Ray Stanford has a photo of the Socorro craft & Martin Willis has seen it and is impressed but...

[DissectionStalker]

But what you have described so far promises to be more of the same ho hum.

I asked one simple yes or no question about whether this could be Human caused, but it is strangely ignored. Why? There must be an agenda when such simple answers can be given. Everyone in the know ignores answering ANY technical questions about the cameras, lenses, photos, negatives, and scanning specs in question.

This is EXACTLY how the Roswell Slides went forward for years BEFORE the Mexico show was announced. That strategy of withholding information builds tension, bad/ill will, marketing hype, willful and blatant disinformation, it is psyops, just keep withholding and building anticipation for the Second Coming of ET that is not a mummy. Yes, MUFON claims no money will be made off Ray's evidence.

Personally, I'd prefer to see Ray on Hangar One. I sense a new season of Hangar Stanford with all the amazing sightings he has. He is made for MUFON UFO-TV. SyFy Entertainment is really his match. Light that fire. Hell, I'll watch it for the pure entertainment value. I guess Ray would never allow for that, but presenting such matters in a form of entertainment that can be accepted at least on that level may be better than nothing. IMO.

There really are easily 10 episodes I could name off that would really be fun and fascinating to watch. Who cares about the truth in that format? It's ET Entertainment.

 

[Randall]

Go look again about the post of yours I quoted. There are clearly four landing legs depicted.

Ray Stanford has a photo of the Socorro craft & Martin Willis has seen it and is impressed but...

Zamora said it looked like a BALLOON as it ascended with his glasses on. Why debate this point that Zamora said himself?

IF he said blimp then I would buy into the elongated horizontal orientation, but not when Zamora said he thought it was a balloon and O shaped or oval shaped. Just check his initial report above to verify my thinking about it. I think 'balloon' is the key word and idea as it ascended with his glasses on.

I think this is a moot point in many respects, and everyone is entitled to imagine what it might have looked like.

I really feel the absolute requirement to stick to Zamora's initial report in his words before he was manipulated [by Stanford too] about what to say, how to say it, and what words to use or not use. He could have easily already been coached how to describe the object too! There is PROOF Zamora changed his story and that the MIC Intelligence types were monitoring his public statements with escorts to the radio station and elsewhere. And, that IS weird, intimidating, and controlling too.

Did Zamora complain? No, Zamora was a "yes sir", whatever you say sir, because they appealed to his patriotic duty and military background too, National Security, etc. He walked their line and followed their directions. 1964 was a different era and doing one's patriotic duty, especially, as a policeman and veteran was a totally different mindset.

From: Socorro_Zamora_interview

STUART: Was it standing on legs?
ZAMORA: Yes sir, it had legs, I called it legs, yes.
STUART: And you thought there were four of these?
ZAMORA: Apparently there was, from the markings on the ground, there was four legs,

From: http://www.ufocasebook.com/Zamora.html

As you can see, Zamora's crude drawing shows the object aligned horizontally, and he seems to have thought the object had 4 legs. But since I didn't include legs on the graphic for our website, that issue isn't relevant anyway.​

 

[DissectionStalker]

Thanks Ufology. Do we have a date for that sketch? That's interesting about the four impressions, because in the films I only saw three. Not sure why they would not show the fourth impression, but that is a mistaken assumption I made because of what the film showed on youtube. We really need the actual date when that sketch was made, otherwise it is suspect for the reasons I've already given.

 

[Sand]

I’ll add another little something into the mix of this thread, which has become a phenomenon in itself.

In the July 26 After The Paracast Chris said something that provided an interesting example of some of Ray’s thoughts, but also left me unclear on a couple of the points Chris was making.

Chris speaking, beginning at 19:46:

“I think in terms of detecting ETs, I think it probably wouldn’t be that difficult to detect them, and I don’t think they’d land a city-sized object. I think like Ray says they have 14 mile ships that discharge 14,000 foot ships that discharge 1,400 foot ships. For some reason there is this weird kind of 14 correlation through his analysis of grandmother ships, mother ships, and deltas, and clipped-wing deltas as he calls them, which tend to be the scout type ships predominantly. He says that flying saucers aren’t round, they’re octagonal, they’re 8 sided. Because they’re spinning they appear round. That’s another one of his pretty interesting little analytical data bits. So you know I doubt very seriously, Gene, that we are being visited. I think there is another tenant in the building. There was an article here recently that talked about a possible civilization living in the mantle of the earth. And I saw Snowden’s name attached to it if memory serves me correct.”

Chris, are you saying that Ray is also of the opinion that UFOs are produced by undiscovered residents of planet earth? Or am I misreading this?

Secondly, I’d like to be clear on the weird number “14” correlation. It appears Ray is saying that he has been able to take measurements of anomalous UFOs, from grandmother ships to scout ships, and those measurements correlate literally to 14 (x powers of 10) “miles” and “feet”? Ray is saying that for some reason the creators of those UFOs are building their “ships” based on U.S. standards of measurement?

