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I totally stand corrected.
I mean, about Maui.
No Bikini Blonde Lager would be a travesty.
Maybe I should stock up now? We just started getting shipments of it up here.
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I mean, about Maui.
No Bikini Blonde Lager would be a travesty.
Maybe I should stock up now? We just started getting shipments of it up here.
Han
piscator ψ
Come on people, this after all is a "paranormal" forum.
Ridicule doesn't help anyone.
We should know, just take a look at the state of the field of ufology/paranormal.
There is a thread about global warming: What World Under Climate Change
Ridicule doesn't help anyone.
We should know, just take a look at the state of the field of ufology/paranormal.
There is a thread about global warming: What World Under Climate Change
Tyger
Paranormal Adept
What So Many People Don’t Get About the U.S. Working Class
LINK: What So Many People Don’t Get About the U.S. Working Class
Quote from article: "One little-known element of that gap [class-culture gap] is that the white working class (WWC) resents professionals but admires the rich. Class migrants (white-collar professionals born to blue-collar families) report that 'professional people were generally suspect' and that managers are college kids 'who don’t know shit about how to do anything but are full of ideas about how I have to do my job,' said Alfred Lubrano in Limbo. Barbara Ehrenreich recalled in 1990 that her blue-collar dad 'could not say the word doctor without the virtual prefix quack. Lawyers were shysters…and professors were without exception phonies.' Annette Lareau found tremendous resentment against teachers, who were perceived as condescending and unhelpful."
Quote from article: "Isn’t what happened to Clinton unfair? Of course it is. It is unfair that she wasn’t a plausible candidate until she was so overqualified she was suddenly unqualified due to past mistakes. It is unfair that Clinton is called a 'nasty woman' while Trump is seen as a real man. It’s unfair that Clinton only did so well in the first debate because she wrapped her candidacy in a shimmy of femininity. When she returned to attack mode, it was the right thing for a presidential candidate to do but the wrong thing for a woman to do. The election shows that sexism retains a deeper hold that most imagined. But women don’t stand together: [White Working-Class] women voted for Trump over Clinton by a whopping 28-point margin — 62% to 34%. If they’d split 50-50, she would have won."
Quote from article: "Michèle Lamont, in The Dignity of Working Men, also found resentment of professionals — but not of the rich. ' can’t knock anyone for succeeding,' a laborer told her. 'There’s a lot of people out there who are wealthy and I’m sure they worked darned hard for every cent they have,' chimed in a receiving clerk. Why the difference? For one thing, most blue-collar workers have little direct contact with the rich outside ofLifestyles of the Rich and Famous. But professionals order them around every day. The dream is not to become upper-middle-class, with its different food, family, and friendship patterns; the dream is to live in your own class milieu, where you feel comfortable — just with more money. 'The main thing is to be independent and give your own orders and not have to take them from anybody else,' a machine operator told Lamont. Owning one’s own business — that’s the goal. That’s another part of Trump’s appeal.
"Hillary Clinton, by contrast, epitomizes the dorky arrogance and smugness of the professional elite. The dorkiness: the pantsuits. The arrogance: the email server. The smugness: the basket of deplorables. Worse, her mere presence rubs it in that even women from her class can treat working-class men with disrespect. Look at how she condescends to Trump as unfit to hold the office of the presidency and dismisses his supporters as racist, sexist, homophobic, or xenophobic.
"Trump’s blunt talk taps into another blue-collar value: straight talk. 'Directness is a working-class norm,' notes Lubrano. As one blue-collar guy told him, 'If you have a problem with me, come talk to me. If you have a way you want something done, come talk to me. I don’t like people who play these two-faced games.' Straight talk is seen as requiring manly courage, not being 'a total wuss and a wimp,' an electronics technician told Lamont. Of course Trump appeals. Clinton’s clunky admission that she talks one way in public and another in private? Further proof she’s a two-faced phony.
