The Official Paracast Political Thread! — Part Two

[mike]

But again we are treating the sypmtoms and not the disease.

Lets say the polywell reactor pans out and we have free clean energy,

2016
On April the 13th, Next Big Future published an article on information of the Wiffle Ball reactor dated to 2013 through the Freedom of Information Act.

On May 2, 2016, Jaeyoung Park delivered a lecture at Khon Kaen University in Thailand, with a discussion of the idea that the world has so underestimated the timetable and impact that practical and economic fusion power will have, that its actual arrival will be highly disruptive. Specifically, Professor Park stated that he expected to present "final scientific proof of principle for the polywell technology around 2019-2020", and expects "a first generation commercial fusion reactor being developed by 2030 and then mass production and commercialisation of the technology in the 2030's. This is approximately 30 years faster than expected under the first world government-driven International Thermonuclear Energy Reactor (ITER) project. It would also be tens of billions of dollars cheaper

Fusion to Be Commercialised Thirty Years Faster than Expected - Civil Society's Role | Prachatai English


That doesnt address the other myriad downsides of exponential population growth and consumption

The drawing down on the water aquifers, the deforestation and loss of biodiversity and habitat the over fishing of the oceans and the non gaseous pollution we are choking it with.

A 2012 study reported that water from aquifers, moved to the surface by human activity like farming and mining, would constitute 25 percent of sea level rise before 2050, and possibly even more after that. Relocated groundwater, by that paper’s estimate, would be the third-most significant cause of sea level rise this century, after the melting ice sheets of Antarctica and Greenland.

Earth's Aquifers Are Drying Up: Just How Bad Is It?

To make the calculation as precise as possible, they used not only current groundwater-use statistics from each country, but also economic growth and development projections. They also took into account the impact of climate change on regional water needs, considering "all the major factors that contribute

 

[DaveM]

The problem is we can all point out major environmental issues but where are the solutions? Fukushima happened 5 years ago but radioactivity is still spewing into the ocean. The Japanese government has hushed things up. After all, the 2020 Olympics are just around the corner.

That polluted air in India and China may be centered there but don't think for a moment that air isn't blowing your way. I wouldn't count on the world's governments to finally see the light of day. It costs too much and takes away from profits to keep us safe from radiation and pollution.

 

[marduk]

The problem is we can all point out major environmental issues but where are the solutions? Fukushima happened 5 years ago but radioactivity is still spewing into the ocean. The Japanese government has hushed things up. After all, the 2020 Olympics are just around the corner.

That polluted air in India and China may be centered there but don't think for a moment that air isn't blowing your way. I wouldn't count on the world's governments to finally see the light of day. It costs too much and takes away from profits to keep us safe from radiation and pollution.

Get off the planet in large numbers.

 

[mike]

Get off the planet in large numbers.

Like Suzukis second test tube ?

 

[marduk]

Like Suzukis second test tube ?

Kinda.

Except there's an infinite number of them.

Besides, birth rate declines as standard of living improves. Maybe given enough breathing room, we'll stabilize.

 

[mike]

We had a great discussion many years ago about how UFO tech, antigrav free energy etc would impact us and not in a good way.
Speculation aside The looming reality of Fusion is also predicted to have a negative impact

However, neither the market nor the world's governments are presently ready for a commercial fusion reactor in the 2030's. One effect of commercial fusion would be to drive the price of coal and oil even lower, meaning developing countries, such as South American countries which export oil and those countries which export coal, such as Indonesia, may suffer disruptive shocks to their economies.

Free energy wouldnt solve the current problem it would in fact make it worse, energy is just one aspect of exponential population growth in a finite system

A big part of this discussion has been how many jobs lost are simply not there anymore, technological advances are a double edged sword. The net trend is less jobs as technology improves

Fusion reactors will put miners and transport workers and coal fired electricty plant workers out of work. also oil exploration, drilling and distribution workers
If they can be scaled down for domestic installation Poles and wires, the copper industry all take a hit.
Everyone is chasing Synthetic intelligence, if they crack that the whole labour market economy is gone. Doctors, Nurses, truck drivers, waiters , farmers....

 

[mike]

Maybe given enough breathing room, we'll stabilize.

No, we will just take selfies while the world turns to shite

Humans......... part locust part lemming

 

[Tyger]

That's not altogether correct, unless you claimed that she would prevail in both the popular & electoral vote. At is stands; she is still advancing in the popular vote. I guess that in generalities you could say "yeah, she's going to win”, but realistically no one knows how these things will truly play out.

Wouldn't that be a stunner - if the popular vote actually turned the Electoral College outcome. Methinks the Trump supporters would riot - and shout 'Rigged!' Yep.

