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Your response has nothing to do with the issue. If some states tossed people off voter roles improperly it might change the outcome in a tight race. This may have occurred in 2000 in Florida.

Did you not understand the long article in the link included in the post you answered?

I think the first two articles needed to be pointed out in that the electoral college was the best answer at the time because there are dangers in a "pure" democracy but this process certainly comes with some baggage as at that time it was serviced to try to offset the large population advantage the northern states had.

Ss a compromise it assigned slaves with a 3/5 vote (a compromise it seems as the slaves weren't individual voters with rights but property) this procedure offset the clear population majority the industrialized states helped and may have accounted for the fact that four of out first five presidents were slave owning Virginians.

Give every slave a vote...albeit a fractional vote because they weren't citizens but property and Boom...population disparity solved. Bottom line is that this process was best (if not biased) at the time as it also addressed reprsenting those "ignorant' woods dwelling people that weren't sophisticated enough to know about the people running, don't worry smarter people will do it for you.

As far as the article from the Rwandan fellow the way I read it I'd say it pointed out there is a serious problem in this country that goes deeper than voting for a Trump or Clinton.
 
Here's a recent work post on the system and other potential alternatives

The electoral college has serious problems. So do any alternatives.

My thinking is that unless it can be shown that any other election besides this one and Gore Bush can be shown to have these discrepancy it should be kept unless it keeps happening. But as Gene pointed out maybe the deeper concern is making sure every registered voter has equal access to vote.

Personally though I can't see how any legal citizen in this country wouldnt at least have access to a state ID, it is such an important document in any everyday process. It shouldn't be a huge impediment to getting one if you have a birth certificate and SS# Here in California you can register and get your ID in the same transaction, it seems pretty basic to me. If rolls are purged either through a bureaucratic burp (it happens) or done perversely and intentionally (wouldn't surprise me if it did) if one has their ID (again basic) they should be able to have access to vote.
 
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From a friend: "I know a Republican who seems to be expressing buyer's remorse. I wanted to say to him, you know all the signs were there but you chose to ignore them. Two living Republican presidents refused to vote for him (among other retired Republicans) but YOU knew better, deep down you knew he was insane but said to yourself he would surround himself with able experienced people and listen to them, in effect assuming an insane man would assume Sane behavior.

"Tell me again how you could not get past the emails...."

I never understood why an evolved country like Germany would vote for Adolf Hitler after World War I, now I get it big time. The Trump election was obviously a tamer version... but imagine Donald Trump ranting about the Versailles treaty :eek:

A hurricane of incessant rhetoric and unchecked lies supported by Trump and his surrogates created the clouded perception that any attack on Trump was the voice of a corrupted media or establishment. 'If you repeat it enough they'll believe it' actually works.

Just take a look at his 'Make America Great Again' motto. It's basically a retrograde nostalgic view centered on white america that trashes all the social progress since World War II. Answering the question 'when was America great' will tell you a lot about whether 'making it great again' is a racist anti-LGBT statement or not ;)

When Exactly Was America Great, Donald? | The Huffington Post
  • In 1945, no black ballplayer was allowed to play major-league baseball. Basketball was a white man’s game, too.
  • Jim Crow laws that brutally subjugated people based on skin color reigned unchallenged in the South, and much the same flourished by custom in the North. Construction workers labor unions did not allow blacks, so my father had less competition for scarce jobs during the Depression and after.
  • Mortgages for the post-war suburban housing boom were not available to black families. Not a single home among the many thousands built in the classic Levittown development was owned by a black family,
  • Marriage between blacks and whites was still a crime permitted by the Constitution.
  • Immigration was limited by law in ways that excluded people of darker skin color and different religious beliefs.
  • Selling birth control even to married couples was a crime still permitted by the Constitution.
  • A woman’s right to choose to terminate a pregnancy was a crime in every state.
  • So was sexual relationships between same-sex couples.

No brainer to figure out that making America Great Again means nominating a few conservative supreme court justices.
 