"Manly dignity is a big deal for working-class men, and they’re not feeling that they have it. Trump promises a world free of political correctness and a return to an earlier era, when men were men and women knew their place. It’s comfort food for high-school-educated guys who could have been my father-in-law if they’d been born 30 years earlier. Today they feel like losers — or did until they met Trump.
"Manly dignity is a big deal for most men. So is breadwinner status: Many still measure masculinity by the size of a paycheck. White working-class men’s wages hit the skids in the 1970s and took another body blow during the Great Recession. Look, I wish manliness worked differently. But most men, like most women, seek to fulfill the ideals they’ve grown up with. For many blue-collar men, all they’re asking for is basic human dignity (male varietal). Trump promises to deliver it."
LINK: What So Many People Don’t Get About the U.S. Working Class
Quote from article: "One little-known element of that gap [class-culture gap] is that the white working class (WWC) resents professionals but admires the rich. Class migrants (white-collar professionals born to blue-collar families) report that 'professional people were generally suspect' and that managers are college kids 'who don’t know shit about how to do anything but are full of ideas about how I have to do my job,' said Alfred Lubrano in Limbo. Barbara Ehrenreich recalled in 1990 that her blue-collar dad 'could not say the word doctor without the virtual prefix quack. Lawyers were shysters…and professors were without exception phonies.' Annette Lareau found tremendous resentment against teachers, who were perceived as condescending and unhelpful."
Quote from article: "Isn’t what happened to Clinton unfair? Of course it is. It is unfair that she wasn’t a plausible candidate until she was so overqualified she was suddenly unqualified due to past mistakes. It is unfair that Clinton is called a 'nasty woman' while Trump is seen as a real man. It’s unfair that Clinton only did so well in the first debate because she wrapped her candidacy in a shimmy of femininity. When she returned to attack mode, it was the right thing for a presidential candidate to do but the wrong thing for a woman to do. The election shows that sexism retains a deeper hold that most imagined. But women don’t stand together: [White Working-Class] women voted for Trump over Clinton by a whopping 28-point margin — 62% to 34%. If they’d split 50-50, she would have won."
Quote from article: "Michèle Lamont, in The Dignity of Working Men, also found resentment of professionals — but not of the rich. ' can’t knock anyone for succeeding,' a laborer told her. 'There’s a lot of people out there who are wealthy and I’m sure they worked darned hard for every cent they have,' chimed in a receiving clerk. Why the difference? For one thing, most blue-collar workers have little direct contact with the rich outside ofLifestyles of the Rich and Famous. But professionals order them around every day. The dream is not to become upper-middle-class, with its different food, family, and friendship patterns; the dream is to live in your own class milieu, where you feel comfortable — just with more money. 'The main thing is to be independent and give your own orders and not have to take them from anybody else,' a machine operator told Lamont. Owning one’s own business — that’s the goal. That’s another part of Trump’s appeal.
"Hillary Clinton, by contrast, epitomizes the dorky arrogance and smugness of the professional elite. The dorkiness: the pantsuits. The arrogance: the email server. The smugness: the basket of deplorables. Worse, her mere presence rubs it in that even women from her class can treat working-class men with disrespect. Look at how she condescends to Trump as unfit to hold the office of the presidency and dismisses his supporters as racist, sexist, homophobic, or xenophobic.
"Trump’s blunt talk taps into another blue-collar value: straight talk. 'Directness is a working-class norm,' notes Lubrano. As one blue-collar guy told him, 'If you have a problem with me, come talk to me. If you have a way you want something done, come talk to me. I don’t like people who play these two-faced games.' Straight talk is seen as requiring manly courage, not being 'a total wuss and a wimp,' an electronics technician told Lamont. Of course Trump appeals. Clinton’s clunky admission that she talks one way in public and another in private? Further proof she’s a two-faced phony.
"Manly dignity is a big deal for working-class men, and they’re not feeling that they have it. Trump promises a world free of political correctness and a return to an earlier era, when men were men and women knew their place. It’s comfort food for high-school-educated guys who could have been my father-in-law if they’d been born 30 years earlier. Today they feel like losers — or did until they met Trump.
