TARP II. Or... BOHICA!!!

[pixelsmith]

rememember Obama has 76% approval rating

wait a few more months. obama is not our saviour. he is a judas goat.

 

[Zandroid]

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[Tommy Allison]

I look at it this way.

What better person to put the blame on, when it comes to an Epic Failure of the American Economy?

We watched an unprecedented shift and redistribution of wealth from the United States, to The Middle East, over the last 8 years. The thing that is most interesting, is WHO was enriched on the backs of the American People.

 

[Stillborn]

I look at it this way.

What better person to put the blame on, when it comes to an Epic Failure of the American Economy?

We watched an unprecedented shift and redistribution of wealth from the United States, to The Middle East, over the last 8 years. The thing that is most interesting, is WHO was enriched on the backs of the American People.

I don't know much about the economic situation, but it seems the war backfired on us. This correct? If it is, sad people in power were so short sighted. I recall a vid where Bin Lidan said he did 9/11 so we would go to war and have the economy collapse. If true, another pity one man outsmarted many Americans.

 

[Tommy Allison]

I am of the mind that terrorism is a tool used by the elites to bring about changes that destroy freedom, and prosperity.

You don't see poor people handing other poor people money, to put bombs on themselves to blow up other poor people.

Terrorism only works, when it's directed at the people who are making other people suffer. If a Terrorist blows up a house with a bunch of world leaders, THAT, would make sense. The oppressed would then be striking out at those who have been living at their expense.

Instead, we have terrorists, who have the ability to procure MILLIONS of dollars on a whim, who go out and kill Innocent Bystanders and just regular people. Whose purpose does that serve? It doesn't serve the interest of the common person who is losing their family, it serves those who have those millions of dollars, because in order to stop the terrorism, they will need more power, and you will have to have less freedom.

All of the legislation passed after 9-11 happened, Patriot Acts I and II, were drawn up during the Clinton administration as a response to the Oklahoma City Bombing. They couldn't get it passed, but they did managed to destroy the people who were in Militias, and marginalize them.

It created a climate where anyone owning a gun, a Mean looking gun, should be considered a terrorist. I, as a responsible gun owner am on a list, just like anyone else who buys guns, and ammunition. Not because we're criminals, but because we're now suspects of the state.

Right now, they're trying to ram through legislation that will take the firearms away from MILLIONS of people who are just your regular run of the mill sportsmen, or hunters. All because there is a concerted effort to remove that threat to government.

What is coming over the next couple of years will stagger the mind. They want a NAU by 2010. How many people who fought for a sovereign America are going to allow that to come to fruition?

You think your taxes are high now, just wait. The time to stop the boomer politicians is NOW. They need to be removed from office, prosecuted as traitors and tossed into a deep dark prison cell somewhere, because all they are doing, is taking us from what was once America, and turning us into the beginning stages of the third Reich.

 

[pixelsmith]

well said. unfortunately most people here will tell you to take your tin foil hat off.

 

[Tommy Allison]

Title: RAW DATA: Full Senate Finance Committee Report on Daschle
Source: FAUX (Fox) News
URL Source: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/01/31/raw-data-senate-finance-committee-report-daschle/
Published: Jan 31, 2009
Author: Statement from the Senate Finance Commit


