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The Clueless One Your No Better Than Greer. And you just care about selling your MOVIE.

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The Clueless One Your No Better Than Greer. And you just care about selling your MOVI

Lavarat said:
I was wondering how a guy like Vaeni who runs "The Culture of Contact" and does his own, diplomacy to the alien format that sucks is qualified to input weak annoying complaints about another person "Greer" who does the same thing.

Lavarat -

What gives? Did Greer put a little bit of his spoiled mayonnaise, or is it man-aise,on your retard sandwich?

Bottomline... I've spent and evening with Greer at one of his camp outs. It was probably one of the dumbest things I've *ever* experienced. The guy has been on he same schtick for well over a decade now. He's full of shit and borderline creepy.

I also met Jeremy at the last X-Conference as well as listened to a good chunk of his podcasts. Without sharing both of their experiences I can't say anything is 100% for certain, all I can speak for is their personalities and what they communicate. Jeremy, Gene and Dave, IMHO, have some of the highest credibility in the "field".
 
The Clueless One Your No Better Than Greer. And you just care about selling your MOVI

Lavarat said:
jritzmann said:
Lavarat said:
I was wondering how a guy like Vaeni who runs "The Culture of Contact" and does his own, diplomacy to the alien format that sucks is qualified to input weak annoying complaints about another person "Greer" who does the same thing.

Jeremy your movie your promoting "I know why the aliens dont land".

Do you have any collaborated proof? Are you in a position to lash out your personal mental issues on Greer because you dont have anything better to do?

Sounds like we have a Greertard in our midst. Thats about the most brainless comparison I've seen yet. Sounds like some little fella is lashing out cause his Hero got himself exposed as the bullshit artist he is.

I enjoyed the Paracast until Vaeni had the idea of coming on hoping to burn Greer. Sadly it ended up making Vaeni look bad.

I find you Ritzman to many claims of your own experiences that are a result of your inflated ego, yet you have nothing at all the prove anything.

You make this seem like high school all over again.

I will say this right now. A few years ago I was a fan of Greer. The only thing I really knew about him was the Disclosure project press conference that I saw on google. I was really impressed with that, because it appeared to be dealing with data from credible people.

When I first started listening to the Paracast, Paul kimball came on the forums and started really bad mouthing him. It also appeared that Paul was shilling his documentry footage and that made it even worse. I of course defended Greer and a few or us told Paul to kindly leave.

Then I started hearing the same things over and over from different people so I did a little investigation and I realized I was defending the leader of the Earths delegation into the Galactic Federation. So needless to say I started doing a little research before I blindly defended someone.

I wonder if anyone in his group are collecting Leader beans? ( Simpsons fans out there, anyone anyone?).

The point I'm trying miserably to make Lavarat is that you need to come back from the darkside. There is a free cookie in it for you.


And Ron I don't think Lavarat is Greer. There isn't enough disk space on the forum boards to accommodate his post.
 
The Clueless One Your No Better Than Greer. And you just care about selling your MOVI

Lavarat said:
I find you Ritzman to many claims of your own experiences that are a result of your inflated ego, yet you have nothing at all the prove anything.

Seriously, what are you saying?? There is nothing wrong with having an opinion, but try being coherent (understandable). Read what you are writing and ask yourself if it makes sense. Lashing out at Jeremy and Jeff serves no purpose. Jeff, so far as I can tell, has been nothing but honest about his experiences. He doesn't claim to know anything for sure. So what is this about his Ego?? I just do not get it.

Now while Greer may be a liar, exaggerator, or delusional (or all 3) I think there is more to be said about him. I think there are some nuggets that may prove useful. There is no doubt that he DID assemble probably the best conference pertaining to UFO's (2001) even with all the bozos.

He certainly has had some discourse with high level people. This leads me to believe that perhaps someone has imparted some real knowledge to him. Of course it gets all mucked up with the garbage he is spewing. Is he a TOTAL LIAR?? I don't think so. I think there is some truth to be had from him, but again is caught up in that sticky web of lies and deceit.

What really happened with the CIA Director?? Maybe and probably nothing as the letter stated from him(woosely, is that it??). Of course wouldn't you expect this if what Greer was saying were true?? Or even not true. I would expect that Greer exaggerated or perhaps made everything up, except for the fact that he WAS present. Why was he present??

What have the other credible witnesses of the Disclosure Project had to say to him privately? Could they lead to other pieces of truth within the government?? Nearly everyone here wants to completely dismiss him because of CSETI and alien babies and his "donations" and all types of stupid shit he has done. Fine, that is all valid. But perhaps there is something along the way that may prove important to the UFO question. I know a lot of people will disagree, but completely dismissing him may be, in turn, dismissing the people he had contact with that may have something to offer.