"Manly dignity is a big deal for most men. So is breadwinner status: Many still measure masculinity by the size of a paycheck. White working-class men’s wages hit the skids in the 1970s and took another body blow during the Great Recession. Look, I wish manliness worked differently. But most men, like most women, seek to fulfill the ideals they’ve grown up with. For many blue-collar men, all they’re asking for is basic human dignity (male varietal). Trump promises to deliver it."
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Tyger
Paranormal Adept
Clinton has surpassed Trump in the popular vote by over 1 million votes (and still counting) - and now there is this -
Math Increasingly Suggests Election Fraud Against Hillary Clinton
TEXT: "Published on Nov 14, 2016: According to exit polls conducted by Edison Research, Hillary Clinton won four key battleground states (NC, PA, WI and FL), but ultimately lost those states according to computerized vote counts."
The Election was Stolen – Here’s How…
Before a single vote was cast, the election was fixed by GOP and Trump operatives.
LINK: The Election was Stolen – Here’s How... - Greg Palast
2016 Presidential Election Table
LINK: 2016 Presidential Election Table – TDMS|RESEARCH
Math Increasingly Suggests Election Fraud Against Hillary Clinton
The Election was Stolen – Here’s How…
Before a single vote was cast, the election was fixed by GOP and Trump operatives.
LINK: The Election was Stolen – Here’s How... - Greg Palast
2016 Presidential Election Table
LINK: 2016 Presidential Election Table – TDMS|RESEARCH
victimized
Skilled Investigator
If any of you cared to think about the climate on Planet Earth, previous archaeological/geological evidence gives a status that an evolved human race previously existed on Earth, making the status of modern Earth life a de-evolved state and a newly formed genetic material. The archaeological evidence shows much taller human skeletons existed in our ancient past, along with evidence of ancient technology.
The frozen evidence in ice states that our modern day DNA had evolved from a form of mutated unnatural mutated genetics......as "large bodies" also.
The status of ice states that the atmospheric condition caused a freeze for oxygen was held in huge iced bodies....along with the evidence of the genetic caused mutations to the larger species.
Cecie Starr, Ralph Taggart, Christine Evers - 2012 - Science
In spring, the air warms and ice melts. ... three layers that differ in their temperature and oxygen content (Figure 47.25C). The top layer is warm and oxygen-rich. ... rich water in spring. thermocline Thermal stratification in a large body of water; ... Water that flows rapidly over rocks mixes with air and holds more oxygen than ...
If you review the status of human caused Earth changes to the environment and Nature.......the oxygen content had increased in our atmosphere over a period of ice melt....as had the return of gaseous mass.
The trend for human life to begin to return to its taller non mutated genetics is noticed
We're Sorrygetting-taller/The average height of a human man will probably never exceed that of basketball ... humans are taller than those from the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries. ... is just one of many limitations in life, and certainly not the most constraining.
Therefore this situation would state that with the melting of ice releasing a higher amount of oxygen is causing a notified change to genetics.
The argument about global warming, ice melting and ice not melting involves more than 1 circumstance....for you would have to ask the question, how did Earth become instantaneously "snap frozen", for the preservation of the flesh of the animal and nature in the ice determines that it was "instant snap freeze" and not a gradual freeze.
As scientists love to argue, they should consider that the visiting asteroid bodies noticed since the commencement and cause of global warming via the inventing of nuclear fuel and the burning of nuclear fuel causes an Earth interactive condition.......the condition of advice for the snap freeze in the first place...as geological evidence states meteors also hit Earth. The replacement gases lost to ice melting enable the ice at the current moment to maintain its freeze. The gases from these out of space visiting bodies therefore determine that they have caused gas replacement by their visitation and for Earth not to loose its freeze. Therefore there is no control mechanism involving the conditions of changes as a cause and effect, and the actual saving of life on Earth situation is dangerous.
