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red_pill_junkie said:
To me ultimate lesson the UFO phenomenon has to offer is this: Our world is far bigger, stranger & wonderful than we are even able to imagine. Whether that was the original intention of the aliens themselves is besides the point. I'm running with it anyway ;)
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Well, not only have we been able to imagine how big our world is ( Eratosthenese estimated the size of the Earth without leaving Egypt ), we've also imagined things so strange that they don't actually exist on Earth ( think sci-fi or horror fantasy ). So I tend to avoid colorful exaggerations like the one above that tend wow the reader more than impart any useful information.
 
red_pill_junkie said:
To me ultimate lesson the UFO phenomenon has to offer is this: Our world is far bigger, stranger & wonderful than we are even able to imagine. Whether that was the original intention of the aliens themselves is besides the point. I'm running with it anyway ;)
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To be honest, do we think we need an ET non-human species to tell us that any more than we need the "Play nice and don't make a mess." message that is the core of many contactee and experiencer communications. Whatever it is, I honestly think that our human-centric view of it is totally out in the weeds and probably has nothing whatsoever to do with it.

Alien 1: Look down there! What are those damn things? They're crawling and crapping over everything!
Alien 2: Don't know, don't care, we're here for the <insert mysterious resource here> and have a quota to meet. Fire up the transmodulator!
 
red_pill_junkie said:
The point I was trying to make is that these beings seem to be VERY patient with us. It's something I discussed with Nick Redfern back in 2012, when we met at the Paradigm Symposium: he said that it was so frustrating how the aliens never seemed to change their modus operandi, and they kept repeating the same antics over & over again; I replied that if we took a hard, honest look at the evolution of our species, our behavior & intentions haven't really changed THAT much since we left the caves & discovered fire! We're still driven by greed & base needs, we still engage in tribal warfare & fight over resources, and we look with suspicion anyone who doesn't have our same skin color, creed or sexual orientation.

Perhaps they are just really, REALLY patient teachers ;)
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I also don't think they've done much in the way of teaching as everything we know about the UFO is simply human speculation. Advanced craft just ahead of contemporary tech speaks more to a terrestrial explanation than an ET's guiding hand.

Now it's true, they really haven't changed their tactics, but far from being completely indifferent towards us, there remains Vallee's theory of the staged event. So maybe we are more to 'them' than just ants crapping about the place or maybe they just like to have a good laugh every now and then?

As for us petty human folk, we may be tyrannical, but over the years we've gotten less violent, with an increasing trend towards civility, less corporal punishment, less land mines and we now actually talk about how war affects women and children. Our humanity appears to be on the rise along with our rapidly shifting technology. So we can't be all that boring as we have evolved somewhat. We still are very short sighted when it comes to how we use resources and how much we value power and $$$ over ending poverty and human exploitation. We have potential, but have not yet fully figured out how to work out our differences.

Maybe when we stop shooting and poisoning each other real contact might be considered.
 
They may be patient teachers, but they also may be lousy teachers. To be honest I'm not very up to speed on many contact cases, but most the ones I've heard of...assuming they are on the level...involve bizarre and painful expierimentation, nonsensical, opaque comm7nication or trite little warnings about saving the planet.
What are we supposed to take away from all that ? Probes are painful ? Pollution and nuclear power is no good? If there has been any genuine conducive communications going it's been kept hush-hush
 
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Burnt State said:
As for us petty human folk, we may be tyrannical, but over the years we've gotten less violent, with an increasing trend towards civility, less corporal punishment, less land mines and we now actually talk about how war affects women and children. Our humanity appears to be on the rise along with our rapidly shifting technology.
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You're talking about for the "connected" aren't you? The small percentage of the world that aren't wringing their hands over what we are going to feed the kids tonight or where we are going to sleep tomorrow or if the police or rival religious faction are going to kick down the door and drag us off for committing some political indiscretion. What we see on our TV sets does not reflect the majority of the world's state. I know you know this, I'm just ranting.

Burnt State said:
Maybe when we stop shooting and poisoning each other real contact might be considered.
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If we unite, they will no doubt take notice.

Alien 1: Look down there! They've stopped fighting each other and they're looking up!
Alien 2: Oh hell. Unpack the "Brilliant Being of Light" costume, someone's got to go down and get them fighting each other again.
Alien 3: Not me, you talked me into it last time and I thought I would never make it out of there alive.
 
red_pill_junkie said:
You're actually right. Perhaps thinking of them in terms of 'good' or 'bad' is missing the point entirely.