I'm not saying the Paracast should spend any more time with him and certainly they won't, but I think there may be more there than meets the eye. This is similar to the complete dismissal of the Izzat situation. Completely dismissed, when originally it was so compelling.
 
TClaeys:

I asked Robert Salas how he got caught up with Greer. He told me that, essentially, he didn't know where to turn with his account, he'd heard about Greer & Disclosure, and so basically just trusted that this guy was honest. So Greer does (or did, I think that game is over for him now) know how to rope in legitimate government/military people with legitimate experiences and maybe somewhere in there he was shown a document or two. Whether they were real or not is anyone's guess--but the point is, even if Greer has good information and good informants we can never know so long as Greer is the mouthpiece for them. I really doubt there's anything more to the man than that.

He'd go to a political fund raiser and tell you he had dinner with the CIA director. That's who Greer is. So I don't think it is useful to pay attention to him or give him any leniency.

It's this simple IMO: If Greer were the real deal he'd step forward right now and say, "You know what? A lot of people don't buy my story anymore so I'm going to turn over my evidence to an outside party because the evidence is far more important than belief in me."

Give a trusted outside party the documents, the photos, the unnamed sources, all of it. Let them validate that stuff or not.

Dude, we need a tribunal! Forget it. He's Richard Doty with muscles. I don't care what he knows. It's all syrup.

And Lavarat... thanks for the laughs. Sincerely.
 
valiens said:
You know I find this highly offensive. The BOOK is called "I Know Why The Aliens Don't Land!" The MOVIE is "No One's Watching: An Alien Abductee's Story." Both are available through Amazon.

You, sir, win the game.

--Shawn
 
The Clueless One Your No Better Than Greer. And you just care about selling your MOVI

Lavarat said:
I enjoyed the Paracast until Vaeni had the idea of coming on hoping to burn Greer. Sadly it ended up making Vaeni look bad.

I find you Ritzman to many claims of your own experiences that are a result of your inflated ego, yet you have nothing at all the prove anything.

You make this seem like high school all over again.

Ooh, someone's got internet balls.

Yeah, he's a definite Greer-fanboy. You see the reaction you get from these kind of people, so to that end, they aren't worth communicating with, because they're completely out-to-lunch. Not to mention that this individual can't write a coherent thought.

Nah, not worth dealing with injured fans.
 
The Clueless One Your No Better Than Greer. And you just care about selling your MOVI

jritzmann said:
Lavarat said:
I enjoyed the Paracast until Vaeni had the idea of coming on hoping to burn Greer. Sadly it ended up making Vaeni look bad.

I find you Ritzman to many claims of your own experiences that are a result of your inflated ego, yet you have nothing at all the prove anything.

You make this seem like high school all over again.

Ooh, someone's got internet balls.

AKA E-Peen.

For those wondering, LavaRAT is not related to me.
 
The Clueless One Your No Better Than Greer. And you just care about selling your MOVI

Montclair04 said:
Lay off Vaeni - haven't you heard his tape from the Atlantic City UFO convention - it's gold baby!

Absolutely.

Whilst Greer (and many like him) are about as humourous as....

DIARRHEA IN A G-STRING. :D
 
A major difference between Greer and Jeremy and Jeff is that Greer on several occasions publicly said he has photographic evidence of UFO's via CSETI. I heard him say this with my own eyes at the X Conference which will go down in history as the "Beautiful Baby Alien Conference".

To date, Greer has not provided any photos that remotely showed anything other than dust on the lens. I almost expect to see a picture of him at Chuck E Cheese next to one of the robotic puppets on the CSETI Web site with the capture, "High Level Benevolent Pizza Alien". The captions on the pictures they posted that one time were jumping to some serious conclusions to put mildly. This doesn't include the article that depicts him mistaking an Owl making noises as being the aliens that make crop circles.

I don't hear Jeremy and Jeff going around saying they have tons of evidence, they just share their own personal stories and you can believe it or not. In Greer's case, I lean towards the not at this point.

I will point out that many of us here at some point really thought Greer was on to something. The DP, despite it's obvious in retrospect flaws which is easier to point out as with anything over time, is quite an accomplishment and he deserves some credit for it and it also helped give Greer a lot of credibility in my eyes at first.

But here we are 7 years later and despite many a claim to have further tangible evidence for various things, whether its a free energy machine or a picture of an alien, he's shown us nothing.

How easy would it be to say, "To be honest, I just don't have any strong evidence outside of the testimony and talks I"ve had with people....", but that's not what he says.