Here's an interesting perspective on Trump's still in development policy staff.

Sorry about posting whole article as circumstances prevented a URL link to direct you to.

Source: Peter Grier Christian Science Monitor..

I never thought I'd see a column tying Donald Trump to Abraham Lincoln. :)


"Is Donald Trump staffing his White House or scripting it? His campaign in many ways was reality television brought to politics, full of outrageous action, constant twists, and narrative tension. It's possible the president-elect is using this same approach in his transition. The most obvious storyline: Reince Priebus (chief of staff) and Steven Bannon (chief strategist and senior counselor) will represent rival power centers. The most logical plot would have Mr. Priebus winning - and perhaps a dominant chief of staff is what Trump intends. Maybe Priebus and Bannon will peacefully coexist, but given their roots in very different constituencies, conflict seems inevitable. Abraham Lincoln famously cultivated a "Team of Rivals" staff. Trump has done the same thing in his businesses. Will he try it now in Washington

His campaign in many ways was reality television brought to politics, full of outrageous action, constant twists, and narrative tension. It’s possible the president-elect is using this same approach in his transition. Call it “West Wing Apprentice,” or “Survivor: Bureaucracy.”

Consider his first big personnel moves: Reince Priebus as chief of staff, and Steven Bannon as chief strategist and senior counselor.

Mr. Priebus, currently chairman of the Republican National Committee, is the button-down, by-the-book character in this formulation. His job is nominally more important. He’ll be the protagonist around which lots of Oval Office drama will revolve.

Many Trump skeptics are greeting his appointment with relief.

“Congrats to @realDonaldTrump for outstanding choice of @Reince to be Chief of Staff. This shows me he is serious about governing,” tweeted out Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, a former Trump primary opponent and past harsh critic.

Meanwhile, Mr. Bannon, chief of Breitbart News, is the renegade in the White House cast – or villain, to some. He’s the provocateur, the self-proclaimed leader of the alternative right. Bannon says it’s all about national identity, and opposition to immigration and the excesses of globalism. His critics say the alt-right is actually about race.

“Bannon is a longtime professional bigot, as documented by the Southern Poverty Law Center among others,” writes political scientist Jonathan Bernstein today in his Bloomberg View column.

The storyline here is obvious, first-season stuff. Priebus and Bannon will represent rival power centers. It’ll be inside versus outside, clean-shaven versus scruffy, the quiet operator versus the loud guy who breaks all the rules.

The most logical plot would have Priebus winning. Chief of staff is the second-most powerful job in the United States government, by many measures. They are the person who controls access to the president and shapes the policy options from which the president chooses. They can set much of the Executive Branch agenda. The rest of the White House staff will be concerned about Priebus.

Many chiefs of staff have become Washington legends: think of H.R. Haldeman, Nixon’s guard dog (later jailed for his Watergate role); James Baker, Reagan’s tough advocate (later named secretary of State); or Rahm Emmanuel, spearhead of the Obama administration (now mayor of Chicago).

Perhaps a dominant chief of staff is what Trump intends. Bannon’s appointment could be a sop to his loudest, most angry voters, the ones who wore T-shirts with obscene comments about Hillary Clinton to Trump rallies. The job Bannon now has is in fact a difficult one; an adviser without portfolio has to create his or her own purpose. They’re not always automatically included in meetings. They have to find the room where things are happening themselves.

But in reality TV, the dark stars do sometimes triumph. Much depends on their relationship with the president and their ability to set strategic goals and stick with them. Maybe the most successful staffer-without-portfolio in recent administrations was Karl Rove. As senior adviser (and deputy chief of staff) to President George W. Bush, Mr. Rove pushed Mr. Bush to back the Medicare Part D prescription drug plan, among other things. He was instrumental in shaping W’s 2004 reelection agenda.