Statement from the Senate Finance Committee on the Nomination of Thomas A. Daschle:
Thomas A. Daschle recently filed amended tax returns for 2005, 2006 and 2007 reporting $128,203 in additional tax and $11,964 in interest. The adjustments resulted from additional income for consulting services and the use of a car service, and reductions in charitable contribution deductions. Senator Daschle filed the amended returns voluntarily after Barack Obama announced his intention to nominate the senator to be the Secretary of Health and Human Services. The Presidential Transition Team identified the charitable contribution issue and Senator Daschle self-identified the income adjustments.
Senator Daschle paid his long-time personal accountant to prepare his original and amended tax returns for years 2005, 2006 and 2007. All returns were filed jointly with his spouse. The 2006 tax return was examined by the Internal Revenue Service. Senator Daschle was represented during the IRS examination by his accountant. The senator did not have any personal contact with the IRS examiner. The IRS did not propose any adjustments to Senator Daschles tax return and accepted it as filed.
Tax Adjustments
Background
On January 2, 2009, Thomas A. Daschle filed amended tax returns for 2005, 2006 and 2007 to report the following adjustments:
Unreported income from the use of a car service in the amounts of $73,031, $89,129 and $93,096 in 2005, 2006 and 2007, respectively.
Unreported consulting income of $83,333 in 2007.
Reductions to charitable contribution deductions of $1,500, $7,575 and $5,888 in 2005, 2006 and 2007, respectively.
The car service and the consulting income were received in connection with Senator Daschles business relationship with InterMedia Advisors. The table on the next page shows the additional income and reduced deductions, tax and interest the senator reported with each amended return.
Finance Committee Staff reviewed Senator Daschles original and amended returns for tax years 2005, 2006 and 2007. Staff requested information to substantiate several items on the returns and has completed the review of this data. Senator Daschle met personally with staff on January 26, 2009 and his accountant participated in the meeting via telephone. Telephone interviews were conducted with the InterMedia General Counsel and Accounts Payable clerk on January 29, 2009.
Car Service Income
Senator Daschle is a limited partner in InterMedia Partners of Englewood, CO and Chairman of its Executive Advisory Board. Senator Daschle also is an independent consultant to InterMedia Advisors, LLP of New York City. He entered into a business relationship with InterMedia in February, 2005. Beginning in April, 2005, the senator was provided the use of a car and driver by Mr. Leo Hindery, the Managing Partner of InterMedia. In addition to being business partners, Mr. Hindery and Senator Daschle have been personal friends for many years. Charges for the car and the services of the driver were billed to InterMedia. InterMedia did not issue Senator Daschle a Form 1099 for the value of the car service and Senator Daschle did not report the value of the car service as income on his original tax returns for 2005, 2006 and 2007.
Senator Daschle told staff that in June, 2008, something made him think that the car service might be taxable and he disclosed the arrangement to his accountant. Under Section 132 of the Internal Revenue Code, the value of transportation services provided for personal use must be included in income. Senator Daschle estimated that he used the car and driver 80% for personal use and 20% for business use. On January 2, 2009, Senator Daschle filed amended returns for 2005, 2006 and 2007 reporting the value of the car service as income. He did not pay self-employment tax on the personal value of the service. It was determined during the Committee review of Senator Daschles returns that the personal value of the car service is subject to self-employment tax. The senator has acknowledged that the 2005, 2006 and 2007 tax returns will need to be adjusted to pay the applicable Medicare taxes of 2.9% of the personal value of the service.
Consulting Income
Senator Daschles consulting arrangement with InterMedia Advisors provided that the senator be paid $83,333 per month ($1,000,000 per year) for his services. Senator Daschle received a Form 1099 from InterMedia Advisors each year reporting income from consulting fees, bonuses and reimbursements. The 2007 Form 1099 did not include the May, 2007 payment for consulting fees in the amount of $83,333. Senator Daschles accountant told Committee staff that at the time he was preparing the senators 2007 tax return he thought the Form 1099 might be understated. Staff reviewed e-mails between the accountant and Senator Daschle from March, 2008 discussing the amount reported on the Form 1099 and whether any payments were missing. Senator Daschle told the accountant that the January, 2007 check was received in December of 2006, and that was why the 2007 Form 1099 reported only 11 monthly payments. However, during the January 29, 2009 teleconference, InterMedia personnel told Committee staff they were unaware of any times when Senator Daschle was paid earlier than the first Friday of the month. The amount on the 2007 Form 1099 matched Senator Daschles personal records of payments received from InterMedia Advisors in 2007. Neither included the missing payment. The accountant did not pursue the matter further and reported the 2007 1099 amount on the Daschles 2007 Form 1040.
In December, 2008, the senators accountant contacted InterMedia while compiling information for Senator Daschles financial disclosure reports. InterMedia then discovered that the May, 2007 consulting fee payment had been omitted from the Form 1099 and notified the accountant. InterMedia personnel explained to Committee staff that the regular accounts payable (AP) clerk was on maternity leave when the May payment was due The temporary AP clerk completed a wire-transfer for the payment to the senator instead of following the usual procedure of issuing a check on the first Friday of each month. The wire-transfer was not posted to the normal InterMedia account and therefore it was not included in the 2007 Form 1099 that was issued. Senator Daschle reported the $83,333 missed payment as income on the amended 2007 tax return. InterMedia Advisors filed a corrected Form 1099 on January 7, 2009.
Charitable Contributions
During the vetting process, the Presidential Transition Team identified certain donations that did not qualify as charitable deductions because they were not paid to qualifying organizations. Senator Daschle adjusted his contribution deductions on his amended returns for 2005, 2006 and 2007 to remove these amounts and add additional contributions
Outstanding Issues
Committee staff still is reviewing whether travel and entertainment services provided to the Daschles by EduCap, Inc., Catherine B. Reynolds Foundation, Academy Achievement, and Loan to Learn should be reported as income.
In response to Committee staff inquiries, the senator provided additional documentation for the Daschles charitable contributions for 2005, 2006, 2007. Staff notes that while copies of checks were provided, the proper donee acknowledgement for contributions over $250 was not provided for many of the charitable contributions as required for deductibility. The returns were not amended for these amounts.