I think David is on to something when he says Greer's main motivation is being in the spotlight. I think that is very likely and he gets off on being thought of as a leader on this issue, to such an extent that he's willing to make shit up in an effort to remain relevant.

I have to give him credit on his weight lifting though, he's a big mofo, but he also wears super tight shirts which is kind of cliche lame when your buff. Maybe that's because I"m not buff!
 
I think just about all of this is bunk. Vaeni vs Greer as to who is the lamest?

Good lord.

I'd delete this thread if I were a moderator, because the discussion of either sides of this argument is retarded.
 
What happened? I thought I was logging into the Paracast forums but find myself snared in the ATS boards.
 
OK, I had to rejigger the code to make this work. All you actually have to do is place the YouTube identifier code between the two http://youtube.com/watch?v= commands, using the standard "\" without the quotes, in the closing command. Take off the "=" and everything before and remove the "&" and everything after that.

That's what I did. Most of the time it works.
 
The Clueless One Your No Better Than Greer. And you just care about selling your MOVI

That clip is funny. However, now I have "leave Jeremy alone" running through my head instead of "Britney". LOL :p

BTW, I just purchased Jeremy's dvd and book and I cannot wait for them to arrive. I am sure they will be entertaining. I also bought Gene's book the other day too. I should have some good summer reading now.

Oh, and just my opinion on Greer....I think that perhaps he maybe was onto something in the ufo field once but his ego seems to have gotten the better of him and he is just full of nonsense now.

Anyway, I love the show. Keep up the great work David and Gene. :)
 
The Clueless One Your No Better Than Greer. And you just care about selling your MOVI

I have to give him credit on his weight lifting though, he's a big mofo, but he also wears super tight shirts which is kind of cliche lame when your buff.
Yeah, I'm left with women who don fake tits and feel compelled to show 'em off in skimpy clothes in comparison. Shallow at best, though not unpleasant to look at if you're a guy? Incomplete disguise, but it helps to a small degree, I guess.

Mothra hit it, I think.

If you are gonna defend Greer (which is your right) tearing down someone else isn't really the best course of action.
Let's see his stuff, the evidence he claims, then judge Greer. What we actually have is ... nothing. Great disappointment, but tearing anyone else down who calls Greer's claims into question, and is actually thinking rather than blindly accepting, is wasted effort. Perhaps they are challenging him too, but so far, he's got zilch except for his seemingly unending diatribes on what he won't (or simply doesn't have) produce. Unless you pay him and then you get a flashlight. (Oh, no! Do you have to bring your own for that outrageous fee???)

Sorry, Lavarat. I try always to give credit where it's due. TClaesy made a good stab at it, but in the end, Greer is not trustworthy so it's very difficult to see him as anything other than a shill.
 
The Clueless One Your No Better Than Greer. And you just care about selling your MOVI

