Remote Viewing

[The Pair of Cats]

Thanks mate. I appreciate your efforts.

 

[swatcher]

Quote:
Originally Posted by swatcher
So where are all the remote viewers when a child gets abducted?


Originally posted by Teresa:

Wondering when the not-remote-viewers will learn to trust us enough to give us a chance and appreciate what we could contribute. Pretty hard to establish credentials or do your best work when you're being flogged.

~Teresa

Can you answer my question? I'm not flogging you, just asking a question LOL. To my knowledge there is no child abduction case that has ever been solved by RV. I think that is very telling.

 

[The Pair of Cats]

Quote:
Originally Posted by swatcher
So where are all the remote viewers when a child gets abducted?


Can you answer my question? I'm not flogging you, just asking a question LOL. To my knowledge there is no child abduction case that has ever been solved by RV. I think that is very telling.

You're probably right! To the best of my knowledge there has been no child abduction case that has ever been solved by RV! Teresa might be able to tell you, though.

Also to the best of my knowledge there have been no internet credit card scams, metropolitan car jackings or home invasions solved by RV which, i think, is equally as telling.

Remember RV is not some kind of miracle cure used to solve all the worlds ills.

 

[swatcher]

You're probably right! To the best of my knowledge there has been no child abduction case that has ever been solved by RV! Teresa might be able to tell you, though.

Also to the best of my knowledge there have been no internet credit card scams, metropolitan car jackings or home invasions solved by RV which, i think, is equally as telling.

Remember RV is not some kind of miracle cure used to solve all the worlds ills.

Oh boy ...:frown: So, that's your answer ?

 

[The Pair of Cats]

Oh boy ...:frown: So, that's your answer ?

Well...what kind of answer do you want? I gave you an answer and an honest one at that. If you don't like it then bugger off and stop trolling for an argument.
Child abduction cases go unsolved all over the world , all the time!! Even Law Enforcement experts are failing to solve them all.
You seem to be implying that because no known cases have been solved by RV (that we're aware of) then RV is a complete failure.
If you've got something useful to bring to the debate then great, if not stop wasting everybody's time.

 

[swatcher]

Well...what kind of answer do you want? I gave you an answer and an honest one at that. If you don't like it then bugger off and stop trolling for an argument.
Child abduction cases go unsolved all over the world , all the time!! Even Law Enforcement experts are failing to solve them all.
You seem to be implying that because no known cases have been solved by RV (that we're aware of) then RV is a complete failure.
If you've got something useful to bring to the debate then great, if not stop wasting everybody's time.

Thank you for confirming my suspicion about RV. Your ad hominem-tactic is actually rather pathetic, but I'm getting a kick out of your inability to make any coherent argument for RV. You seem to be a true "believer" and I wonder how much you invested in RV seminars and books.

I hate to break it to you, but you are not the one making the rules on this forum. That's up to dB and Gene

Here is my challenge: RVs of the world unite to solve at least ONE (1) child abduction case.

Best of luck and with much respect,

swatcher

 

[Illuminati0n]

Here is my challenge: RVs of the world unite to solve at least ONE (1) child abduction case.

Best of luck and with much respect,

swatcher

How about a challange to all the people that think they see UFO's or ghosts. May they all unite and bring us ONE (1) undeniable photograph, video, piece of evidence.

I think there is something to remote viewing but more likely on random occurences. You tend to see remote viewing topics in lots of forums around that deal with astral travel, OBE's, metaphysics.

If you go explore those kind of forums you find there are LOTS of people that seem like they are tapping into something and talk like they "know" in this stuff, much the same way you hear anyone talking about UFO or paranormal experiences.

 

[The Pair of Cats]

Thank you for confirming my suspicion about RV. Your ad hominem-tactic is actually rather pathetic, but I'm getting a kick out of your inability to make any coherent argument for RV. You seem to be a true "believer" and I wonder how much you invested in RV seminars and books.