 

[Randall]

Thanks Ufology. Do we have a date for that sketch? That's interesting about the four impressions, because in the films I only saw three. Not sure why they would not show the fourth impression, but that is a mistaken assumption I made because of what the film showed on youtube. We really need the actual date when that sketch was made, otherwise it is suspect for the reasons I've already given.

The article from where the picture is linked to says, "Immediately after the incident, he made a drawing of the insignia he saw on the side of the craft." So we're left to assume that the picture is the one he made immediately after the incident. I've been through all this before in some detail, but don't have the time to cite every reference again for the sake of this discussion. I will say however that there are illustrations by others that do show the object upright, and I can see your logic. I'm pretty sure I've also run across the tripod landing indents someplace too. So I can see how there can still be confusion around these details.

 

[Burnt State]

They ignore answering simple yes or no questions. They ignore answering ANY technical questions about the cameras, photos, and negatives in question.

This is EXACTLY how the Roswell Slides went forward. It builds tension, bad/ill will, marketing hype, willful and blatant disinformation, it is psyops, just keep withholding and building anticipation for the Second Coming of Ray Stanford. Where is Jesus when you need him?

Perhaps an even better comparison might be Roger Leir of the pseudo - science verified alien implants? But until real verifiable information is released by Mr. Stanford this is just a little too similar to the Roswell slides event. The big difference here though is that there is no planned release date for the big reveal. Apparently apologies must be provided first before the secrets are to be let out - not too sure about how scientific an approach that is, nor the discussion about Stanford's confirmation of UFO time compression, octagonal shaped craft, the use of immense mother ships etc. It is a highly detailed set of theories that is only missing the evidence. I don't see a second coming, nor do I see the release of this information ever happening. But I do predict more periodic promotions of Ray's private discoveries along with secret meetings between him and international scientists. Like many of the anchors that drag down Ufology this is a topic not worth talking about but will inspire enough conflict to keep batting a mythic version of Ufology about. If you can't see the Michael Horn meme in all of this then you're not looking clearly.

 

[Chuckleberryfinn]

I think I see a way out of this whole spectacle, this mistake that Stanford has made, not releasing his countless hours of amazing footage, the UFO firing a beam at him, not appearing on national TV to demonstrate his ability to call down UFO fleets and then directing them at his psychic command like some intergalactic conductor of saucer orchestras, all of it, there is a way out, I see it now -- it is called "The Hilarion Accelerator."

Please, some of his followers, plead with him, beg him, make him use it! So much sadness, so much misery, such suffering the world over as would bring any reasonable man to weep cascades of blood tears -- so much of this, and Stanford has the answer to it all, one hopes, in some secret corner of his basement, betwixt piles of dinosaur bones and ancient mystery tomes such as only blood members of the Illuminati have, he has it, the Hilarion Accelerator, stashed away in the corner, covered by an old bedsheet.

You must persuade him to use it, and then travel back to the sixties, and revisit his decision not to force disclosure. If only he would do that, he could unite the nations in the spirit of brotherhood and peace, and he could prevent so many wars from happening, so many deaths.

Can't he do this? Ask him: do time and space abide by the Back to the Future rules, the sort that allows changes that will ripple into the future, changing history, or are we dealing more with a "Garden of Forking Paths" scenario, where any changes will branch off into new dimensions of reality, leaving us here alone to suffer the hell we have created for ourselves. God, let it be the former! I want so much to awaken tomorrow morning in a new world, a world governed by the desire to make life better for all, not just a select group of the extremely well-to-do. I hope he trudges down there today into his basement, pulls off that old dusty sheet, and then fires up his prototype of the accelerator. I hope he didn't smash it some night long ago in a tearful and drunken rage, angry at the ignorance and stupidity of man, unwilling to share with all the fruits of his bountiful wisdom and genius.

Please, you must persuade him to use the Hilarion Accelerator. It is the only way to undo the tragedy of history.

 

[Ben Moss]

Once again Zamora never said people.

 

[Ben Moss]

Here is the interview. He did not say people. Also a confirmation of the correct symbol that Lonnie cannot talk about.

 

[Chuckleberryfinn]

Once again, Withoutlimits statements remain cogent as ever, Mr. Moss. Why would Stanford bother with some alleged symbol that one police officer saw when he has the power to do all of the above? WHY?

 

[Wade]

I have a point to bring up, simplistic it may be, as a verified & confirmed armchair observer (says so right on my avatar) whose "knowledge" on this case goes only as far as what he has read here, why would it be so hard to accept that this couldn't be some kind of US human manned secret flight perhaps based on captured tech?

The fact that this crafted roared off...as DS has pointed out...flies against any supposedly alien craft incident in familiar with. (Not so sure I'm on board with hot air balloons though)

Is there not a scenario where at this time and era perhaps this tech was at a point where forward motion was obtained using new tech but still needed good old fashioned rocket boosters to achieve a certain altitude before employing any futuristic tech ?

Interesting thread though guys...keep it up.