In the moves, there are perhaps the faint outlines of an underlying practicality. Trump agreed to put Priebus in the chief of staff position after his daughter Ivanka and son-in-law, Jared Kushner, said the “job should not be held by someone too controversial,” The New York times reported. Moreover, President Obama said of his meeting with Trump: “I don't think he is ideological. I think ultimately he is pragmatic.”

But comparing Trump’s staff moves to casting a reality show is not totally over the top. Trump won a stunning victory in large part by providing the media a campaign story they could not resist, producing hundreds of millions of dollars worth of free coverage. Why should he stop the drama now?

Maybe Priebus and Bannon will peacefully coexist. But given their roots in very different constituencies, conflict seems inevitable. Abraham Lincoln famously cultivated a “Team of Rivals” staff. Trump has done the same thing in his businesses. So buckle up."

 
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Speculation - yes, but what the press is reporting. If true, we have reason to be very, very concerned. Ted Cruz has a unique view of constitutional law - he could unravel the very foundations of our legal system.

Robert Reich
: "Trump is now considering Ted Cruz for Attorney General. Trump met with Cruz about it yesterday. Cruz is a Harvard Law School graduate who previously served as associate deputy attorney general at the Justice Department.

"
Cruz has said that the president and the rest of the federal government should not be bound by the decisions of the Supreme Court: 'I don’t think we should entrust governing our society to 5 un-elected lawyers in Washington.' He has also said that only the four states specifically named in the Supreme Court decision on gay marriage must abide by that ruling.

"Cruz for Attorney General? Giuliani for Secretary of State? Steve Bannon as chief White House strategist? What seemed like a bad dream last week is rapidly becoming a nightmare."


Donald Trump eyeing Ted Cruz for attorney general: Report
LINK: Donald Trump eyeing Ted Cruz for attorney general: Report
TEXT: "President-elect Donald Trump is considering former rival Sen. Ted Cruz for U.S. attorney general, according to reports. Mr. Trump met Tuesday with Mr. Cruz, a Harvard Law School graduate who previously served as associate deputy attorney general at the Justice Department.

"The possibility of putting Mr. Cruz in charge of the Justice Department came up as another possible pick for attorney general, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, has been mentioned for secretary of state, Bloomberg News first reported.

"Mr. Cruz’s name also has been floated as a possible pick for Supreme Court justice. Mr. Trump dismissed speculation about his Cabinet choices late Tuesday in a tweet: 'Very organized process taking place as I decide on Cabinet and many other positions. I am the only one who knows who the finalists are!' Mr. Cruz did not confirm speculation about a possible job offer when he emerged from the elevator in the lobby of Trump Tower in New York, where Mr. Trump lives and the transition team offices are located. 'This election was a mandate for change. The American people rose up and spoke overwhelmingly to say that the path we’re on, it didn’t work. And they want change,' the Texas senator said, according to a pool report.

"Mr. Cruz said voters had given Republicans an historic opportunity by granting them control of the White House and both chambers of Congress. 'It is now time for us to deliver. And I look forward to working hard to help lead the fight to actually accomplish the conservative agenda that Donald Trump and Mike Pence and Republicans across this country campaigned and promised the voters to deliver,' he said. Mr. Cruz was competitor for the GOP presidential nomination and became the final rival that Mr. Trump had to vanquish before securing the nomination.

"Mr. Cruz stubbornly refused to endorse Mr. Trump, including giving a speech at the Republican National Convention in which he told delegates to 'vote your conscience.' To some, the speech begged for a floor fight for the nomination and resulted in a widespread anger and resentment. In the final weeks of the campaign, however, Mr. Cruz stumped for the GOP nominee."
 
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I never understood why an evolved country like Germany would vote for Adolf Hitler after World War I, now I get it big time. The Trump election was obviously a tamer version... but imagine Donald Trump ranting about the Versailles treaty :eek:

A hurricane of incessant rhetoric and unchecked lies supported by Trump and his surrogates created the clouded perception that any attack on Trump was the voice of a corrupted media or establishment. 'If you repeat it enough they'll believe it' actually works.