On a side note...

In addition to being business partners, Mr. Hindery and Senator Daschle have been personal friends for many years ​

Hindley was part of the Global Crossing fraud. Winnick and his Canadian banker friends (who all met working for Milken in the 80s) made over $3 billion shorting their own company. Stockholders and creditors lost tens of billions. The company was sold in bankruptcy to Hutchinson Whampoa...a Chinese company run by the largest shareholder of the Canadian bank which fronted the money to create Global Crossing.
The deal was a con from the start. DNC Chairman Terry McAuliffe made about $18 million on deal.
China got a nice fiber optic system for pennies on the dollar that American and other investors built. .

 

[CapnG]

Right now, they're trying to ram through legislation that will take the firearms away from MILLIONS of people who are just your regular run of the mill sportsmen, or hunters. All because there is a concerted effort to remove that threat to government.

Serious question: Do you honestly believe that the people who have access to unmanned drones, over-the-horizon mortars, non-lethal microwave weapons and satellites that can read a newspaper from space actually care if John Q. Public has a pop gun in his dresser drawer? And that's just the stuff we know about, not taking into account whatever the hell they're rolling out of places like Area 51 (aliens or not) RIGHT NOW.

You want to fight for your rights, that's fine I get that. But you do yourselves a disservice by assuming your enemy will be kind enough to present you with a target.

turning us into the beginning stages of the third Reich.

Technically fourth or (given the Bush family history) a continuation of the third. Take your pick.

 

[Tommy Allison]

Serious question: Do you honestly believe that the people who have access to unmanned drones, over-the-horizon mortars, non-lethal microwave weapons and satellites that can read a newspaper from space actually care if John Q. Public has a pop gun in his dresser drawer? And that's just the stuff we know about, not taking into account whatever the hell they're rolling out of places like Area 51 (aliens or not) RIGHT NOW.

You want to fight for your rights, that's fine I get that. But you do yourselves a disservice by assuming your enemy will be kind enough to present you with a target.



Technically fourth or (given the Bush family history) a continuation of the third. Take your pick.

There will always be a need for boots on the ground. There will always be a need for people to assert dominance, and you simply cannot do that from above. There will ALWAYS be targets of opportunity, and they ALWAYS have to show themselves sometime.

