The Official Paracast Political Thread! — Part Two

[Han]

Trump to supporters harassing minorities: 'Stop it' - CNNPolitics.com

So when Trump says stop, what or who is he saying stop to?

Either there is a section of people that voted/support him and are actively behaving in hateful ways towards other citizens, or he is lying.

If you Trust Trump then you should surely acknowledge that there are serious issues because he (Trump) did so when he told those people to stop.

I have no idea of the true character or beliefs of Trump et al, but people are doing things in his name, and I believe that you feel it is unfair that people want to blame trump, because you don't believe in "guilt by association" as in: voting for trump doesn't mean you are prejudice etc.

I actually agree with you on this (assuming I have interpreted your feelings correctly) because it is a (grand)* assertion, to say that voting for trump makes you anything.
Just the same way that saying all people that voted against Brexit are left wing etc etc etc

Sometimes perceptions are as, if not more important than reality.

Whether you realise it or not, you have displayed a disregard for other peoples feelings, especially in terms of the choice of words you use.
And basically fell into the tap that you were so busy telling everyone about.........

The following statement is taken from a documentary that we have both recently watched:

"Freedom means Freedom, not some freedom, but all freedom, as long as you don't take away the life, liberty or property of your fellow man. You should be free to do anything you want to do. That is what built this country in the first place. So the solution to the problem is a return to that high ideal, return to that high ground, then everything is possible."

The reason I include this statement is because it sums up how I feel, by behaving in a hateful way people are denying fellow citizens their right to life and liberty, which is supposed to be totally against the constitution (as I understand it).

I am not accusing you personally of anything.

I would be naive to think the following words won't feel patronising and probably insulting, after all who am I to give you advice?
But I am going to say it anyway: I think the perception of many people on the forum is that you have not been vocal enough in and condemning the actions of some trump supporters.
Personally I believe that you do not and will not condone discrimination against fellow Americans.

But these events are happening, and people are being hurt as a result.

We need to stand together to ensure everyone feels safe and secure and are able to pursue happiness.

I am asking for your help.

I have probably said things previously that you won't forgive, but this is bigger than you and me, so I respectfully ask that you put aside our personal differences, and consider the possibility that we are actually on the same side.
I am not asking for a reply or acknowledgment, just that you think about it.


* as in a Blanket statement.

 

[Jeff Davis]

Prove that I lied.

Are you capable of even a single rational thought?

I swear, you're actually a bot programmed by pixelsmith, right?

Fair warning: math always wins.

Math says climate change is real.

Math says there is no link between autism and vaccines.

I asked you to demonstrate this math several times. You have produced NOTHING. I don't mean rhetorical assurances from the CDC. I don't want rhetorical reasoning in the form of propaganda, and I do not want you pretend that you only meant "natural climate change", or that you referenced math only for statistical purposes. I want to see the mathematical evidence that you allude to that proved man made climate change is a certainty. If you cannot, you have lied.

You've been given proof on all of the above many times. It doesn't matter, because truth interferes with your ideology.

Which makes your ideology itself a lie.

You see marduk, just like every time here on this forum when I turn matters on their proverbial ear, it's only ever because those forwarding their opposing agendas have debased me first ad hominem. This all started because you referenced me as being a liar which is in and of itself an utter lie. Within that same post you lied a second time stating that "You've been given proof on all of the above many times" which NEVER happened. Go look up the definition of the word lie or liar and tell me concerning these matters that definition doesn't fit you to a T.

The absolute truth of this whole matter is the fact that the ONLY thing I am guilty of here on this forum when all things are considered, that has served to villainize me by Gene and the misguided few here including yourself that are "going after" me, is the fact that I disagree vehemently with you few who are doing your level best to make me look bad. I know that Trump was and is the better of the only two presidential candidates to ever have a snowball's chance in hell at winning this past presidential election, BY FAR. Hillaryous is a known criminal whose own state dept. intelligence services turned on her to reveal her criminality and political corruption. There was positively nothing biased about the 50+ intelligence agencies that banded together to out her via Julian Assange's WikiLeaks. All she could do is try and pin it on the Russians which was in and of itself a IRRESPONSIBLE & TREASONOUSLY FRAUDULENT act. (more criminal behavior, surprise surprise)

So, please, do us all a favor and lay off and get some obviously much needed sleep. You're positively addled.