I hate to break it to you, but you are not the one making the rules on this forum. That's up to dB and Gene

Here is my challenge: RVs of the world unite to solve at least ONE (1) child abduction case.

Best of luck and with much respect,

swatcher

I am unappologetic about my "ad hominen tactic" as it was in reply to your "argumentative trolling tactic" that you have clearly displayed in you short series of posts.
I actually agreed to the claim in your first post, if you had taken the time to "read it".
Unfortunately you presented your case in a manner that indicates the likely hood that you have already made your mind up about RV and are attempting to provide, what you may think in your mind, to be an impossible task for the use of RV, thereby dismissing it as a flight of fantasy.
One has to ask "why didn't you simply come out and present the challenge in the first place", in a calm and respectful manner as it is quite a legitimate one in my view and worthy of further action. In short I agree and think it is a great idea!.
Instead of sniping behind a series of thinly veiled cheap shots you could have presented your challenge much better.
As for the rules of the forum, you are correct Gene and David do make the rules and rightly so.
But when you can't even read my reply correctly...

The Pair of Cats...You're probably right! To the best of my knowledge there has been no child abduction case that has ever been solved by RV!

and then reply with this childish gem...

swatcher....Oh boy ...:frown: So, that's your answer ?...

you get what you deserve.

 

[The Pair of Cats]

Swatcher and Illuminati0n.

FYI. RE:

Originally Posted by swatcher.....but I'm getting a kick out of your inability to make any coherent argument for RV.

eight martinis - Remote Viewing magazine

Go to page 27 of the above link (8 Martinis issue #2). There is an article there titled "Find Me..the Missing".

This was kindly provided by Teresa on a previous page.

There seems to be at least some attempt for providing a service for the abducted or missing children.

 

[fahrusha]

Here is my challenge: RVs of the world unite to solve at least ONE (1) child abduction case.

I think that Joe McMoneagle did solve an abduction case by finding the body. It was somewhere in the VA/NC area.
No Swatcher, I'm not going to call Joe and get him to submit proof, sorry.
There was also the psychic in CA who knew so much about a woman's disappearance and death that she was actually briefly charged with the crime. Remote Viewing like all psi senses works on a spectrum. None of the RVers are 100% accurate. Remote Viewing is actually a methodology for clairvoyance.
Best wishes,
Fahrusha

 

[Jeff Crowell]

Yeah thanks for the link that goes nowhere (a bit like your argument).
RV is used as an adjunct to other intelligence gathering methods, used by military, law enforcement and industry.
Notice i say ADJUNCT! Not the be all and end all as you often and mistakenly seem to think. (a common mistake with debunkers)
Joe McMoneagle was famous for discovering the existance of a new Soviet Nuclear submarine some years ago, giving detailed drawings and a location to the US military when all other intelligence methods had not picked it up. If you took the time to look into his work and the work of Lyn Buchanan you would get all the information you need.
(Yet another fault of debunkers, the lack of a real research ethic. Teresa has suppiled numerous links to all the material you need.Please do us all a favor and at least have a look at what she and others have supplied. They don't need to do your work for you.)
So you still haven't done any research into RV as proven by your response. In the end it doesn't matter if any government is still using RV or not and neither you or i could say definitively whether it is or not. The argument is irrelevant.
You are saying that RV is useless and good for nothing, completely ignoring the results gained by the viewers that you mentioned. Once again just because you choose to ignore what they have achieved doesn't mean that they have nothing to show for.
You seem to think that RV is being touted as some magical ability akin to a sci fi movie or show. Rv was only ever used by the US government in CONJUNCTION with all OTHER intelligence gathering tools.
Today it is sometimes used by law enforcement in the same way. A good cop isn't going to rely wholly and solely on a bunch of RV sessions or the word of a psychic. They are going to correlate ALL of their available facts and leads from many different sources to find what they are trying to find.
You say that you wear the badge of "debunker" with pride. That isn't half obvious. It is for this reason your comments place you in the same league as the "doe eyed believer" camp and afford you about the same amount of credibility.
It doesn't matter how much evidence is presented to you you're not going to take it on board. You are welcome to your comments and i wish you well with your skeptoid porn collection, something that you seem to gain more pleasure from than doing real research.

