone treatment? Well, IF and I mean IF ...this story turns out to be true, we all feel a kind of betrayal. He's making anyone interested in the paranormal look even more like the morons and lunatics the mainstream media just LOVES to portray us/them as. He's making an even worse name for paranormal research.
It's the broken trust issue too. If he lied about his credentials......all of his research is now , at the very least, suspect. What can you beleive and what can't you? Honestly? How can you tell?

 

[trainedobserver]

Anyone of us can be a keyboard warrior, until we get out there and experience what these people have...well????

I would have to say that the experience of going to M.I.T. is something that Mr. Imbrogno apparently didn't have. That by default causes his other reported experiences to be called into question.

I think this incident is a great litmus test for individuals and the paranormal research community as a whole as people come down to one side or another on the issue in varying degrees. You seem to be putting yourself on the no accountability or credibility is necessary at a carnival sideshow side of things. Which is a valid position to take if its all just entertainment and open speculation without pretense of serious inquiry.

 

[paul reddington]

hi paracasters a newby here but a very long time listener to the show. this whole affair with Phil Imbrogno gave me a bit of a jolt to be honest and yet not surprised either. like many others i enjoyed hes interviews on various shows and i have hes night siege book via kindle. i always viewed him as a credible researcher but maybe researching the researcher before giving credence to what they have to say would have helped. doubt we will hear from him again and theres others yet to be found out so its a case of move along in this crazy ride that is the "para not so normal" field that interests us all.

 

[Ron Collins]

Welcome to the forum.

 

[trainedobserver]

For those who think we should just "move along" I'd point out the hundreds of threads dealing with other subjects on this forum. The subject of how Ufology and Ufological history is impacted by this incident is far from being adequately explored and discussed. This has far reaching and wide ranging implications that must make the pretenders, hoaxers, and fakers in the paranormal field pretty damn uncomfortable I imagine. This too will become evident in their reaction to these developments. It's far from over in its implications and ramifications to Ufology.

Welcome to the forum Paul. I wasn't picking on you.

 

[tyder001]

Since this is causing such a mini storm here I thought I'd google Imbrogno alumni and see what I found. I did find this but I don't know if this is him.

http://www.alumni.iup.edu/s/894/index2col.aspx?sid=894&gid=1&pgid=208&cid=75&album=319316&photo=1245

Anyway, I'm just finishing up my lunch break and thought I'd google Imbrogno and alumni just to see what would come up. I think you have to acutally contact a school to be sure of an aumni. I've also googled (yeah, I'm lazy but I don't call myself an investigator.) Sealed Degree and can't find any such degree listed.

 

[Gene Steinberg]

And why would anyone have a degree sealed, if such a thing existed? Need to know? Preposterous!

 

[trainedobserver]

I want to make a public apology to Kandinsky. I gave him shit for comparing Phil Imbrogno to Bob Dean some months ago. My mistake. I was horribly wrong and ironically cited Imbrogno's educational claims and so forth as reasoning. Kandinsky called this right some time ago and was given the business for it. My apologies.

My crow needs some salt.

 

[Gene Steinberg]

It's not your fault. It's Imbrogno's fault for touting fake credentials.

 

[trainedobserver]

And why would anyone have a degree sealed, if such a thing existed? Need to know? Preposterous!

That claim has been verified as utter nonsense by at least two people who deal in such matters on a daily basis. I think Ron said the lady laughed out loud over the phone. Angelo squirted coffee out of his nose. There's your unintended consequences for you.

 

[Angel of Ioren]

And why would anyone have a degree sealed, if such a thing existed? Need to know? Preposterous!

I have never heard of a sealed degree and I have worked at a University for 10 years, the last 8 of those in the Registrar's Office. I know pretty much everything there is to know about post secondary education, both North American and International. I verify degree for people that contact us to check and I authenticate transcripts that are submitted as part of the admissions process. I'm pretty sure why Lance came to me first when he thought of looking into Imbrogno's degree.
If something like that exists, iI'm quite certain I would know.

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That claim has been verified as utter nonsense by at least two people who deal in such matters on a daily basis. I think Ron said the lady laughed out loud over the phone. Angelo squirted coffee out of his nose. There's your unintended consequences for you.

Thanks for providing the poor forum members with that visual.

 

[paul reddington]

For those who think we should just "move along" I'd point out the hundreds of threads dealing with other subjects on this forum. The subject of how Ufology and Ufological history is impacted by this incident is far from being adequately explored and discussed. This has far reaching and wide ranging implications that must make the pretenders, hoaxers, and fakers in the paranormal field pretty damn uncomfortable I imagine. This too will become evident in their reaction to these developments. It's far from over in its implications and ramifications to Ufology.

Welcome to the forum Paul. I wasn't picking on you.

no offence taken buddy theres a lot more knowledgeable people on here than i certainly am but this very topic of ufology has being so full of quacks and nutcases down the decades it just goes with the territory which itself makes it so hard to get to grips with. the likes of youtube and the thousands of CGI'S and fakes make it even harder to fathom the reality of it all. im bloody more confused the more i look into all of this to be honest.

 

[Gene Steinberg]

Go to a site or TV network that broadcasts old TV shows. Look for the old Danny Thomas comedy show and you'll see the coffee-squirting-out-of-nose gambit done well.

 

[tyder001]

I can't find anything pertaining to a sealed degree. Actually, there would be no good reason for such a thing. A Degree is to verify you are qualified for certain jobs and posistions. To seal it would be to defeat the purpose. Anyway, it's a shame cause if he had just done the work and not relied on fake credentials this wouldn't eve be an issue. I was reading the last book on the Djinn and blamed Roesmary for some of the more "out there" parts of it. Now, I see I may have been blaming the wrong person. Of course she also wrote a book with George Noory so I'm not to sure of her either at this point.

 

[Gene Steinberg]

The onus is on Imbrogno to prove these outlandish claims. The people who are repeating that crap need to ask the sensible question, "Prove it!"

Maybe it's time to look at the credentials of other UFO researchers?

I don't offer any credentials; I have none.

 

[tyder001]

Maybe it's time to look at the credentials of other UFO researchers?


I bet some people are a little nervous right now.

 

[paul reddington]

The onus is on Imbrogno to prove these outlandish claims. The people who are repeating that crap need to ask the sensible question, "Prove it!"

Maybe it's time to look at the credentials of other UFO researchers?

I don't offer any credentials; I have none.

yep research the researchers then let them say there piece if they check out, but shouldn't that be the first thing to do anyway ? hell i could just read up via google then give mr noory a call and before long " paul reddington expert ufology researcher with a google search PHD coming soon on coasttocoast am".