I was wondering how a guy like Vaeni who runs "The Culture of Contact"
You mean "owns" the Culture of Contact.
I was wondering how a guy like Vaeni who does his own, diplomacy to the alien format that sucks
Your statement is one of a personal nature. How are you to say that anyone, let alone a majority agrees with you so how can 'you' say it sucks?
I was wondering how a guy like Vaeni is qualified to input weak annoying complaints about another person "Greer" who does the same thing.
Again, those are of a personal nature because I happen to think that Jeremy is not annoying. If anything he's quite humorous because he tends to use a lot of sarcasm and condescending tones. Comedians do the same thing when they joke about the 'joke of the decade', which is all Jeremy was doing.
Jeremy your movie your promoting "I know why the aliens don't land".
I know that Jeremy corrected you here, but what he failed to mention is that if you were so incorrect in that information above, that only tells me that you really don't know Jeremy very well, let alone Culture of Contact so how can you even begin to comment. The answers are.
1.) You are a Greer follower.
2.) You were foolish enough to invest in Greer's plot. If so,
2a) You believe that Greer is doing this for the good of man and not for personal monetary gain.
3.) Should we be sensing a degree of jealousy here?
Do you have any collaborated proof that you know why aliens don't land here?
Scientifically speaking, Jeremy could never produce any kind of truth because only he is the observer in his own experiences. The only thing he can do is to share with you what it was that he observed. From that, you can only consider it a possibility anyway or rather theoretical because you never observed such. Nobody can produce such for that matter except in words but you already knew that so why did you ask such a ridiculous question?
Are you in a position to lash out your personal mental issues
What proof do you have that Jeremy has personal mental issues? You must have the proof in order to make such a statement so produce it because shy of that, that quote is most certainly considered defamation of character.
Are you in a position to lash out your personal mental issues on Greer
The "on Greer" part throws me here. Maybe you'll need to reiterate using a different question since it has not yet been proven that Jeremy has personal mental issues.
Are you in a position to lash out your personal mental issues on Greer because you dont have anything better to do?
I'm sure this is factual, which is that Jeremy has too much on his plate these days and consequently much better things to do so again your sentence does not make a lot of sense. Then again, re-read 1.), 2.), 2a.) and 3.) above, since they may pertain once more.
I think Greer made a fool of Vaeni
I was present and accounted for and I can tell you for an absolute fact that Greer made of fool of himself and not the other way around. Jeremy sees through Greer's latest antics as do the masses so why not you. I'll just bet that you fall for Nigerian 419's. When I get Orion or Disclosure email, you know what I do with it? I send it to 'spam'. It wasn't always that way, which is why I'm still on his mailing list. Actually, I unsubscribed but for some reason they're not taking care of their 'unsubscribers'. That speaks volumes to me, how about you? To me it sounds like a desperation move.
I think Greer made a fool of Vaeni and I think everybody else does too.
I would love to know someday who 'everybody else' is. I'll give you a couple of years to respond to that one.
Compare your ego to the size of the universe
This one is a classic, especially since my forté is psychology, which is why I can read you like an unopened book.
First of all you are exaggerating as to the size of Jeremy's ego, that's a gimme. Secondly, you are obviously very jealous of his accomplishments. You dislike the fact that he gains attention. Lastly, our egos have everything to do with how we feel about ourselves (inside). All of the things that people don't see in us be it our happiness or the pain we wear. Someone shy of a good sized ego walks around with low self-esteem and a feeling of low self-worth. Jeremy does not fall into either of those two categories. Quite the contrary actually since he's been found to admit to his failings. One who can do so, obviously recognizes them and that is the beginnings of change in oneself. Consequently, Jeremy has a normal sized ego and is working it for the betterment of himself, which is a good thing, not a bad thing whatsoever.
Face it whining and moaning about Greer get people like me to laugh in your face each time you get upset of your egos not living up to your expectations
This sentence makes little sense but I think I know what you meant to say. I think it would be easier for me to tell you a little something about you simply based on your own words. Would you really like to know about you?
You're angry because you have a fixed belief about Greer and it's steadfast. There's no changing that because you refuse to look at it. If you did so and eventually came to the realization (like the majority of us have) that Greer was full of beeswax, you wouldn't feel that anger. If you've invested money with Greer, you would be extremely angry to hear comments such as Jeremy's so is that why you're angry?
(and there are a lot of people like me)
Statements such as these are provable so prove it.
To laugh in your face each time you get upset of your egos not living up to your expectations
Again, prove it. I'm afraid however that you wouldn't find the numbers you're looking for.
I enjoyed the Paracast until Vaeni had the idea of coming on hoping to burn Greer.
Johnny threw sand in my face so I'm taking my toys and I'm going home. The Paracast has nothing to do with what comes out of The Clueless One's mouth but you find it necessary to say, "I enjoyed the Paracast until". Don't you find it odd to say such a thing? Why put it on the Paracast? Oh, I know the answer but you need to figure it out. Here's a handy tool
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Sadly it ended up making Vaeni look bad.
According to this thread, pretty much only in your eyes.
I find you Ritzmann to many claims of your own experiences that are a result of your inflated ego, yet you have nothing at all the prove anything.
And they will never be able to prove anything to you. Nor will I and I'm a contactee. I always tell everyone that there is no way you could ever honestly believe any of my experiences because you're not me (not to mention that they are extremely difficult to define) and I'm sure Jeff and Jeremy both know this as well. At least they've got one another to talk to since there are similar circumstances. Then again, you probably wouldn't even understand what I just said. They would.
You make this seem like high school all over again.
And you make this all seem like elementary school.

My dream someday is that ET knocks on mans door and you eat crow. A lot of crow.

Lastly and more importantly, Jeremy is simply trying to help people to make important decisions in not sending their hard earned money over to Greer's camp. That's a real good thing too because I have a very close and personal friend who did so and he's tremendously upset with himself. He's also extremely embarrassed. So much so that he won't even return my emails now because he just can't face me. Steven Greer did that!
 
The Clueless One Your No Better Than Greer. And you just care about selling your MOVI

I would like to put us all on track. Remember the thread is about Jeremy's inverted nipples. And greer's biceps.
 
The Clueless One Your No Better Than Greer. And you just care about selling your MOVI

Ok, I finally decided to actually add something to this insane thread.

Jeremy, I don't regularly follow your stuff...but man, I have to say that you can take punches better than anyone else around. It's as if you've already heard every criticism possible, or you're just amazingly secure.

I know that I couldn't be as cool and collected as you are if this was a thread about me.
 
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