Just take a look at his 'Make America Great Again' motto. It's basically a retrograde nostalgic view centered on white america that trashes all the social progress since World War II. Answering the question 'when was America great' will tell you a lot about whether 'making it great again' is a racist anti-LGBT statement or not ;)

When Exactly Was America Great, Donald? | The Huffington Post
  • In 1945, no black ballplayer was allowed to play major-league baseball. Basketball was a white man’s game, too.
  • Jim Crow laws that brutally subjugated people based on skin color reigned unchallenged in the South, and much the same flourished by custom in the North. Construction workers labor unions did not allow blacks, so my father had less competition for scarce jobs during the Depression and after.
  • Mortgages for the post-war suburban housing boom were not available to black families. Not a single home among the many thousands built in the classic Levittown development was owned by a black family,
  • Marriage between blacks and whites was still a crime permitted by the Constitution.
  • Immigration was limited by law in ways that excluded people of darker skin color and different religious beliefs.
  • Selling birth control even to married couples was a crime still permitted by the Constitution.
  • A woman’s right to choose to terminate a pregnancy was a crime in every state.
  • So was sexual relationships between same-sex couples.

No brainer to figure out that making America Great Again means nominating a few conservative supreme court justices.
Exactly!
 
It should be obvious that the longer it's delayed, the more likely it is that he will be able to quash it altogether.

Donald Trump’s Legal Gambit in His Fraud Trial Is Also a Fraud

LINK:
Donald Trump’s Legal Gambit in His Fraud Trial Is Also a Fraud
TEXT: "Trump University is the most potent metaphor for Donald Trump’s presidential campaign. The enterprise was a dry run for the technique of using Trump’s media image as a business genius to exploit economically vulnerable Americans for Trump’s own personal profit. The formula first used at his pseudo-university — an astonishingly cynical scheme to bilk desperate people — was then used, with several dollops of racial resentment, to win a campaign.

"But while it has always been legal to defraud people out of their vote, it is not legal to defraud them out of their money. Trump University is the subject of legal action that has strangely receded from the news. Several months ago, Donald Trump requested that the fraud suit against him for Trump University be delayed until after the election, citing the duties of campaigning. Judge Gonzalo Curiel granted the request, and the trial is scheduled for the end of the month. Now Trump is requesting another delay, arguing that the transition will command all of his time, and the trial should be postponed until Trump has been sworn in.

"It is worth pondering not only how shameless this request is, but why Trump is making it. It is obvious that Trump will have even less time to spare as president than he does as president-elect (just as it was obvious he would have less time to spare as president-elect than he did as a candidate). So why does Trump want this delay? The most likely explanation is that, once elected, Trump will have a massive legislative and legal apparatus at his command.

"There is already a clear legal precedent that holds that a president is not immune to a civil suit for private conduct. The precedent came about as a result of the Paula Jones lawsuit, which Republicans eventually used to pry open revelations of Bill Clinton’s affair with Monica Lewinsky. But Congress could pass a law shielding presidents from lawsuits, thus wiping the slate clean on Trump’s wide array of legal vulnerabilities. The Republican Congress would probably be happy to shield President Trump this way. Barack Obama probably won’t sign a law like that, but President Trump quite certainly would, thus his transparently dishonest rationale for delaying the trial until his political allies can quash it."
 
Speculation - yes, but what the press is reporting. If true, we have reason to be very, very concerned. Ted Cruz has a unique view of constitutional law - he could unravel the very foundations of our legal system.

Robert Reich
: "Trump is now considering Ted Cruz for Attorney General. Trump met with Cruz about it yesterday. Cruz is a Harvard Law School graduate who previously served as associate deputy attorney general at the Justice Department.

"
Cruz has said that the president and the rest of the federal government should not be bound by the decisions of the Supreme Court: 'I don’t think we should entrust governing our society to 5 un-elected lawyers in Washington.' He has also said that only the four states specifically named in the Supreme Court decision on gay marriage must abide by that ruling.