 

[marduk]

We had a great discussion many years ago about how UFO tech, antigrav free energy etc would impact us and not in a good way.
Speculation aside The looming reality of Fusion is also predicted to have a negative impact



Free energy wouldnt solve the current problem it would in fact make it worse, energy is just one aspect of exponential population growth in a finite system

A big part of this discussion has been how many jobs lost are simply not there anymore, technological advances are a double edged sword. The net trend is less jobs as technology improves

Fusion reactors will put miners and transport workers and coal fired electricty plant workers out of work. also oil exploration, drilling and distribution workers
If they can be scaled down for domestic installation Poles and wires, the copper industry all take a hit.
Everyone is chasing Synthetic intelligence, if they crack that the whole labour market economy is gone. Doctors, Nurses, truck drivers, waiters , farmers....

Like with anything, disruption happens.

You get used to it.

I remember having to shift to a reality of outsourcing. Changed my whole career because of global economic pressures. I'm glad I did.

 

[marduk]

But again we are treating the sypmtoms and not the disease.

Lets say the polywell reactor pans out and we have free clean energy,



Fusion to Be Commercialised Thirty Years Faster than Expected - Civil Society's Role | Prachatai English


That doesnt address the other myriad downsides of exponential population growth and consumption

The drawing down on the water aquifers, the deforestation and loss of biodiversity and habitat the over fishing of the oceans and the non gaseous pollution we are choking it with.

A 2012 study reported that water from aquifers, moved to the surface by human activity like farming and mining, would constitute 25 percent of sea level rise before 2050, and possibly even more after that. Relocated groundwater, by that paper’s estimate, would be the third-most significant cause of sea level rise this century, after the melting ice sheets of Antarctica and Greenland.

Earth's Aquifers Are Drying Up: Just How Bad Is It?

To make the calculation as precise as possible, they used not only current groundwater-use statistics from each country, but also economic growth and development projections. They also took into account the impact of climate change on regional water needs, considering "all the major factors that contribute

Free energy makes the math change.

Like desalination. Or just deep aquifer drilling. Or hell just go grab some comets.

 

[Tyger]

BTW some may be interested in a book coming out on December 6th called 'Splinterlands' by John Feffer.

This is a view I am keen on - that the future will be regions - not national entities - in a loosely confederated, cooperative world. I am keenly interested in how the regions will be self-sustaining and will interact with other regions. Barring serious catastrophe - like a nuclear event (unfortunately, not beyond the pale) - I think this will be the outcome of the 21st century. The question is: how will that (loose) assemblage of regions be achieved? (Robots key). It seems that we may have to go through a period of generalized 'civil war' fomented by global 'Trumpism', but more particularly to do with environmental stressors (like warming and climate migration, etc.). Humanity would have to be exhausted to turn to other systems of organizing itself.

Amazon Blurb: "Part Field Notes from a Catastrophe, part 1984, part World War Z, John Feffer's striking new dystopian novel, takes us deep into the battered, shattered world of 2050. The European Union has broken apart. Multi-ethnic great powers like Russia and China have shriveled. America's global military footprint has virtually disappeared and the United States remains united in name only. Nationalism has proven the century's most enduring force as ever-rising global temperatures have supercharged each-against-all competition and conflict among the now 300-plus members of an increasingly feeble United Nations.

"As he navigates the world of 2050, Julian West offers a roadmap for the path we're already on, a chronicle of impending disaster, and a faint light of hope. He may be humanity's last best chance to explain how the world unraveled—if he can survive the savage beauty of the Splinterlands.

"John Feffer is the director of Foreign Policy in Focus at the Institute for Policy Studies. In 2012–2013, he was also an Open Society Fellow looking at the transformations that have taken place in Eastern Europe since 1989. He is the author of several books and numerous articles. He has also produced six plays, including three one-man shows, and published a novel."​

 

[Jeff Davis]

Anyone can plainly see for themselves @Gene Steinberg and @marduk that I have NEVER once trolled within this thread. I have only ever responded in cutting edge fashion due to the fact that I was initially attacked via the blunt logic of leftist cave people. Go count how many times in this thread alone that you referenced me as delusional and insane simply because I do not, and will not, agree with your unsubstantiated political positions. I can not, and will not in good conscious, deny that you are both completely wrong. You are both exemplary of poor sportsmanship and nothing short of just that. I have most certainly and very politely given you and Pinocchio both, countless opportunities to factually make good on your accusations and environmental summations. Apart from your referencing of heavily biased left wing mainstream media, which I have in fact viewed and comprehensively defined as being insubstantially accusatory in nature, your claims are completely baseless.

Here is more PROOF straight from President Trump's mouth that you both way off base here.

Trump to supporters harassing minorities: 'Stop it' - CNNPolitics.com

 

[Trajanus]

...Trump's language identifies him as a racist misogynst homophobe.

Which isn't good but what concerns me most are the policies he may pursue with regard to Iran, Syria, the environment etc. It's bad enough to mess up the lives of individuals, infinitely worse to mess up the whole planet. With luck, though, the pros in government will wise him up to the point where the next four years are livable.