These reasons is why scientific arguing over future atmospheric resourcing and control of resourcing is as fake as your thoughts that biblical leadership will give you personal status or hierarchy as the "chosen race" on Earth.....which seemingly even the American Government and its agencies believe.
What Are Asteroids Made Of? - Universe Today
An asteroid’s composition is mainly determined by how close it is to the Sun. The asteroids that are nearest the Sun are mostly made of carbon, with smaller amounts of nitrogen, hydrogen and oxygen, while the ones further away are made up of silicate rock. Silicates are very common on Earth and in the Solar System.
Asteroids and Comets, Asteroids and Comets Information, Facts, News, Photos -- National Geographic
Catalog of Known Near-Earth Asteroids Tops 15,000
The Russian forest flattening incident....a very cold country should cause all scientists to be concerned about their continued choice to alter natural life conditions on Planet Earth. Around 100 years after the forest flattened due to nuclear experiments a meteor exploded in Russia. C of Christ value 100.
I would be more concerned about global warming myself, if I considered the total cause and effect summation of converting natural atmospheric gases....as witnessed in the UFO formation......the conversion signal formed by the Sun UFO attack for converting nuclear dust.
Revelation 22.18
I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book,
The ancients applied irradiation to life by the use of the levitation of stone, altering is natural nuclear to "lighten the stone". Modern day scientists have added to the Earth Heavenly body irradiation by converting the nuclear of the Earth's dust into a fuel and then burning it.
Genesis 3:19
By the sweat of your face you shall eat bread, till you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; for you are dust, and to dust you shall return.” Genesis studied to be the condition for causing a change to genetics as SIGN SEE. We witness at this very moment a global change to human genetics by the amount of mutative inheritance.
If anyone cares to consider what the ancient philosopher knew, that life itself was supported by the condition and natural fusion or fused state of nuclear dust. Evolution of our natural species depended on the condition and holiness of Earth dust.....therefore it should never have been changed.
We know that the nuclear condition when activated "combusts" and human self combustion demonstrates a return to the condition of dust.
The stone on Earth also changed into dust by the irradiation attack.
www.popularmechanics.com/science/.../giant-sinkholes-continue-to-rip-open-russia/
When discussing TRUMP, he supposedly by human review of the Biblical codings was to become President
The Assassination Code: Hillary Rodman Orders the Murder of Donald Trump
When we ask the cause of Earth Global Changes and disaster, we can review the ownership or owners of the condition, are the same brotherhood/organizations that support change to natural states and the natural environment on Earth.....the scientists/occultists themselves. Therefore their own information already advises them that they are the cause for global catastrophes.
Revelation 22.12......as a changed nuclear Sun Time 24 by its removal and losses.
…11Let the unrighteous continue to be unrighteous, and the vile continue to be vile; let the righteous continue to practice righteousness, and the holy continue to be holy.” 12“Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to each person according to what he has done. 13I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.”…
When the information is reviewed the status of life on Earth states that we "remain the same" via the condition of "coming quickly" via the conditions of the first. Asteroids come quickly when Earth atmospheric conditions heat...and the first conditions of the asteroid........carbon, with smaller amounts of nitrogen, hydrogen and oxygen.
Therefore the ancients knew what happened to Planet Earth and life on Earth when you altered its natural holiness. Holiness is considered to be Earth's natural life and natural status. The holiness taught to belong to our human life is only holy when the hierarchy allows for humanity to be equal with equal rights and treated with holiness.......for the Biblical statements determines that the life of evil is a chosen human state, an employed and acted out human state (for the biblical advice states this condition (unholy human choice/occult practice) did not alter before when Earth was attacked) and has nothing to do with the natural spiritual condition supporting our natural life. Life's holiness is only holy when no human occultist scientist changes it.
If I were a human querying the conditions of the paranormal, the teachings of the causation of phenomena.....the notification of global warming and those involved in causing and considering global warming (brotherhood organizers/phenomena studiers and appliers)......all of the advice exists that states that modern day scientific occultists could cause an asteroid or a meteor/comet hit to Earth's body due to the condition of Planet Earth's unnatural status.....its snap freeze.