 

[Gene Steinberg]

There is so much there that's false, I hardly know where to begin. No, Hillary Clinton is not a "known criminal." Not even close. The fact is that intelligence experts have determined that the Russians were responsible for the hack. "irresponsible & treasonously fraudulent"? Utter nonsense!

I won't deal with the rest of your stuff. It's too factually challenged to be worth much comment.

 

[Gene Steinberg]

Messages that violate Terms of Service will be deleted. You have proven virtually nothing. If you imagine you did, I cannot help you.

 

[Jeff Davis]

There is so much there that's false, I hardly know where to begin. No, Hillary Clinton is not a "known criminal." Not even close. The fact is that intelligence experts have determined that the Russians were responsible for the hack. "irresponsible & treasonously fraudulent"? Utter nonsense!

I won't deal with the rest of your stuff. It's too factually challenged to be worth much comment.

Provide your evidence that the Russians were responsible for this informational leak. And I certainly don't want to see evidence akin to "the media says so" BS.

 

[marduk]

I asked you to demonstrate this math several times. You have produced NOTHING. I don't mean rhetorical assurances from the CDC. I don't want rhetorical reasoning in the form of propaganda, and I do not want you pretend that you only meant "natural climate change", or that you referenced math only for statistical purposes. I want to see the mathematical evidence that you allude to that proved man made climate change is a certainty. If you cannot, you have lied.

That's exactly what I did.

Number one, witness the birth of the anthropocene:

Number two: sea levels are rising concurrent with CO2 level increase:

Number three: the earth is getting hotter as a result of CO2 increase:
http://climate.nasa.gov/system/inte...original/647_Global_Temperature_Data_File.txt

Number four: CO2 increase is a result of human activity:

Atmospheric concentrations of CO2 (379ppm) and CH4 (1774ppb) in 2005 exceed by far the natural range over the last 650,000 years. Global increases in CO2 concentrations are due primarily to fossil fuel use, with land-use change providing another significant but smaller contribution. It is very likely that the observed increase in CH4 concentration is predominantly due to agriculture and fossil fuel use. CH4 growth rates have declined since the early 1990s, consistent with total emissions (sum of anthropogenic and natural sources) being nearly constant during this period. The increase in N2 O concentration is primarily due to agriculture. {2.2} There is very high confidence that the net effect of human activities since 1750 has been one of warming.6 {2.2}

http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar4/syr/ar4_syr_spm.pdf

All of these are referenced in the link I sent above, which logically you either didn't read or were intellectually incapable of understanding.

Either way, you're the one that's either lying, or unable to comprehend reality.

You see marduk, just like every time here on this forum when I turn matters on their proverbial ear, it's only ever because those forwarding their opposing agendas have debased me first ad hominem. This all started because you referenced me as being a liar which is in and of itself an utter lie. Within that same post you lied a second time stating that "You've been given proof on all of the above many times" which NEVER happened. Go look up the definition of the word lie or liar and tell me concerning these matters that definition doesn't fit you to a T.

You haven't turned any matters on any proverbial ears.

All you are doing is shouting "liar" when you're the one that's actually lying. You are acting in a very childish fashion, like a scolded child who puts his hand over his ears and screams so he cannot hear what anyone is saying.

The absolute truth of this whole matter is the fact that the ONLY thing I am guilty of here on this forum when all things are considered, that has served to villainize me by Gene and the misguided few here including yourself that are "going after" me, is the fact that I disagree vehemently with you few who are doing your level best to make me look bad. I know that Trump was and is the better of the only two presidential candidates to ever have a snowball's chance in hell at winning this past presidential election, BY FAR. Hillaryous is a known criminal whose own state dept. intelligence services turned on her to reveal her criminality and political corruption. There was positively nothing biased about the 50+ intelligence agencies that banded together to out her via Julian Assange's WikiLeaks. All she could do is try and pin it on the Russians which was in and of itself a IRRESPONSIBLE & TREASONOUSLY FRAUDULENT act. (more criminal behavior, surprise surprise)

You are guilty of making claims which are provably not true (like Hillary being prosecuted for any charge), which makes you either deceitful or irrational. My vote is the latter.