My apologies for the broken link. Try here .

Failing that, here's the URL straight from the site... "http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/twitter/5499276/Twitter-experiment-casts-doubt-on-psychic-remote-viewing.html" (no quotes).

My only comment to your tirade is that if RV was used exclusively to gather military intelligence we'd still be throwing stones in this, the nuclear age. Of course it has to be used in tandem with other methods of intelligence gathering as that is where the true information stems. Skeptic, debunker...whatever you wish to call, I do not believe someone remote viewed schematics and diagrams of the first Russian nuclear submarine. Flat out. Regarding the discovery that Russians were building, or had built, their own sub, well that stands to reason based on their own intelligence of the U.S.; we build one, they build one. That's the nature of military technology. Nothing stays secret for long.

The question regarding child abductions was not addressed by the doe-eyed remote viewing believers on this post, either. Let's do that, then, take RV out of the political spectrum and put it in the crime spectrum; can a remote viewer find a lost child? Track down a murderer or serial killer?
Let's move remote viewing into the economic spectrum; can a remote viewer find a new energy source or a new stock-pile of crude oil that can be mined without ecological disaster? Can remote viewers cure cancer?

In my research, no, not at all. Again, as I harp, no practical results. Keep ranting and raving for remote viewing, the fact of the matter is the world won't accept it because there's nothing there to accept. If you want to keep doing it in your garage or basement on weekends that's entirely up to you. It's a (relatively) free country so you're welcomed to do just that, but don't expect rational, critically thinking people to accept your misguided faith in a defunct concept such as remote viewing. That would be the same as me coming onto the Forums and start touting concepts of Christianity. That would be pretty absurd, wouldn't it?

 

[fahrusha]

My apologies for the broken link. Try here .

Failing that, here's the URL straight from the site... "http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/twitter/5499276/Twitter-experiment-casts-doubt-on-psychic-remote-viewing.html" (no quotes).

My only comment to your tirade is that if RV was used exclusively to gather military intelligence we'd still be throwing stones in this, the nuclear age. Of course it has to be used in tandem with other methods of intelligence gathering as that is where the true information stems. Skeptic, debunker...whatever you wish to call, I do not believe someone remote viewed schematics and diagrams of the first Russian nuclear submarine. Flat out. Regarding the discovery that Russians were building, or had built, their own sub, well that stands to reason based on their own intelligence of the U.S.; we build one, they build one. That's the nature of military technology. Nothing stays secret for long.

The question regarding child abductions was not addressed by the doe-eyed remote viewing believers on this post, either. Let's do that, then, take RV out of the political spectrum and put it in the crime spectrum; can a remote viewer find a lost child? Track down a murderer or serial killer?
Let's move remote viewing into the economic spectrum; can a remote viewer find a new energy source or a new stock-pile of crude oil that can be mined without ecological disaster? Can remote viewers cure cancer?

In my research, no, not at all. Again, as I harp, no practical results. Keep ranting and raving for remote viewing, the fact of the matter is the world won't accept it because there's nothing there to accept. If you want to keep doing it in your garage or basement on weekends that's entirely up to you. It's a (relatively) free country so you're welcomed to do just that, but don't expect rational, critically thinking people to accept your misguided faith in a defunct concept such as remote viewing. That would be the same as me coming onto the Forums and start touting concepts of Christianity. That would be pretty absurd, wouldn't it?