Various reviews of the phenomena (atmospheric caused irradiation) called the "10 plague review" have already been notified to modern life....such as the attack on human and animal life by the UFO beast or animal fake spirit manifestation. Another advice is huge hailstorms. We have seen fish die when the water turned into blood.
Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaRed_tideRed tide is a common name for a phenomenon known as an algal bloom when it is caused by ... Dead fish have been observed to wash up on gulf beaches of Mexico and Texas. .... beach - mainly Siesta Key, Florida causing a fish kill that had a negative impact on tourists, and caused respiratory issues for beach-goers.
World’s Largest Hailstones | Weather Extremes
TRUMP is said to be poisoned by Clinton in a review of their inherited life (brotherhood choice), for if you review their organizations, they actually support the review of the Biblical Code and its applications, therefore they purposely support these names believing it to be "prophetic" for their organization as a gain. The Biblical code has always held a warning for America stating that its President will be murdered. Therefore we can all conclude that global warming and the American sciences is party to the attacks on human life in the American continent, just as forewarned......prophecized.
24 Bible verses about Poison
Tyger
Paranormal Adept
Donors and lobbyists already shaping Trump’s ‘drain the swamp’ administration
LINK: Donors and lobbyists already shaping Trump’s ‘drain the swamp’ administration
Robert Reich: "Trump promised to 'drain the swamp.' Instead, he’s filling it.
1. Several of his biggest political donors are shaping the incoming administration, including Rebekah Mercer, a daughter of billionaire Robert Mercer. She’s among four major donors appointed by Trump to a 16-person executive committee overseeing his transition. The others are campaign finance chairman Steven Mnuchin, New York financier Anthony Scaramucci and Silicon Valley investor Peter Thiel.
2. Top campaign fundraisers and lobbyists tied to some of the country’s wealthiest industries have been put in charge of hiring and planning for specific federal agencies. They include J. Steven Hart, chairman of the law and lobbying shop Williams & Jensen; Michael McKenna, an energy company lobbyist who is overseeing planning for the Energy Department; and Dallas fundraiser Ray Washburne, was has been tapped to oversee the Commerce Department.
3. The Trump Organization isn’t being put into a blind trust. Instead, it will be managed by Trump's three oldest children -- who are also helping oversee the transition.
Trump is no populist standing up for the average American. Like Vladimir Putin, Trump is an oligarch intent on enriching himself and his fellow oligarchs."
LINK: Donors and lobbyists already shaping Trump’s ‘drain the swamp’ administration
Robert Reich: "Trump promised to 'drain the swamp.' Instead, he’s filling it.
1. Several of his biggest political donors are shaping the incoming administration, including Rebekah Mercer, a daughter of billionaire Robert Mercer. She’s among four major donors appointed by Trump to a 16-person executive committee overseeing his transition. The others are campaign finance chairman Steven Mnuchin, New York financier Anthony Scaramucci and Silicon Valley investor Peter Thiel.
2. Top campaign fundraisers and lobbyists tied to some of the country’s wealthiest industries have been put in charge of hiring and planning for specific federal agencies. They include J. Steven Hart, chairman of the law and lobbying shop Williams & Jensen; Michael McKenna, an energy company lobbyist who is overseeing planning for the Energy Department; and Dallas fundraiser Ray Washburne, was has been tapped to oversee the Commerce Department.
3. The Trump Organization isn’t being put into a blind trust. Instead, it will be managed by Trump's three oldest children -- who are also helping oversee the transition.
Trump is no populist standing up for the average American. Like Vladimir Putin, Trump is an oligarch intent on enriching himself and his fellow oligarchs."
