Russian combat helicopters crossing the border of Ukraine

[manxman]

breath-taking the sheer hypocracy..

john kerry

"You just don't in the 21st Century behave in 19th Century fashion by invading another country on completely trumped-up pretext," Mr Kerry told the CBS program Face the Nation.

 

[Polterwurst]

Maybe he should have added something like "unless someone gave you some totally convincing blueprints of a mobile WMD factory".

 

[Jeff Crowell]

Notice how CNN conveniently neglects to mention the five billion dollars the U.S. has spent destabilizing Ukraine with rent-a-mobs and funding for Svoboda Neo-Nazi groups..

What's your source for this information?

 

[Charlie Prime]

What's your source for this information?

I got it from United States Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland.

She is a Neo-Conservative from the line of Irving Kristol, Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc. who brought us the Iraq War. They envision Hitler's goal of a one-world government run by corporations, a.k.a. Fascism, the melding of corporate and state power.

Here is Nuland speaking at a business conference in D.C. on 13 December...

 

[mike]

Prime Minister Tony Abbott has told Russia to "back off" in its incursions into Ukraine, saying they are not the actions of a friend and neighbour.
Commenting on the escalating crisis which has seen US President Barack Obama tell President Vladimir Putin that Russia has violated international law, and warn of reprisals, Mr Abbott said events were "very, very concerning".
"I think that every Australian, I think that people right around the world would be thinking right now, `Hands off the Ukraine'," he told Network Ten on Sunday.
"This is not the kind of action of a friend and neighbour, and really Russia should back off."

Hands off Ukraine, Abbott tells Russia

Opinion: I'm disapointed Russia would decide to make a bad situation worse.
Prediction: They (Russia) will do what they want, the west wont do much more than complain about it, and the only variable will be the amount of blood shed.

As has been said, one shot and its all on, the Russians will crush the Ukraine army and currently forming militias.

 

[Charlie Prime]

I agree. The idea NATO would go into Ukraine is about as silly as Russia invading Mexico. Imagine the howls and gnashing of teeth on CNNFox if it were discovered that Russia spent a single peso funding "protesters" and "opposition" in Mexico like the U.S. does world-wide.

The hypocrisy is staggering.

The Anglo-American bankers will continue to funding the destabilization terrorists in Ukraine, Syria, and Venezuela.

More innocent farmers and shop keepers will get slaughtered by young soldiers "serving their country". Click click click. The control system grows.

 

[mike]

We have been here before though, sort of. The somewhat similar scenario of the Georgia-Russia war in August 2008 came and went with little impact. The Dow Jones Index bumbled along that month while Wall Street was building towards its own much greater crisis – Lehman Brothers collapsed the next month.
Despite some naïve suggestions of the US needing to act tough or make demands about what Russia can or can't do, the reality is that the west is less likely to become militarily involved in Ukraine's woes than it was in Georgia's.

Besides, it might sound an insensitive thing to say, but Ukraine is not worth fighting over – unless, of course, you are Ukrainian. The country is important for a number of reasons and to a number of parties, but it's not so important to any one player as to risk greater conflict and everyone is better off if is more or less left to itself. A Businessweek feature on "the New Great Game" summed it up neatly:


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/comment-and-analysis/what-ukraine-might-mean-for-markets-20140303-33ue4.html#ixzz2uqXTakpx

 

[Burnt State]

Because Chevron and Royal Dutch Shell (IMF tools) have not started fracking the Ukraine yet.

Ukraine holds promise for shale gas despite uncertainty - CSMonitor.com

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/06/b...evron-and-ukraine-sign-deal-on-shale-gas.html

BS, you really should watch the Dr. Farrell video I posted above.

While I wouldn't deny that everyone wants their corporation in there making the money I think that of the two driving forces behind this event Farrell only hits on one which is the strategic significance of Crimea and its ethnic Russian population. He doesn't speak enough at all about Putin's desire for a North Pan Asian economic powerhouse that would include those parts of the Ukraine that historically represent the birth of the Russian empire.

And where he tends to place too much conspiracist emphasis on the covert actions of foreign interests he completely misses the picture on the internal strife & on the street battles that are more about allegiances and the histories of sovereignty and independent nationalism - people want to be under independent Ukranian rule. That's the real history of Eastern Europe is it not? All the many battles, wars, and genocides in that region for the last 80 years have been about establishing national identities as opposed to fake constructions like Czechoslovakia and other Russian imposed rule in the region.

 

[Charlie Prime]

Good, valid points BS.