"Cruz for Attorney General? Giuliani for Secretary of State? Steve Bannon as chief White House strategist? What seemed like a bad dream last week is rapidly becoming a nightmare."


Donald Trump eyeing Ted Cruz for attorney general: Report
LINK: Donald Trump eyeing Ted Cruz for attorney general: Report
TEXT: "President-elect Donald Trump is considering former rival Sen. Ted Cruz for U.S. attorney general, according to reports. Mr. Trump met Tuesday with Mr. Cruz, a Harvard Law School graduate who previously served as associate deputy attorney general at the Justice Department.

"The possibility of putting Mr. Cruz in charge of the Justice Department came up as another possible pick for attorney general, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, has been mentioned for secretary of state, Bloomberg News first reported.

"Mr. Cruz’s name also has been floated as a possible pick for Supreme Court justice. Mr. Trump dismissed speculation about his Cabinet choices late Tuesday in a tweet: 'Very organized process taking place as I decide on Cabinet and many other positions. I am the only one who knows who the finalists are!' Mr. Cruz did not confirm speculation about a possible job offer when he emerged from the elevator in the lobby of Trump Tower in New York, where Mr. Trump lives and the transition team offices are located. 'This election was a mandate for change. The American people rose up and spoke overwhelmingly to say that the path we’re on, it didn’t work. And they want change,' the Texas senator said, according to a pool report.

"Mr. Cruz said voters had given Republicans a historic opportunity by granting them control of the White House and both chambers of Congress. 'It is now time for us to deliver. And I look forward to working hard to help lead the fight to actually accomplish the conservative agenda that Donald Trump and Mike Pence and Republicans across this country campaigned and promised the voters to deliver,' he said. Mr. Cruz was competitor for the GOP presidential nomination and became the final rival that Mr. Trump had to vanquish before securing the nomination.

"Mr. Cruz stubbornly refused to endorse Mr. Trump, including giving a speech at the Republican National Convention in which he told delegates to 'vote your conscience.' To some, the speech begged for a floor fight for the nomination and resulted in a widespread anger and resentment. In the final weeks of the campaign, however, Mr. Cruz stumped for the GOP nominee."

I recently found out that Cruz wrote the forward to the U.S. Constitution for Dummies book. In as much as this surprised me and disturbed me, I thought the Dummies part was quite appropriate.
 
But I would guess that the situation is similar to the UK, if you can't speak the native language you can't get a job in an office or similar, but you could get illegal work doing all sorts of manual labour, where a "gang master" acts as translator on your behalf.

And of course in PM Mays recent speech she points out that they also drive wages down, the elites dont care, importing migrants is a plus for them since they get cheap labour, but it drives down wages for everyone and thats where a lot of the problems we are seeing with nationalism coming from as she points out

In wake of Donald Trump’s win, she said: “Change is in the air and when people demand change, it is up to the politicans to respond.”

She said that politicians and the elite should not ignore the people on how they feel about immigration again.
She said: “People – often those on modest to low incomes living in rich countries like our own – see their jobs being outsourced and wages undercut. They see their communities changing around them and don’t remember agreeing to that change.

“They see the emergence of a new global elite who sometimes seem to play by a different set of rules and whose lives are far removed from their everyday existence.

“And the tensions and differences between those who are gaining from globalisation and those who feel they are losing out have been exposed ever more starkly through the growth of social media.”

Shame as peers fall asleep through Theresa May's Brexit speech on globalisation


If you go back through my posts here you can see she cites the very same factors
People being ignored on immigration intake
Elites making the decisions but not having to live with the results like the plebs do
The issues being magnified by social media in that people feel they have a platform to say what they think and feel now.