 

[Ezechiel]

Which isn't good but what concerns me most are the policies he may pursue with regard to Iran, Syria, the environment etc. It's bad enough to mess up the lives of individuals, infinitely worse to mess up the whole planet. With luck, though, the pros in government will wise him up to the point where the next four years are livable.

Ahhhh... when Merica was great again, only a couple ultra-conservative supreme court justices away .

In the horse and buggy's suitcase are all the signatures needed to:

• Reverse Roe vs Wade and make abortions in the US illegal.
• Bring back Jesus in the classroom.
• Make LGBTQ illegal again.
• Teach intelligent design.
• Make sure the universe is 6,000 years old.
• Abolish the concept of separation of church and state.
• Make Merica a christian nation.
• Encourage a theocracy where supreme court justices are really an extension of the church.
• Hey why not bring back slavery while you're at it.... Some say bible supports it. The Bible and slavery - Wikipedia

Judgment Day 2016: The Court as an Issue in the Presidential Election

While social mayhem destroys Merica, Trump will dance the Potomac two-step saying these supreme court decisions are the voice of the people.

 

[marduk]

Anyone can plainly see for themselves @Gene Steinberg and @marduk that I have NEVER once trolled within this thread. I have only ever responded in cutting edge fashion due to the fact that I was initially attacked via the blunt logic of leftist cave people. Go count how many times in this thread alone that you referenced me as delusional and insane simply because I do not, and will not, agree with your unsubstantiated political positions. I can not, and will not in good conscious, deny that you are both completely wrong. You are both exemplary of poor sportsmanship and nothing short of just that. I have most certainly and very politely given you and Pinocchio both, countless opportunities to factually make good on your accusations and environmental summations. Apart from your referencing of heavily biased left wing mainstream media, which I have in fact viewed and comprehensively defined as being insubstantially accusatory in nature, your claims are completely baseless.

Here is more PROOF straight from President Trump's mouth that you both way off base here.

Trump to supporters harassing minorities: 'Stop it' - CNNPolitics.com

I've been called many things.

But a "poor sportsman?" After the shit you've pulled?

Lol. That's a new one.

.....

And it's very easy for trump to ask the very wing nuts that voted him in to chill out... after he used their foolishness, fear, and hate to get into power.

It's simply inconvenient now.

 

[SRL+]

Anyone can plainly see for themselves @Gene Steinberg and @marduk that I have NEVER once trolled within this thread. I have only ever responded in cutting edge fashion due to the fact that I was initially attacked via the blunt logic of leftist cave people. Go count how many times in this thread alone that you referenced me as delusional and insane simply because I do not, and will not, agree with your unsubstantiated political positions. I can not, and will not in good conscious, deny that you are both completely wrong. You are both exemplary of poor sportsmanship and nothing short of just that. I have most certainly and very politely given you and Pinocchio both, countless opportunities to factually make good on your accusations and environmental summations. Apart from your referencing of heavily biased left wing mainstream media, which I have in fact viewed and comprehensively defined as being insubstantially accusatory in nature, your claims are completely baseless.

Here is more PROOF straight from President Trump's mouth that you both way off base here.

Trump to supporters harassing minorities: 'Stop it' - CNNPolitics.com

I am starting to think you’re attempting to impersonate Hal Turner. Again, and again, you have purposely attempted to mislead. Trump & Bannon’s hateful rhetoric is the reason for the civil unrest, which commenced long before Nov. 14. Others and I have pointed out Trump’s dangerous behavior to a point past ad nauseam and you continue in your lashing out like a wounded opossum, which has inadvertently found itself trapped within the confines of a trash compactor. I suppose the dog ate your homework as a child.

Obviously, poor comedy is your strongest card.

 

[Trajanus]

[QUOTE="Ezechiel, post: 249698, member: 1453"Bring back Jesus in the classroom.

• Make LGBTQ illegal again.
• Teach intelligent design[/quote]

LOL no way! Already he's backpedalling on various positions. He can't even get rid of Obamacare en toto so...

 

[Gene Steinberg]

Trump barely understands Obamacare and most Republican leaders don't either. They've been so busy fear-mongering, they haven't taken the time to think about the logic and tradeoffs. Or they have and would rather lie about it.

Trump isn't the sort who can grasp complex policy. He lives in a world of broad strokes.

 

[Tyger]

I would very much like the Trump supporters on this thread to address the issues: given what Trump ran on, what he actually said, and now given what he is actually doing and saying - what do you think? Are you happy at the reversals? Did the issues not really matter?

How about the anti-establishment belief about Trump? Now that he's playing ball and clearly not all that 'anti' the 1% - how does all that sit with you?

 

[marduk]

I swear. The google news section for Trump should come with a laugh track.
Step 1 of Donald Trump’s anti-lobbyist crusade: pack his transition team with lobbyists

(PS He now says he won't back out of NATO too)