As far as a continuation of the third Reich, I've come to the conclusion that this is something that is an ongoing cycle. A nation becomes powerful, then it becomes evil. The evil grows, until it permeates every facet of society, and then that society implodes.

 

[AnnetteMarie]

just off the top of my head, Germany was not so powerful just before it became "evil", or more accurately, ruled by an evil man and his choir...

Their money was so worthless, they would take wheelbarrows of notes to the store just to buy a loaf of bread; often, when they arrived, their currency had devalued so much, the money they had wheelded down there, was no longer enough to pay for that loaf.

Germany was on its knees, broke, starving, and unable to see any hope for a future for their children.

Hitler began orating, drawing crowds, fixing blame on a particular group of people in their society, at first, alluding to an anonymous group, then as he was given more credibility, and more loyal followers, he began to be more specific. He pointed his finger here, there, and most specifically, towards the Jews. The rest of the non-Aryan types were not exempt, as witness what was done to Poland.

Before WWII, he had most of the people in Germany, if not accepting, then allowing through fear of retribution, his statements that all the country's ills could be cured, if they would just clean up their bloodlines.

THAT is why that evil man was able to take so much power; he found somebody in the minority to blame for all the ills befallen their country and they looked upon him like a saviour, blindly following him towards prosperity and the almighty buck, until he had them by the throat. At that point, even though they recognized what he had done and was doing, they could not openly fight back.

That is what I remember from school.

What I get from that now that I am older, is that worshipping security, money, possessions, only makes you vulnerable to doing whatever is expedient to protect retention of same.

 

[CapnG]

There will always be a need for boots on the ground. There will always be a need for people to assert dominance, and you simply cannot do that from above. There will ALWAYS be targets of opportunity, and they ALWAYS have to show themselves sometime.

True but usually you'd employ groundtroops principally AFTER crushing intial resistance, confiscating weapons and rounding up trouble makers (blitzkrieg first, SS second). Also, absolute media control means any resistance will be framed in the context of the government dealing with "domestic terrorist cells" (assuming it gets any coverage at all) set to patriotic music and smeared with flashy graphics.

 

[Tommy Allison]

just off the top of my head, Germany was not so powerful just before it became "evil", or more accurately, ruled by an evil man and his choir...

Their money was so worthless, they would take wheelbarrows of notes to the store just to buy a loaf of bread; often, when they arrived, their currency had devalued so much, the money they had wheelded down there, was no longer enough to pay for that loaf.

Germany was on its knees, broke, starving, and unable to see any hope for a future for their children.

Hitler began orating, drawing crowds, fixing blame on a particular group of people in their society, at first, alluding to an anonymous group, then as he was given more credibility, and more loyal followers, he began to be more specific. He pointed his finger here, there, and most specifically, towards the Jews. The rest of the non-Aryan types were not exempt, as witness what was done to Poland.

Before WWII, he had most of the people in Germany, if not accepting, then allowing through fear of retribution, his statements that all the country's ills could be cured, if they would just clean up their bloodlines.

THAT is why that evil man was able to take so much power; he found somebody in the minority to blame for all the ills befallen their country and they looked upon him like a saviour, blindly following him towards prosperity and the almighty buck, until he had them by the throat. At that point, even though they recognized what he had done and was doing, they could not openly fight back.

That is what I remember from school.

What I get from that now that I am older, is that worshipping security, money, possessions, only makes you vulnerable to doing whatever is expedient to protect retention of same.

I agree on your last point. Living for the accumulation of wealth, as opposed to knowledge has created a nation of braindead morons who couldn't tell you the difference between National Socialism, Socialism, Communism, and a Republic.

The Germany prior to Hitler was a Republic. Which was dismantled piece by piece after the breaking of Germany's economy. You're right. When people have to take a wheelbarrow of Marks to the local market to buy bread, it tells you something. People were wallpapering their homes with them. It was also the greatest redistribution of wealth carried out against the German People, EVER.