On the Twitter experiment: I did it 3 of the days it ran and got 2 correct. I know that doesn't mean much statistically. I studied remote viewing with David Morehouse, Russell Targ and Skip Atwater/ Paul Elder with conversations with Joe McMoneagle.
I honestly don't think anybody expects RVing to cure cancer. I don't "believe" anything. I've seen it work many times. You have stated you don't "believe" anyone RVed schematics. OK don't "believe." I've seen it work. I have no "faith", I've seen it work. I won't attempt to prove anything to someone who has his/her mind made up and "believes" it doesn't work.
Best wishes,
fahrusha

 

[Jeff Crowell]

On the Twitter experiment: I did it 3 of the days it ran and got 2 correct. I know that doesn't mean much statistically. I studied remote viewing with David Morehouse, Russell Targ and Skip Atwater/ Paul Elder with conversations with Joe McMoneagle.
I honestly don't think anybody expects RVing to cure cancer. I don't "believe" anything. I've seen it work many times. You have stated you don't "believe" anyone RVed schematics. OK don't "believe." I've seen it work. I have no "faith", I've seen it work. I won't attempt to prove anything to someone who has his/her mind made up and "believes" it doesn't work.
Best wishes,
fahrusha

I mirror your last sentence, and completely agree with it. Honestly, I'm willing to be proven wrong when I see information about a RV session that solved a serious social problem, a crime, or the like on the evening news. I'll be the first one to admit I'm wrong at that point. Until then, I think we can agree to disagree without being disagreeable.

J.

 

[The Pair of Cats]

My apologies for the broken link. Try here .

Failing that, here's the URL straight from the site... "http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/twitter/5499276/Twitter-experiment-casts-doubt-on-psychic-remote-viewing.html" (no quotes).

My only comment to your tirade is that if RV was used exclusively to gather military intelligence we'd still be throwing stones in this, the nuclear age.

It's not being used exclusively by the military, it's being used by people from all walks of life, sometimes by Law enforcement and Industry.

...I do not believe someone remote viewed schematics and diagrams of the first Russian nuclear submarine. Flat out. Regarding the discovery that Russians were building, or had built, their own sub, well that stands to reason based on their own intelligence of the U.S.; we build one, they build one. That's the nature of military technology. Nothing stays secret for long.

You can choose to ignore or disbelieve the evidence of Joe McMoneagle if you like and that is your choice.

The question regarding child abductions was not addressed by the doe-eyed remote viewing believers on this post, either. Let's do that, then, take RV out of the political spectrum and put it in the crime spectrum; can a remote viewer find a lost child? Track down a murderer or serial killer?

Try this site, page 27 " "Find Me..the Missing".
eight martinis - Remote Viewing magazine[/QUOTE]

Let's move remote viewing into the economic spectrum; can a remote viewer find a new energy source or a new stock-pile of crude oil that can be mined without ecological disaster?

Oil companies have been known to use "dowsers" to find oil reserves. As for new energy sources, they have already been found and suppressed by big Oil and Electricity. (these have already been well documented on these forums and the "net" in general).[/QUOTE]

C'mon Sandanfire, have you ever read up on Tesla?

In my research, no, not at all. Again, as I harp, no practical results. Keep ranting and raving for remote viewing, the fact of the matter is the world won't accept it because there's nothing there to accept. If you want to keep doing it in your garage or basement on weekends that's entirely up to you. It's a (relatively) free country so you're welcomed to do just that, but don't expect rational, critically thinking people to accept your misguided faith in a defunct concept such as remote viewing. That would be the same as me coming onto the Forums and start touting concepts of Christianity. That would be pretty absurd, wouldn't it?