Walter Bosley
Paranormal Adept
Creepy Green Light
Paranormal Adept
Right. But what chance would I have if I flopped on over to Germany and tried getting hired at ANY company? I'd get laughed at and they would say to each other "This guy doesn't speak any German. What's he even asking us? Is he really inquiring about a job?" They wouldn't hire me - let alone 100 other people like me so that their entire building is filled with non German speaking people.
It's just another piece of common sense that got thrown out the window a long time ago in this country. Whether you are rich or poor; you don't get a job here unless you speak the language. And I don't care if it's a minimum wage job or making six figures +.
Jeff Davis
Paranormal Adept
Total and complete unsubstantiated nonsense.
More critically misguided liberal rubble. What a surprise!The Electoral College Didn’t Steal The Election For Trump
No, the Electoral College won’t make Clinton president instead of Trump
A solid opinion from OUTSIDE the mediaocracy.
Trump is more honest than the American media
Creepy Green Light
Paranormal Adept
Jesus, what a bunch of f'ng cry babies these HC supporters are. Get over it. She lost. You don't think people were just as upset when Obama won? But you didn't see them burning down their communities and being d-bags.Total and complete unsubstantiated nonsense.
The Electoral College Didn’t Steal The Election For Trump
No, the Electoral College won’t make Clinton president instead of Trump
A solid opinion from OUTSIDE the mediaocracy.
Trump is more honest than the American media
99% of the ruckus is being caused by X-box generation college brats that know deet-deet (very little) about anything real life. I'm so glad that these same whiners aren't on the front lines of our military. They'd soil their shorts at the first shot fired and run the other direction.
Your response has nothing to do with the issue. If some states tossed people off voter roles improperly it might change the outcome in a tight race. This may have occurred in 2000 in Florida.Total and complete unsubstantiated nonsense.
The Electoral College Didn’t Steal The Election For Trump
No, the Electoral College won’t make Clinton president instead of Trump
A solid opinion from OUTSIDE the mediaocracy.
Trump is more honest than the American media
Did you not understand the long article in the link included in the post you answered?
Tyger
Paranormal Adept
No 'spin'. His actions. Yet from your response you seem to be saying you don't think he's doing the things reported in the news. Is that what you are saying? How does that work? Blind 'loyalty' to Trump? Utter trust that no matter what, Trump is 'doing the right thing'? No questions?Nothing to be worried about. Ignore the spin.
Tyger
Paranormal Adept
Firings and Discord Put Trump Transition Team in a State of Disarray
LINK: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/16/u..._th_20161116&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=54852892
From article: "Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona and the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, weighed in as well. On Tuesday, he issued a blunt warning to Mr. Trump and his emerging foreign policy team not to be taken in by President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia, whom Mr. Trump praised during the campaign.
“ 'The Obama administration’s last attempt at resetting relations with Russia culminated in Putin’s invasion of Ukraine and military intervention in the Middle East,' Mr. McCain said."
Recalling that one of the 'fears' voiced about Hillary Clinton was that she was a 'hawk' and to elct her would usher in WWIII -
From the article: "For advice on building Mr. Trump’s national security team, his inner circle has been relying on three hawkish current and former American officials: Representative Devin Nunes, Republican of California, who is chairman of the House Intelligence Committee; Peter Hoekstra, a former Republican congressman and former chairman of the Intelligence Committee; and Frank Gaffney, a Pentagon official during the Reagan administration and a founder of the Center for Security Policy."
LINK: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/16/u..._th_20161116&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=54852892
From article: "Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona and the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, weighed in as well. On Tuesday, he issued a blunt warning to Mr. Trump and his emerging foreign policy team not to be taken in by President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia, whom Mr. Trump praised during the campaign.
“ 'The Obama administration’s last attempt at resetting relations with Russia culminated in Putin’s invasion of Ukraine and military intervention in the Middle East,' Mr. McCain said."
