Politics & The CIC/Prez

[Gene Steinberg]

Welcome back Paul. Glad to see you here again.

I agree there is little chance Trump will find himself behind bars. His lifetime Secret Service protection is a major complication. Maybe it'll be house arrest. Or he won't be around long enough for his sentence to be carried out. It's not that he lives a healthy lifestyle.

 

[Gene Steinberg]

And if you think Trump is being singled out for being charged with keeping classified documents, here's just one of many examples where "regular people" have faced prison time for similar offenses:

Ex-FBI Analyst Gets 46 Months Behind Bars For Same Charge Trump Faces

Kendra Kingsbury was found to have classified materials in her bathroom — just like the ex-president.

www.huffpost.com

And Trump is also charged with obstruction and other crimes.

 

[SRL+]

Knowing that Florida is Trump country all it takes is to have one juror flip to the defense and he’s free.
That said, New Jersey which is vastly anti-Trump may be waiting for the babbling idiot.

Somewhere there’s a betting website that will give odds on Donald, and if he actually spends time behind bars.
Eureka … found it along with some other interesting goodies!

Donald Trump Betting Specials: Bookies make it 6/1 that Trump is sentenced to PRISON in 2023 with criminal charges still up in the air!

 

[Randall]

 

[Gene Steinberg]

This is just incoherent gibberish. It doesn't even come across as a joke.

 

[Gene Steinberg]

Meantime, while there are unproven claims that President Biden had done business in China, even Trump's own tax returns, which he tried to hide, indicate he has been doing business in China:

FACT SHEET: President Trump’s Shady Business Dealings With The Chinese Government — Congressional Integrity Project

Earlier today, Representative James Comer held a press conference—hyped for weeks as “judgment day” for President Biden—that failed to present a shred of evidence that connected to the president. At the same time, it has been over a hundred days since Comer said he and his House Oversight...

congressionalintegrity.org

 

[Randall]

The indictment is damning. Trump will be convicted (but will never see the inside of a jail cell, where he belongs).

Trump's a hypocrite. He condemns the justice system for unfairly turning a blind eye to the indiscretions of his rivals while targeting him for innocently holding classified documents — but he also refused to repatriate and pardon Edward Snowden for exposing actual illegal surveillance operations by the NSA.

Meanwhile — RFK Jr. said he would pardon Both Snowden & Assange — and take care of a bunch of other stuff that Gene has forbidden forum members to discuss or debate here — a similar attitude to that of the leftists and lobbyists who buy the BS propagated by Peter Hotez

 

[Gene Steinberg]

Trump wanted to weaponize the DOJ. In fact he tried to do it, and succeeded somewhat when Barr was Attorney General. Barr distorted the results of the Mueller Report that found that Trump and his campaign people did some questionable things, such as accepting help from the Russians, during the 2016 election, and that he committed acts that were obstructive, but wasn't able to prosecute due to a DOJ decision not to do so for a sitting President.

He and his supporters in Congress claim the Biden wants to weaponize the DOJ without evidence. Trump will often accuse others of doing what he is or plans to do himself.

As to those classified documents, all he had to do was return them and that would be that. He chose not to after being asked over and over and over again, which is why he was charged with a number of crimes related to those actions. There's nothing innocent about it. It's not special treatment either. A number of people are in jail now because THEY held onto classified materials:

FBI, Justice Department Routinely Prosecute Misuse of Classified Documents

Previous investigations have targeted a former national security adviser and a former CIA director

www.voanews.com

Indeed, if Trump was not a former President and rich, he'd be in prison with the rest of them right now.

As to RFK, Jr., his family regards him as a crank for some of his views. As an environmental lawyer, he did some credible things, then fell into the rabbit hole with views that aren't allowed here and lots of places for very sensible reasons.

 

[Randall]

Trump wanted to weaponize the DOJ. In fact he tried to do it, and succeeded somewhat when Barr was Attorney General. Barr distorted the results of the Mueller Report that found that Trump and his campaign people did some questionable things, such as accepting help from the Russians, during the 2016 election, and that he committed acts that were obstructive, but wasn't able to prosecute due to a DOJ decision not to do so for a sitting President.

He and his supporters in Congress claim the Biden wants to weaponize the DOJ without evidence. Trump will often accuse others of doing what he is or plans to do himself.