 

[Vimana]

I'm wondering if anyone has ever pointed out the fact that Ray's UFO (as reproduced for the X Descending cover) looks suspiciously similar to a type of lens flare known as a "ghost lens flare." (Keep in mind that the actual book cover has an added digital lens flare OVER the original reproduced image, I'm not talking about that) As an animator my mind went "Lens Flare" immediately and I cannot get past the notion that this "unrevealed" image may be a simple lens flare. I come to no conclusions but consider it a possibility. Compare yourself:

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[Christopher O'Brien]

Chris, are you saying that Ray is also of the opinion that UFOs are produced by undiscovered residents of planet earth? Or am I misreading this?

You are. Ray is convinced we are being visited from far away in our Universe. I am inclined to think that they are closer to home.

Secondly, I’d like to be clear on the weird number “14” correlation. It appears Ray is saying that he has been able to take measurements of anomalous UFOs, from grandmother ships to scout ships, and those measurements correlate literally to 14 (x powers of 10) “miles” and “feet”? Ray is saying that for some reason the creators of those UFOs are building their “ships” based on U.S. standards of measurement?

No, but there does seem to be a coincidental correlation w/ our number 14.

I'd like to end my participation in this thread w/ this comment. I will not speak about Ray on the Paracast again. I am about ready to ban the entire subject. I don't care if you think I am a "Stanford devotee." I simply know hard work and razor-like insight when I see it. Much of what I see around hear on this thread is whiny, baiting, clever insults and pontificating about what you do not know, nor understand. Ray is Ray and the more you insult the man, the less likely it will be that you'll ever see his analytical work, and you are digging this hole deeper with every denigrating post. I am going to read this entire thread carefully and decide who will be toast. As you know, newcomers always get a warning first. Others, well, we will have to see...

 

[Vimana]

I hope my post did not inspire such a response. No insult intended to Ray, Chris, Ben, or anyone.
Still curious about the lens flare and if members are no longer allowed to post here, please PM me w any thoughts.

 

[Ben Moss]

Chris I totally agree and time for me to exit. I just tried to share info and thoughts but they wanted to shoot the messenger. Now they can post to each about balloons, psy ops, jungle juice and whatever other reason they can think of instead of what the facts tell us. Hope to see you in Irvine or if not maybe in your neck of the woods.

 

[Ravensfee]

I will not speak about Ray on the Paracast again

I'm sorry you feel that way Chris though I can see why you might. I still think a discussion of these areas when the promised website is ready to launch would be a great idea. But if there's no appetite...

As I mentioned 12 pages ago I wasn't fully up to speed with the politics around Ray. I feel like I am now, but it's been a fairly painful lesson.

I can understand scepticism, that's always to be expected whenever this type of phenomenon is discussed, but the vehemence and animosity was unexpected.

I genuinely didn't know why Ray wasn't engaging with the UFO community. Now I totally get it.

 

[Christopher O'Brien]

I hope my post did not inspire such a response. No insult intended to Ray, Chris, Ben, or anyone. Still curious about the lens flare and if members are no longer allowed to post here, please PM me w any thoughts.

No, my decision was not related to your post, but I will make this reply as my last on the Subject of Ray Stanford. I see why you made the observation and there does appear to be a similarity. However, Ray himself has pointed out "lens flare" in several photos I have sent him to analyze. I assure you, he knows a lens flare when he sees one and can easily tell the difference.

 

[Wade]

I genuinely didn't know why Ray wasn't engaging with the UFO community. Now I totally get it.

Which brings about something I've been wondering anyhow, why the f***ing witch hunt? I'm not as deeply imbedded in this culture as much as most the guys here, but it's not like Ray is in our faces all the f***ing time (That's two) he printed a handful of books decades ago and made an appearance on C2C and here last year and that's about it. Earlier chuckleberryfinn made a comment about going back in time using a Hilarion Acceleratorto go back in time, i'd ask if I could hitch a ride and ask to be dropped off just a few years back and find out why this has become such a "thing" it seems like it comes about because Chris is prompted or asked or maybe volunteers some info about Ray and within a few posts the fur starts to fly. I just don't get it. I do have a somewhat compartmentalized interest in this phenomena so as i said in not as involved in it but still I'm inclined to leave the guy alone, if he was truly like Michael Horn and promoting the f*** (3) of his mentor or truly like Greer and taking people's f***ing money (4) and showing them a bunch of lights i'd probably jump in the fray myself.

Also I've wanted to point out that a few well meaning well intentioned people have brought up Ray's age and the fact he's still not released his findings, and he's getting older. I think that's pretty insulting just the same. More so that Ben or Chris i'd say Ray has a good sense of his own mortality

 

[Wade]

Temporary Derailment

If we are going to dismiss anybody around here let's concentrate our interests on dismissing Donald Trump. Why his popularity is where it is escapes me and frightens me, I'm less concerned about him than the people who want to see him on the same stage as the other candidates instead of a more viable candidate like Carly and Rand. He's a better politician than the others though because he's got the art of providing unprovable ad hominem sound bites and attacks without any clear policy points down to a science and my fellow Americans are waiting it up they'll be disappointed by next year when he drops out and the public learns he played them for suckers and used the
publicity for shameless self promotion for whatever podium he's got up his sleeve...or maybe I should say up his ass. Just ask all those border agents he's always talking to.

 

[Gene Steinberg]

Feel free to start a Donald Trump thread. He can say whatever he wants.