Buddy, the world has accepted it. It's you that hasn't!!!
You have shown, once again, your unwillingness to do any REAL research. If you had researched Joe McMoneagle like you said you had, you would have already known about the russian sub find and others. (try also looking up the work of Ingo Swann). You haven't even checked out the links to sites provided by Teresa. If you had you would have already found the info on the group who are actively assisting law Enforcement with the finding of abducted children.
Yo are just a non believing DEBUNKER!!!
Rational, critical thinking people do give credence to RV because they see the proof in front of them.
It doesn't matter how much info is GIVEN to you or how good that info is, you still wouldn't believe any of it . ADMIT IT!!
Once again, for about the third time, have the decency to do your research. Look at the sites (all of them) that Teresa and others on this thread have provided then get on the net and look up some others yourself. Your a big boy, you should know how to use Google or one of the myriad other search engines, DO THE RESEARCH YOURSELF AND STOP WASTING OUR TIME GETTING US TO YOUR WORK FOR YOU!!!

 

[Jeff Crowell]

C'mon Sandanfire, have you ever read up on Tesla?

I have read up on Tesla, extensively. My point was how will rv solve any true, pressing problems in the current state of society. Of course, the oil companies have crushed any research or innovation regarding alternative energy sources but that's for another post.

Buddy, the world has accepted it. It's you that hasn't!!!

What world are you living in? Until I started researching several aspects of the paranormal about 2 years ago, I'd never heard of remote viewing. Believe me when I say that 99.9% of America's population (if not the worlds) has never heard of remote viewing. In our circles, sure, but outside this interest group rv does not exist.

You have shown, once again, your unwillingness to do any REAL research. If you had researched Joe McMoneagle like you said you had, you would have already known about the russian sub find and others. (try also looking up the work of Ingo Swann). You haven't even checked out the links to sites provided by Teresa. If you had you would have already found the info on the group who are actively assisting law Enforcement with the finding of abducted children.
Yo are just a non believing DEBUNKER!!!
Rational, critical thinking people do give credence to RV because they see the proof in front of them.
It doesn't matter how much info is GIVEN to you or how good that info is, you still wouldn't believe any of it . ADMIT IT!!
Once again, for about the third time, have the decency to do your research. Look at the sites (all of them) that Teresa and others on this thread have provided then get on the net and look up some others yourself. Your a big boy, you should know how to use Google or one of the myriad other search engines, DO THE RESEARCH YOURSELF AND STOP WASTING OUR TIME GETTING US TO YOUR WORK FOR YOU!!!

I've pointedly ignored your comments about my lack of research outside of providing a few links disproving the effectiveness of rv myself. You've cut down those links, attacking instead the skeptics and the links themselves instead of the data they provide (James Randi, etc...) All I will say to that is I have researched others research including government and scientific (specifically physics) resources on which I have built my opinion. Have I actually performed experiments regarding rv myself? no, and I most likely will not due to the waste of time. I can say this, I've read the works and peer reviewed articles regarding rv, and find the evidence for it shallow in these works. In other words, I've researched work done by smarter people than you or I. This isn't an empty opinion regarding rv.

So it comes down to that; I believe your research is over-exaggerated, you believe mine is flawed. I won't change our opinion on rv and you won't change mine. I think that's where were going to remain.

 

[fahrusha]

I mirror your last sentence, and completely agree with it. Honestly, I'm willing to be proven wrong when I see information about a RV session that solved a serious social problem, a crime, or the like on the evening news. I'll be the first one to admit I'm wrong at that point. Until then, I think we can agree to disagree without being disagreeable.

J.

I'll try not to be disagreeable or at least not unpleasant.

 

[Teresa]

Quote:
Originally Posted by swatcher
So where are all the remote viewers when a child gets abducted?


Originally posted by Teresa:

Wondering when the not-remote-viewers will learn to trust us enough to give us a chance and appreciate what we could contribute. Pretty hard to establish credentials or do your best work when you're being flogged.

~Teresa

Can you answer my question? I'm not flogging you, just asking a question LOL. To my knowledge there is no child abduction case that has ever been solved by RV. I think that is very telling.

Remote viewing is being flogged and what is very telling is your "knowledge" of it.