There is a bloc of bankers that opposes the New York / London / Berlin side of things, but I don't understand them well. I suspect the BRICS organization is their IMF counter. Farrell speaks of it sometimes, but you are right, not in that video, and it is a factor.

I don't believe he misses ethnic identity and nationalism as factors. They just aren't the primary drivers here. In this little dust-up they are tools used by the big boys on both sides, not important drivers.

 

[Kieran]

I know it's from the "lame-stream media" for all you conspiracy types, but here's a nice little breakdown of what's going on over there.

Is it bad that I just watched The Day After last night and if you replace "Germany" with "Ukraine" this situation sort of resembles what happened in the movie just before the nuclear exchange? Ultimately, though, what Russia is doing here is nothing less than what we did in Iraq when we invaded... both times! We were "protecting our interests".

I say we enforce the sanctions to show our disapproval of the invasion then keep our damn noses out of it. It's America poking our butts in where they don't belong as to why we're so unpopular on a global scale. Apply the sanctions, politically work with both sides and the UN towards a resolution, and otherwise keep out of it.

My 2 cents.

J.

A treaty signed in 1994 by the US and Britain could pull both countries into a war to protect Ukraine if President Putin's troops cross into the country.

Bill Clinton, John Major, Boris Yeltsin and Leonid Kuchma – the then-rulers of the USA, UK, Russia and Ukraine - agreed to the The Budapest Memorandum as part of the denuclearization of former Soviet republics after the dissolution of the Soviet Union.

Technically it means that if Russia has invaded Ukraine then it would be difficult for the US and Britain to avoid going to war.

Treaty would mean 'British war with Russia' if Putin's troops intervene in Ukraine | Mail Online


Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lets hope Nato doesn't get involved and lets hope Russia doesn't push further into Ukraine?

 

[boomerang]

Filter out the shouting and posturing, and this is close to a no-brainer. Western looking residents of the Ukraine have the misfortune to live in Russia's backyard. A positive ending here seems difficult to imagine.

 

[stonehart]

I agree. The idea NATO would go into Ukraine is about as silly as Russia invading Mexico. Imagine the howls and gnashing of teeth on CNNFox if it were discovered that Russia spent a single peso funding "protesters" and "opposition" in Mexico like the U.S. does world-wide.

The hypocrisy is staggering.

The Anglo-American bankers will continue to funding the destabilization terrorists in Ukraine, Syria, and Venezuela.

More innocent farmers and shop keepers will get slaughtered by young soldiers "serving their country". Click click click. The control system grows.

Well will you look at that who would of thought a nation would invade another on a pretext... must be the first time its happened eh USA?

Sorry I had to say that, its just an example of the same thing America has indulged in people and Charlie has said about what I would have.

But this is an extremely dangerous situation indeed have no doubt.

anyway..............

 

[stonehart]

Not sure if this has been posted but if not then read this:

Ukraine: A Deep State Analysis | Zero Hedge

 

[manxman]

america wont go to full-scale war with any nation thats capable of bringing that war to america itself, and destroying cities and infrastructure, it just wont happen.

china would sit and watch them weaken each other, destroying their economies, and then take russia's side, and stamp america back to the dark ages, assuming the american hierarchy hadnt started lobbing nukes about, which i wouldnt be surprised at, then that's the end for all of us, so the yanks will use their NATO mask, to wage war in europe at most.

 

[Charlie Prime]

Can you imagine what would happen if E.U. bankers paid American Neo-Nazis to do this to Washington D.C. ?

 

[nameless]

Is that a missile I hear?

 

[mike]

Can you imagine what would happen if E.U. bankers paid American Neo-Nazis to do this to Washington D.C. ?

The before and after series is heartbreaking, almost as bad as the destruction in Syria

Ukraine protests: Before and after photos from Kiev's battle zone - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

 

[ALPHA ROMEO UNIFORM]

Don't underestimate the tools of the US! and it's allies! Kieran

 

[manxman]

anyone that believe's russia ever really let go of it's empire, or will ever let go of it, are soft in the head.

 

[Burnt State]

And the same old tools of empire are being used, Putin denying those are actual Russian soldiers in Crimea. So is he really "delusional" and "detached from reality" as other world leaders have speculated? Is he just pushing the tension lines now to see what will happen next? Isn't he worried about his own country's economic status, because he obviously doesn't care about being an outcast in the globe, yet again. History repeats itself - pretty sad, given what a long way Russia has come to work with the west.