Germany was destitute after World War I, and were locked in a never ending cycle of inflation, because their currency had been devalued. The IMF, and the World Bank, broke Germany's ability to repay its debts. Imagine owing someone 100 dollars. They charge you interest to the tune of 10 percent of the principal every day. Imagine your currency going from a one to one exchange, to a 100 to one exchange rate. Then imagine the demands made on the people of the nation in question. When the first world war broke out, there was a push to create the League Of Nations. It failed. The second war of course started where? Germany. Here's why.

The Material Wealth, and Intellectual Capability of Europe was largely concentrated in Germany. All the best engineers, scholars, and of course, bankers were in where? Germany. You had a population of people who already had the infrastructure in place, and all the industrial capability to make war on very short notice.

The Notion that Germany was weak prior to Hitler coming to power is incorrect because even before Hitler came to power, there were people behind the scenes rebuilding it. They did away with their currency being valued by Gold, and instead replaced it with a currency based on the premise of labor, and that drove Germany back up within less than 3 years. 3 YEARS. When, Hitler came to power, Their currency was valuable, and by 1937, they had plenty of people in the United States, and Europe all helping Adolf and Company put his machine together.

When Hitler succeeded Von Hindenburg that's when all the crazy stuff happened. Not because Hitler was crazy, but because the people behind the scenes were crazy.

Hitler was a figurehead. The people who have written the History Books omit the fact that Hitler was just a puppet, who after he had served his purpose, was allowed to be crushed and swept away. The people who pretend to hold sway over the people, have no sway at all. Whomever controls your money, controls you. Your ability to make war, is only as far reaching as the banker who will let you carry it out.

Take a look at Wall Street, and you'll what I'm saying is true.

Another thing to look at, is who Hitler was surrounded by when he started out. He was a construct. One NAME is all you need to know, and that name is Deitrich Eckhart. That man made Hitler, and paved the way for him, which is why Mein Kampf was dedicated to him.

When you take a look at the circles that Eckhart ran in, and who his friends were, you see a laundry list of international bankers, and government employees.

It boggles the mind that people would get behind someone like Adolf Hitler. Then again, would they have gotten behind a guy named Schickelgruber?

 

[Tommy Allison]

Title: Chinese gear up to buy U.S. homes
Source: People's Daily Online/Xinhua
URL Source: http://english.people.com.cn/90001/90776/90883/6582931.html
Published: Feb 1, 2009
Author: No Attribution


Attracted by the real estate plunge on the other side of the globe, Chinese homebuyers are gearing up for visits to the United States in February to buy cheap homes, the English language newspaper China Daily reported in its weekend issue.
A pioneering house-buying team of 20 to 30 people, organized by Soufun.com, one of the largest real estate portals in China, is scheduled to leave for the United States on Feb. 12, according to an article on Soufun.com.
It is said more than 300 Chinese have registered so far on the website for a 10-day house-buying trip.
The U.S. mortgage crisis and the downturn in the global economy have presented people with a golden opportunity, said Liu Jian, an official of the Beijing-based real estate portal.
The trip, which costs up to 25,000 yuan (3,500 U.S. dollars) per person, will focus on cities with huge ethnic Chinese populations including San Francisco, Los Angeles, Las Vegas and New York, Liu said.
The prices of houses targeted by Chinese buyers are between 3 million to 5 million yuan (400,000 to 700,000 U.S. dollars), he said.
The applicants include real estate professionals who want to investigate in the U.S. real estate market, and parents who want to buy houses for their children studying or to study in the United States.

 

[AnnetteMarie]

thanks Tommy, for the 5-minute history lesson

Giving the masses something to blame their woes on is an ongoing tactic. Substitute terrorists for Jews, and the panic and fear created after the destruction of the World Trade Center is rather similar, would you agree?

We have a population that is being herded into doing just about anything to protect itself from the terrorist threat, we are talked into seeing them around every corner, giving up rights and freedoms in order to allow the government to protect us.