Many remote viewings work pro bono with law enforcement as an adjunct to assist with providing information (see numerous previous references from several sources in this thread). Like any other investigation all information is confidential. When is the last time you walked into your local PD on Saturday morning with a cup of Starbucks and asked the officers to entertain you with details? Sometimes cases take years to solve. Why would you think this would be any different?

I've had the priviledge of spending a little time with Pam Coronado at the IRVA conference in 2007. Maybe you haven't heard of her. She works with the FBI and filmed the television series Sensing Murder. Not sure how her caseload is today, but in 2007 she said she had a backlog of missing children cases.

In the remote viewing community family tree, Pam is a student of the legendary (yes, legendary) Bevy Jaegers. Lyn knew her well.

Pam Coronado Case Files: FBI / Washington D.C. Snipers
http://www.pamcoronado.com/caseFiles.htm

Pam Coronado Missing Persons: Gordon Hettrick Found
http://www.pamcoronado.com/missingPersons.htm

About Pam:
http://www.pamcoronado.com/aboutPam.htm

Bevy Jaegers on remote viewing:
http://www.akashicuniversity.com/articles/RemoteViewingBJ.htm

and last, Jeff Rense on Bevy Jaegers. The last line is particularly "telling."

Her proudest achievement, however, was establishing her US Psi Squad which is renowned for helping scores of US police agencies crack many 'unsolvable' crimes and thereby bring the quilty to justice. The Squad is comprised of a group of talented remote viewers and sensitives including a substantial number of current and retired law enforcement officers. -Jeff Rense

http://www.rense.com/general18/obit.htm

~Teresa

 

[Teresa]

Until I started researching several aspects of the paranormal about 2 years ago, I'd never heard of remote viewing. Believe me when I say that 99.9% of America's population (if not the worlds) has never heard of remote viewing. In our circles, sure, but outside this interest group rv does not exist.

Have your people call my people. Most of them would be happy to discuss public relations and interview possibilities.

~Teresa

 

[Teresa]

The question regarding child abductions was not addressed by the doe-eyed remote viewing believers on this post, either.

I'm sure you weren't including me in your working definition of doe-eyed. Trust me, life was a lot easier when I was.

Teresa
http://www.aestheticimpact.com/HigherStates_CompassLady.html

 

[The Pair of Cats]

Remote viewing is being flogged and what is very telling is your "knowledge" of it.

Many remote viewings work pro bono with law enforcement as an adjunct to assist with providing information (see numerous previous references from several sources in this thread). Like any other investigation all information is confidential. When is the last time you walked into your local PD on Saturday morning with a cup of Starbucks and asked the officers to entertain you with details? Sometimes cases take years to solve. Why would you think this would be any different?

I've had the priviledge of spending a little time with Pam Coronado at the IRVA conference in 2007. Maybe you haven't heard of her. She works with the FBI and filmed the television series Sensing Murder. Not sure how her caseload is today, but in 2007 she said she had a backlog of missing children cases.

In the remote viewing community family tree, Pam is a student of the legendary (yes, legendary) Bevy Jaegers. Lyn knew her well.

Pam Coronado Case Files: FBI / Washington D.C. Snipers
http://www.pamcoronado.com/caseFiles.htm

Pam Coronado Missing Persons: Gordon Hettrick Found
http://www.pamcoronado.com/missingPersons.htm

About Pam:
http://www.pamcoronado.com/aboutPam.htm

Bevy Jaegers on remote viewing:
http://www.akashicuniversity.com/articles/RemoteViewingBJ.htm

and last, Jeff Rense on Bevy Jaegers. The last line is particularly "telling."

http://www.rense.com/general18/obit.htm

~Teresa

Teresa. Once again thank you for your time and effort in bringing forward all the links and info. Hopefully some of the doubting thomas types may even spend some time and have a look at them. Although I think the one for Bevy Jaegers comes up with a blank page.
Thanks also to you, Farusha, on the info that you have provided and the calm demeanor that comes across in your posts.