Recalling that one of the 'fears' voiced about Hillary Clinton was that she was a 'hawk' and to elct her would usher in WWIII -
From the article: "For advice on building Mr. Trump’s national security team, his inner circle has been relying on three hawkish current and former American officials: Representative Devin Nunes, Republican of California, who is chairman of the House Intelligence Committee; Peter Hoekstra, a former Republican congressman and former chairman of the Intelligence Committee; and Frank Gaffney, a Pentagon official during the Reagan administration and a founder of the Center for Security Policy."
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Ezechiel
Paranormal Adept
Mr. Cohen, a conservative Republican who served under President George W. Bush, said Trump transition officials had excoriated him after he offered some names of people who might serve in the new administration, but only if they felt departments were led by credible people.
“They think of these jobs as lollipops,” Mr. Cohen said in an interview.
Someone is playing Pokemon Trump lol
Wow... His next book: 'Trump-style political improvisation for dummies'
Han
piscator ψ
I can't speak about the situation in Germany because I have never lived or worked there.
But I would guess that the situation is similar to the UK, if you can't speak the native language you can't get a job in an office or similar, but you could get illegal work doing all sorts of manual labour, where a "gang master" acts as translator on your behalf.
Here is an example of the type of thing I am talking about:
David Anthony Eden Sr. and David Anthony Eden Jr., a father and son team from England, had unlawfully hired a group of Chinese workers to pick cockles; they were to be paid £5 per 25 kg of cockles, (9p per lb), far less than the typical local rate at the time.[2] The Chinese had been imported unlawfully via containers into Liverpool and were hired out through local criminal agents of international Chinese Triads. The cockles to be collected are best found at low tide on sand flats at Warton Sands, near Hest Bank. The illegal alien workers were unfamiliar with local geography, language, and custom. They were cut off by the incoming tide in the bay at around 9:30 pm.
Although the emergency services were alerted by a mobile phone call made by one of the workers, only one worker was rescued from the waters. This was partly because the phone call was unclear both to the extent and severity of the danger, and to their location, presumably through a lack of English language ability.[3] A total of 21 bodies, of men and women between the ages of 18 and 45, were recovered from the bay after the incident. Two of the victims were women, the vast majority were young men in their 20s and 30s, with only two being over 40 and only one, a male, under 20.[4] Most of the victims were previously employed as farmers, and two were fishermen.[4] All of the bodies of the victims were found, at a variety of trajectories, at nine locations between the cockling area and shore indicating that the majority had attempted to swim but had been overcome partly, or largely, by hypothermia.[5] Four of the victims died after the truck they used to reach the cockling area became overwhelmed by water.[6] A further two cocklers were believed to have been with those drowned, with remains of one being found in 2010.[7][8]
At the subsequent hearing it was reported that British cocklers returning to shore on the same evening had attempted to warn the Chinese group by tapping their watches and trying to speak with them.[6] A survivor testified that the leader of the group had made a mistake about the time of the tides.[2] Fourteen other members of the group are reported to have made it safely to the shore, making 15 survivors in total. The workers were all undocumented immigrants, mainly from the Fujian province of China, and have been described as being untrained and inexperienced.[9]
2004 Morecambe Bay cockling disaster - Wikipedia
This story made the news but it is just the tip of the iceberg.
For example I could leave my house now and go to the Builders supply store, and there will be a group of men waiting there, ready to work for "cash in hand" no insurance, no training etc.
Or I could go to my local high street and if I went "back of house" in many of the restaurants/take aways I can almost guarantee that I would find people with little or no English working there.
Most illegal workers are hidden, and it doesn't just effect men, women are exploited in the same way.
I think what I am trying to say is that this kind of situation is not good for anyone except greedy employers.
Tyger
Paranormal Adept
From a friend: "I know a Republican who seems to be expressing buyer's remorse. I wanted to say to him, you know all the signs were there but you chose to ignore them. Two living Republican presidents refused to vote for him (among other retired Republicans) but YOU knew better, deep down you knew he was insane but said to yourself he would surround himself with able experienced people and listen to them, in effect assuming an insane man would assume sane behavior.
"Tell me again how you could not get past the emails...."
"Tell me again how you could not get past the emails...."
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