As to those classified documents, all he had to do was return them and that would be that. He chose not to after being asked over and over and over again, which is why he was charged with a number of crimes related to those actions. There's nothing innocent about it. It's not special treatment either. A number of people are in jail now because THEY held onto classified materials:

FBI, Justice Department Routinely Prosecute Misuse of Classified Documents

Previous investigations have targeted a former national security adviser and a former CIA director

www.voanews.com

Indeed, if Trump was not a former President and rich, he'd be in prison with the rest of them right now.

That wouldn't bother me at all.

As to RFK, Jr., his family regards him as a crank for some of his views.

Pejoratives, rather than sound reasoning and evidence aren't credible criticism — but I know you have a hard time accepting that.

As an environmental lawyer, he did some credible things, then fell into the rabbit hole with views that aren't allowed here and lots of places for very sensible reasons.

You think that censoring and smearing RFK is sensible — but it's not, and the fact that you refuse to allow discussion on it just proves your bias. It's so bad that despite RFK Jr. running for office, you won't let people here discuss key aspects of his platform. That's about as undemocratic a position as anyone could take.

 

[Gene Steinberg]

We do not discuss anti-vax on this forum. It's not bias. It's a matter of public health, and I'm sorry you don't see that. We don't allow hate speech either.

It is not up for debate so drop it.

 

[Randall]

We do not discuss anti-vax on this forum. It's not bias. It's a matter of public health, and I'm sorry you don't see that. We don't allow hate speech either.

It is not up for debate so drop it.

Do us both a favor and just ban me now, because I'm NEVER going to drop it.

 

[Gene Steinberg]

If you can't obey the rules, just don't post. Simple as that. I don't have time to deal with this.

 

[Randall]

If you can't obey the rules, just don't post. Simple as that. I don't have time to deal with this.

Then ignore it. But I have a thing about standing-up for truth and freedom, and censoring people on key issues around a presidential candidate doesn't fit-in with that — but apparently it does for you. Have you ever bothered to stop for a moment and think how that might look to other people who also value truth and freedom — particularly of expression in what was once considered the freest nation on Earth?

 

[Gene Steinberg]

I value truth. That's why I put those restrictions in force.

 

[Randall]

I value truth. That's why I put those restrictions in force.

Truth is not simply what some dictator tells you. Getting to the truth requires evidence and debate, not blind obedience to authority — which is what you're asking. So if you wanna go all Xi Jinping on me, go for it. @Paul Kimball might even back you up.

 

[Gene Steinberg]

Sounds like you are projecting here.

 

[Randall]

Sounds like you are projecting here.

Nonsense — You're the one who keeps censoring and banning me for posting evidence and discussion. Why don't you just stop doing that? The pandemic is over anyway. What's the worst that could happen? Maybe you might accidentally read something that makes you change your mind? Heaven forbid Gene Steinberg might have to admit he was wrong all along.

 

[Gene Steinberg]

Projecting again.

I'll give you an example of the worst: People who refused to take a vaccine, and, on their death bed, they beg for it. But it's too late for them. I met a person whose parent died in this tragic fashion in 2020. There are other stories of a similar nature. So if one person who could be saved believes the nonsense — other than that no solution is necessarily perfect — and thus dies, who is responsible for spreading the false information that, in effect, made that person vulnerable when he otherwise would have survived or never had the illness to begin with?

No, this is not up for discussion.

Heaven forbid that Randall leaves his rabbit hole and discovers some truth.

 

[Paul Kimball]

Welcome back Paul. Glad to see you here again.

I agree there is little chance Trump will find himself behind bars. His lifetime Secret Service protection is a major complication. Maybe it'll be house arrest. Or he won't be around long enough for his sentence to be carried out. It's not that he lives a healthy lifestyle.

Convict him, as he’s clearly guilty… and then pardon him on condition he never again run for public office.

 

[Gene Steinberg]

A pardon didn't go so well for Gerald Ford and Richard Nixon as you recall.

Consider, too, all the people who went to jail for taking classified documents and it will only make it clear that those who are rich can escape real punishment. It may well be that Trump is only running for office to escape the possibility of jail one way or the other. And take the donations and run.