Any one who disagrees with such, 'sound, logical, prudent' precautions taken by our governments, is made out to be an idiot, communist, whatever the insult of the month happens to be.

What sounds logical today in reaction to terrorist threats, will be proven in hindsight to be an ongoing series of mistakes.

 

[CapnG]

Giving the masses something to blame their woes on is an ongoing tactic. Substitute terrorists for Jews, and the panic and fear created after the destruction of the World Trade Center is rather similar, would you agree?

I do believe Hitler actually used the term "terrorism" to describe the Reichstag Fire, Annette. Everything old is new again...

 

[skunkape]

Title: Chinese gear up to buy U.S. homes

The applicants include real estate professionals who want to investigate in the U.S. real estate market, and parents who want to buy houses for their children studying or to study in the United States.

I think the Chinese government sucks just as bad as the U.S. government...they just don't bother with prettying up the picture so much. Wouldn't surprise me a bit to find out both teams are in bed at the top.
As far as having Chinese neighbors goes though, I say bring'em on. I've had Vietnamese, Korean, and Chinese friends, and they were all very good folks.

 

[cottonzway]

Tommy is just a "crazy conspiracy theorist" who clearly doesn't know what he is talking about. Don't listen to him. He is just a nutter. People like him should be taken to jail or some camps. Terrorists IMO. Un-American traitors.

*this post MAY contain heavy sarsacm or you may be a stupid fool if you cannot read between the lines*

 

[Tommy Allison]

I think the Chinese government sucks just as bad as the U.S. government...they just don't bother with prettying up the picture so much. Wouldn't surprise me a bit to find out both teams are in bed at the top.
As far as having Chinese neighbors goes though, I say bring'em on. I've had Vietnamese, Korean, and Chinese friends, and they were all very good folks.

I'm sure you've had good and bad. We've all had good and bad neighbors.

I'm more concerned about the notion that they would essentially repopulate America with Chinese, and oust us.

Chief Red Cloud said that what the White Man does to the Native Americans, would be done to them someday.

The fact that the same people who have manipulated economies, countries and people since the dawn of time, have consistently been able to retain their power over the sheep that they continually destroy, tells me that there is clearly a two level human society.

I read Huxley's Brave New World, and saw that instead of some people being selected to be alphas, betas, gammas and deltas, that really there's only a few alphas, and the rest are deltas BY CHOICE.

How disgusting is that? To engineer a society and reward servitude and stupidity?

 

[Tommy Allison]

thanks Tommy, for the 5-minute history lesson

Giving the masses something to blame their woes on is an ongoing tactic. Substitute terrorists for Jews, and the panic and fear created after the destruction of the World Trade Center is rather similar, would you agree?

We have a population that is being herded into doing just about anything to protect itself from the terrorist threat, we are talked into seeing them around every corner, giving up rights and freedoms in order to allow the government to protect us.

Any one who disagrees with such, 'sound, logical, prudent' precautions taken by our governments, is made out to be an idiot, communist, whatever the insult of the month happens to be.

What sounds logical today in reaction to terrorist threats, will be proven in hindsight to be an ongoing series of mistakes.

Sorry if it was a lecture. I didn't mean for it to be one. History I have found by and large is rarely honest or accurate. There's something about human beings that like to take the past, and make it palatable, as opposed to telling the honest hand to God truth.

What galls me about history, is that no matter how much you teach the truth, people still fall for the same tricks over and over again.

 

[Tommy Allison]

Tommy is just a "crazy conspiracy theorist" who clearly doesn't know what he is talking about. Don't listen to him. He is just a nutter. People like him should be taken to jail or some camps. Terrorists IMO. Un-American traitors.

*this post MAY contain heavy sarsacm or you may be a stupid fool if you cannot read between the lines*

I could be nuts. Then again, I see the world a lot differently than most people do, and am not afraid to speak my thoughts, even though I probably should think twice before I do.