Trump is just a single tree in the forest most people dont see
 
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A frightening amount of references are contained in the linked article about Trump's ties to the white nationalist movement:

UPDATED: The Complete History Of Donald Trump's Relationship With The White Nationalist Movement

But thats not what won him the election, the dynamic in my post above the British example that mirrors the US one, thats what won him the election

The very same thing she speaks about as it pertains to the Brexit vote is the same thing that saw US voters go the same way, vote for the same thing. You will see more of it in Europe as they hold elections of their own in the coming years

The prime minister went on to elaborate on the mood among Western voters and the economic forces that resulted in a populist backlash against the political establishment.

May Calls on U.K. to Show Capitalism Can ‘Work for Everyone’
 
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Your response has nothing to do with the issue. If some states tossed people off voter roles improperly it might change the outcome in a tight race. This may have occurred in 2000 in Florida.

Did you not understand the long article in the link included in the post you answered?

Gene,
The whole "crosscheck" and "scrubbed votes stolen" concept is an old one built on nothing more than one big unsubstantiated MAYBE. The working concept of crosscheck is specifically why the electoral college is still by far the best indicator of a state's actual voter representation. The idea of the electoral college from day one was not to allow this type of centralized big city voter representation to dominate the election so that the results would represent everyone and not just ghetto dwellers. Rather it upholds a process designed to reflect a true equilibrium statewide representation of the vote. It's a heck of lot easier for inner city dwellers to get to the polls than it is for those who are populating rural areas. The reason why democrats are so up in arms about voter ID laws is that their political methodology, and systematically implemented entrenchment strategies, completely depend on, diabolically so, the ranks of the nonproductive intercity populous who are reliant on welfare and crime to fund their dependence and subsistence within a system created by who else? The democrats. This was their "frontier" voting pool. It's sick Gene, a complete mockery of the original system's intention, and the evil this democratic system represents is immeasurable with respect to millions of inner city human being's perpetuated pain, suffering and misery. Whole generations of people doomed to the sins of their fathers and mothers. As evidenced here via their vehement opposition to laws that are designed not for political divisiveness, but to INSURE voter integrity.

The whole over blown 11% of the populous being without photo ID is ridiculous. A false notion that was initially forwarded by the liberal run and funded Brennan Center For Justice. groupsnoop - Brennan Center for Justice Only a completely gullible sheep would allow themselves to be herded by the elitist wealthy ilk the likes of George Soros (real name: GyArgy Schwartz) that designed and fund this pseudo intellectual nonsense.

Do you have ANY idea who George Soros really is and the countless Jews he's responsible for murdering and pillaging in Hungary where he was born and worked with the Nazis? The man is evil incarnate.

If a person is so inept and dysfunctional that they cannot manage to obtain a photo ID, frankly they shouldn't qualify to participate in something as important as a presidential election to begin with. Depending on votes of that debased a nature to change something like the outcome of a presidential election is nothing short of heinous.

So yes, and please forgive me as I've been extremely busy at work for the last few days, you know, that stuff that us "racist whites" do to keep the country's economy going, but I do honestly understand the typically over emotional and disillusioned liberal mindset, that just several weeks ago were all contending the following, and are now playing upon another liberal George Soros funded pissing match like the protesting in the streets he's been funding.

Look how off base the liberal media were, any chance they still are? You bet!

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2016/11/we_looked_at_130_million_ballots_from_the_2012_election_and_found_zero_fraud.html


I’m a Republican election lawyer. Here's why the election can’t be rigged.

In-person voting fraud is rare, doesn't affect elections

The liberals have ultimately lost it completely. Soros is even right now in a meeting with top democrat contributors. Soros bands with donors to resist Trump, 'take back power' Why? To defeat President Donald Trump. What a traitor! The man is second ONLY to Hitler. No wonder George Soros was quoted as stating "The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States." He should HANG.
 
Here's a recent work post on the system and other potential alternatives

The electoral college has serious problems. So do any alternatives.

My thinking is that unless it can be shown that any other election besides this one and Gore Bush can be shown to have these discrepancy it should be kept unless it keeps happening. But as Gene pointed out maybe the deeper concern is making sure every registered voter has equal access to vote.