So, please, do us all a favor and lay off and get some obviously much needed sleep. You're positively addled.

I slept just fine last night. You're the one posting at the wee hours of the morning, not me.

BTW, if you think I'm upset by you, don't worry. I'm drying my tears on the money I made on the stupidity of your electorate. Just like I'll make money as he continues to make mistake after mistake, and then I'll make money when he's voted out.

I'll just feel a bit bad about it, like I did when Bush was in the office.

 

[Jeff Davis]

You're still lying. Where is the math that supports the causal fact that is HUMAN INDUCED CLIMATE CHANGE. Everyone knows that the earth changes temperature over time, hence the ice age, but NOTHING in what you have provided proves the ONLY thing that matters. That is human induced climate change. The CO2 your referencing must be PROVED as being the result of mankind. Volcanoes ALONE could provide the rise in CO2 levels you're referencing here. You are still BSing me.

 

[marduk]

Provide your evidence that the Russians were responsible for this informational leak. And I certainly don't want to see evidence akin to "the media says so" BS.

And now you're solidly on my turf.

It's well understood that the hacks came from Russia. It has not been conclusively proved that the Russian Government sponsored the hacks. Nor would it be likely to prove such a thing.

Matt Tait, a former GCHQ operator who tweets from the handle @pwnallthethings, was particularly prolific. Hours after the first Guccifer 2.0 dump, on the evening of June 15, Tait found something curious. One of the first leaked files had been modified on a computer using Russian-language settings by a user named "Feliks Dzerzhinsky." Dzerzhinsky was the founder of the Cheka, the Soviet secret police—a figure whose mythic renown was signaled by a fifteen-ton bronze statue that once stood in front of KGB headquarters. Tait tweeted an image of the document's metadata settings, which, he suggested, revealed a failure of operational security.

A second mistake had to do with the computer that had been used to control the hacking operation. Researchers found that the malicious software, or malware, used to break into the DNC was controlled by a machine that had been involved in a 2015 hack of the German parliament. German intelligence later traced the Bundestag breach to the Russian GRU, aka Fancy Bear.

There were other errors, too, including a Russian smile emoji—")))"—and emails to journalists that explicitly associated Guccifer 2.0 with DC Leaks, as the cybersecurity firm ThreatConnect pointed out. But the hackers' gravest mistake involved the emails they'd used to initiate their attack. As part of a so-called spear-phishing campaign, Fancy Bear had emailed thousands of targets around the world. The emails were designed to trick their victims into clicking a link that would install malware or send them to a fake but familiar-looking login site to harvest their passwords. The malicious links were hidden behind short URLs of the sort often used on Twitter.

To manage so many short URLs, Fancy Bear had created an automated system that used a popular link-shortening service called Bitly. The spear-phishing emails worked well—one in seven victims revealed their passwords—but the hackers forgot to set two of their Bitly accounts to "private." As a result, a cybersecurity company called SecureWorks was able to glean information about Fancy Bear's targets. Between October 2015 and May 2016, the hacking group used nine thousand links to attack about four thousand Gmail accounts, including targets in Ukraine, the Baltics, the United States, China, and Iran. Fancy Bear tried to gain access to defense ministries, embassies, and military attachés. The largest group of targets, some 40 percent, were current and former military personnel. Among the group's recent breaches were the German parliament, the Italian military, the Saudi foreign ministry, the email accounts of Philip Breedlove, Colin Powell, and John Podesta—Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman—and, of course, the DNC.

How Russia Pulled Off the Biggest Election Hack in U.S. History

The thing is, wikileaks published the material. You can go check.