But just a few hours ago I was listening to Brad Steiger on BoA, and he's offering a lot of tantalizing musings. He says that the phenomenon has always decided to show itself just a little bit more advanced than our current technological level; perhaps it's a method to pique our curiosity and propel our level of advancement. I'm sure there were a lot of people in the 50s who looked at cases of flying saucers & started to wonder whether a lenticular craft would be more aerodynamically efficient than a winged plane :)

To me ultimate lesson the UFO phenomenon has to offer is this: Our world is far bigger, stranger & wonderful than we are even able to imagine. Whether that was the original intention of the aliens themselves is besides the point. I'm running with it anyway ;)
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But just a few hours ago I was listening to Brad Steiger on BoA, and he's offering a lot of tantalizing musings.

RPJ - is this the latest BoA episode also with Nick Redfern?
 
ufology said:
Well, not only have we been able to imagine how big our world is ( Eratosthenese estimated the size of the Earth without leaving Egypt ), we've also imagined things so strange that they don't actually exist on Earth ( think sci-fi or horror fantasy ). So I tend to avoid colorful exaggerations like the one above that tend wow the reader more than impart any useful information.
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"The only way of finding the limits of the possible is by going beyond them into the impossible." ~Arthur C Clarke
 
Wade Ridsdale said:
They may be patient teachers, but they also may be lousy teachers. To be honest I'm not very up to speed on many contact cases, but most the ones I've heard of...assuming they are on the level...involve bizarre and painful expierimentation, nonsensical, opaque comm7nication or trite little warnings about saving the planet.
What are we supposed to take away from all that ? Probes are painful ? Pollution and nuclear power is no good? If there has been any genuine conducive communications going it's been kept hush-hush
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Obviously it's pretty unfair for me to judge experiences that might have been extremely traumatic to those who had it --women who were pregnant and lost their babies, men who felt they were raped, etc-- But on my personal life, the teachers I learned the most from were always the harshest ones; the ones who would flunk everyone in the class, the ones who would leave you incredibly difficult homework that would REALLY put your skills to the test.

Please, don't think of me as trying to give it a New Age-y 'feel good' spin to these events. I'm just saying... where did it say that a truly transformative experience ALWAYS had to be pleasant?
 
ufology said:
"The possible and the impossible are mutually exclusive. At best, we can only surpass the limits of our beliefs and expectations." ~J.R. Murphy
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“Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.”~Albert Einstein

 
red_pill_junkie said:
“Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.”~Albert Einstein
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“Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand ... except when you're trying to explain to your banker that your imaginary job, house, and savings account should be sufficient to get you your new car loan ” ~J.R. Murphy
 
red_pill_junkie said:
Yep. Two thumbs up on that one! Brad's words are resonating with me BIG TIME.
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Brad has a very soothing voice - like a grandfather or favorite uncle - I keep some of his stuff on my player for sleepless nights, it's comforting and often I slip in and out of sleep to hear his voice. In a different way (though their voices have some similar qualities) Mac Tonnies is also a comfort to listen to.
 
I have much Mac material saved for similar reasons, that and guy from the UK who completes such excellent reviews of all the original Twilight Zone episodes on his podcast. He could read the DSMR or the ingredients listing on our Soylent Green boxes, and I would feel relaxed and engaged by his impassioned conviction & authenticity.
 
Burnt State said:
I have much Mac material saved for similar reasons, that and guy from the UK who completes such excellent reviews of all the original Twilight Zone episodes on his podcast. He could read the DSMR or the ingredients listing on our Soylent Green boxes, and I would feel relaxed and engaged by his impassioned conviction & authenticity.
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If you listened to my 2nd chat with Greg on R.l Misterioso, then you know that what I'd really like to see in the near future, is for Mac's ideas to reach the same level of 'virality' than some of the other alternative thinkers whop became more relevant once they passed away --think McKenna, Anton Wilson, etc.

It would be awesome to see people uploading clips on Youtube using Mac's voice from one of his radio appearances, along with some original animation or some image mashups to illustrate his ideas.

If I had the editing skills I'd certainly give it a try. But since I don't I'll keep suggesting it until someone decides to give it a try :)
 
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