Personally though I can't see how any legal citizen in this country wouldnt at least have access to a state ID, it is such an important document in any everyday process. It shouldn't be a huge impediment to getting one if you have a birth certificate and SS# Here in California you can register and get your ID in the same transaction, it seems pretty basic to me. If rolls are purged either through a bureaucratic burp (it happens) or done perversely and intentionally (wouldn't surprise me if it did) if one has their ID (again basic) they should be able to have access to vote.

One solution might be to have compulsory voting like we do in Australia, your current system doesnt reflect the will of the people as much as it does the will of the people who could be bothered to get out and vote

Some of the pros and cons at that link are relevant to the US
 
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It's a heck of lot easier for inner city dwellers to get to the polls than it is for those who are populating rural areas

Indeed thats why you vote on Tuesdays

America was still a largely agrarian society and farmers would travel to the nearest major town by horse and cart to cast their ballot. It was a trip that could take a whole day in some places.

Friday, Saturday and Sunday were considered days of worship, so they were out. The diary was also full on Wednesday. That was market day.

So, that left Monday and Tuesday. Folks would leave the farm on a Monday and travel through the day, arriving in time to cast their ballot on Tuesday before heading back to sell their fruit and vegetables on Wednesday.

Why do Americans vote on a Tuesday?
 
Indeed thats why you vote on Tuesdays

America was still a largely agrarian society and farmers would travel to the nearest major town by horse and cart to cast their ballot. It was a trip that could take a whole day in some places.

Friday, Saturday and Sunday were considered days of worship, so they were out. The diary was also full on Wednesday. That was market day.

So, that left Monday and Tuesday. Folks would leave the farm on a Monday and travel through the day, arriving in time to cast their ballot on Tuesday before heading back to sell their fruit and vegetables on Wednesday.

Why do Americans vote on a Tuesday?


And that's part of the reason we started to ride to the right, to protect our (right) voting arm and expose our non voting (left) arm instead.
 
A frightening amount of references are contained in the linked article about Trump's ties to the white nationalist movement:

UPDATED: The Complete History Of Donald Trump's Relationship With The White Nationalist Movement

Lots of hate brewing if you ask me... you've got the anti-latino (great wall), the anti-muslim (forced registration), anti-press coming up (he hates the media) , anti-environment/anti-science (global warming lol.. what is that), anti-abortion, anti-lgbt, anti-marriage equality, anti-education (he loves the uneducated).

To be fair we should list some pros...
 
I can't speak about the situation in Germany because I have never lived or worked there.

But I would guess that the situation is similar to the UK, if you can't speak the native language you can't get a job in an office or similar, but you could get illegal work doing all sorts of manual labour, where a "gang master" acts as translator on your behalf.

Here is an example of the type of thing I am talking about:

David Anthony Eden Sr. and David Anthony Eden Jr., a father and son team from England, had unlawfully hired a group of Chinese workers to pick cockles; they were to be paid £5 per 25 kg of cockles, (9p per lb), far less than the typical local rate at the time.[2] The Chinese had been imported unlawfully via containers into Liverpool and were hired out through local criminal agents of international Chinese Triads. The cockles to be collected are best found at low tide on sand flats at Warton Sands, near Hest Bank. The illegal alien workers were unfamiliar with local geography, language, and custom. They were cut off by the incoming tide in the bay at around 9:30 pm.