 

[marduk]

You're still lying. Where is the math that supports the causal fact that is HUMAN INDUCED CLIMATE CHANGE. Everyone knows that the earth changes temperature over time, hence the ice age, but NOTHING in what you have provided proves the ONLY thing that matters. That is human induced climate change. The CO2 your referencing must be PROVED as being the result of mankind. Volcanoes ALONE could provide the rise in CO2 levels you're referencing here. You are still BSing me.

Lol. I'll post it again. Should I use smaller words, perhaps written in bright colored crayon for you?

Atmospheric concentrations of CO2 (379ppm) and CH4 (1774ppb) in 2005 exceed by far the natural range over the last 650,000 years. Global increases in CO2 concentrations are due primarily to fossil fuel use, with land-use change providing another significant but smaller contribution. It is very likely that the observed increase in CH4 concentration is predominantly due to agriculture and fossil fuel use. CH4 growth rates have declined since the early 1990s, consistent with total emissions (sum of anthropogenic and natural sources) being nearly constant during this period. The increase in N2 O concentration is primarily due to agriculture. {2.2} There is very high confidence that the net effect of human activities since 1750 has been one of warming.6 {2.2}

http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar4/syr/ar4_syr_spm.pdf

Besides it actually doesn't matter if it's anthropic change or not, or if it's 'Merica's fault or the Chinese.

It's happening to the only planet we live on. Except for you, you're from another planet obviously.

 

[SRL+]

Forget it marduk, the wackadoo has long past the Rubicon to the point of making mockery of himself. Returning to his continuing twaddle is like returning to an itchy scab that you just want to pick at.

 

[kanakaris]

You're still lying. Where is the math that supports the causal fact that is HUMAN INDUCED CLIMATE CHANGE. Everyone knows that the earth changes temperature over time, hence the ice age, but NOTHING in what you have provided proves the ONLY thing that matters. That is human induced climate change. The CO2 your referencing must be PROVED as being the result of mankind. Volcanoes ALONE could provide the rise in CO2 levels you're referencing here. You are still BSing me.

What's next , the earth is flat ?

 

[marduk]

Forget it marduk, the wackadoo has long past the Rubicon to the point of making mockery of himself. Returning to his continuing twaddle is like returning to an itchy scab that you just want to pick at.

Oh, at this point I'm just doing it for my own amusement.

It's a quiet day at work.

 

[SRL+]

Yes, its been quite enjoyable from day one, although, at times feeling as though clubbing a baby seal.

 

[Gene Steinberg]

Just so we don't enter the realm of extreme paranoia, I am shortly going to update the forum software. While that happens, it'll be down. It takes 15-30 minutes to finish.

 

[Gene Steinberg]

Upgrade completed.

 

[marduk]

Upgrade completed.

It's obviously a liberal media conspiracy.

 

[Gene Steinberg]

Yes, only liberals upgrade software to eliminate defects, add new features and improve security.

 

[Jeff Davis]

Lol. I'll post it again. Should I use smaller words, perhaps written in bright colored crayon for you?

http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar4/syr/ar4_syr_spm.pdf

Besides it actually doesn't matter if it's anthropic change or not, or if it's 'Merica's fault or the Chinese.

It's happening to the only planet we live on. Except for you, you're from another planet obviously.

I read the OLD article to which you referenced and it's just more global warming alarmist BS. What you provided is NOT numeric proof of man made Climate Change in the least. So yes, you are still lying. Not to mention the fact that you never provided any mathematical theorems to support ANYTHING ever. When math is nothing but "fake consensus best guesses" it's only evidential and not indicative of proof in the least.

http://www.ilovemycarbondioxide.com/archives/evidence-towsey.pdf

The '97% consensus' of scientists on climate change is complete bunk... fraudulent statistic repeated everywhere is based on blatant scientific FRAUD

There is No Scientific Evidence That Humans are Causing Global Warming

 

[Jeff Davis]

What's next , the earth is flat ?

Nope, just effervescence within your IQ.

 

[Jeff Davis]

Yes, its been quite enjoyable from day one, although, at times feeling as though clubbing a baby seal.

Speak for your own gray matter, oh that's right, you are.

BTW, might want to get a handle on the following concept: Association fallacy - Wikipedia

Kinda trashes pretty much everything you've ever contended politically.