Although the emergency services were alerted by a mobile phone call made by one of the workers, only one worker was rescued from the waters. This was partly because the phone call was unclear both to the extent and severity of the danger, and to their location, presumably through a lack of English language ability.[3] A total of 21 bodies, of men and women between the ages of 18 and 45, were recovered from the bay after the incident. Two of the victims were women, the vast majority were young men in their 20s and 30s, with only two being over 40 and only one, a male, under 20.[4] Most of the victims were previously employed as farmers, and two were fishermen.[4] All of the bodies of the victims were found, at a variety of trajectories, at nine locations between the cockling area and shore indicating that the majority had attempted to swim but had been overcome partly, or largely, by hypothermia.[5] Four of the victims died after the truck they used to reach the cockling area became overwhelmed by water.[6] A further two cocklers were believed to have been with those drowned, with remains of one being found in 2010.[7][8]


At the subsequent hearing it was reported that British cocklers returning to shore on the same evening had attempted to warn the Chinese group by tapping their watches and trying to speak with them.[6] A survivor testified that the leader of the group had made a mistake about the time of the tides.[2] Fourteen other members of the group are reported to have made it safely to the shore, making 15 survivors in total. The workers were all undocumented immigrants, mainly from the Fujian province of China, and have been described as being untrained and inexperienced.[9]


2004 Morecambe Bay cockling disaster - Wikipedia


This story made the news but it is just the tip of the iceberg.

For example I could leave my house now and go to the Builders supply store, and there will be a group of men waiting there, ready to work for "cash in hand" no insurance, no training etc.
Or I could go to my local high street and if I went "back of house" in many of the restaurants/take aways I can almost guarantee that I would find people with little or no English working there.
Most illegal workers are hidden, and it doesn't just effect men, women are exploited in the same way.

I think what I am trying to say is that this kind of situation is not good for anyone except greedy employers.
Thank you. I get the examples you gave. However, I'm talking about my company - which has a headquarters, a massive warehouse, office space, we have a fleet of 35 trucks, most of our clients are well known national chains. So it's not like we are a roofing contractor hiring illegals off the street or collecting razor clams on the beach. All our drivers are licensed & credentialed, all the warehouse, office & drivers are paid through regular weekly paychecks with taxes taken out, health insurance, etc.

But yet there is not one non Mexican person in the warehouse & it get's frustrating. Especially when someone get's flustered with me. If anything, I should get flustered with them. I'm the one that was born & raised here. So why am I made to feel like a jerk sometimes because I can't understand what the warehouse guys are asking/telling me?

It's just screwed up and shouldn't be that way. When I was a kid, whoever thought I'd have a hard time at a large company in New Jersey because I DO NOT speak Spanish? Ridiculous.
 
I never understood why an evolved country like Germany would vote for Adolf Hitler after World War I, now I get it big time. The Trump election was obviously a tamer version... but imagine Donald Trump ranting about the Versailles treaty :eek:

A hurricane of incessant rhetoric and unchecked lies supported by Trump and his surrogates created the clouded perception that any attack on Trump was the voice of a corrupted media or establishment. 'If you repeat it enough they'll believe it' actually works.

Just take a look at his 'Make America Great Again' motto. It's basically a retrograde nostalgic view centered on white america that trashes all the social progress since World War II. Answering the question 'when was America great' will tell you a lot about whether 'making it great again' is a racist anti-LGBT statement or not ;)

When Exactly Was America Great, Donald? | The Huffington Post
  • In 1945, no black ballplayer was allowed to play major-league baseball. Basketball was a white man’s game, too.
  • Jim Crow laws that brutally subjugated people based on skin color reigned unchallenged in the South, and much the same flourished by custom in the North. Construction workers labor unions did not allow blacks, so my father had less competition for scarce jobs during the Depression and after.
  • Mortgages for the post-war suburban housing boom were not available to black families. Not a single home among the many thousands built in the classic Levittown development was owned by a black family,
  • Marriage between blacks and whites was still a crime permitted by the Constitution.
  • Immigration was limited by law in ways that excluded people of darker skin color and different religious beliefs.
  • Selling birth control even to married couples was a crime still permitted by the Constitution.
  • A woman’s right to choose to terminate a pregnancy was a crime in every state.
  • So was sexual relationships between same-sex couples.

No brainer to figure out that making America Great Again means nominating a few conservative supreme court justices.
Gotta love the tenacity of the Social Justice Warrior. They never give up.
 
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