The Official Paracast Political Thread! — Part Two

[Tyger]

What I really wonder is... will all the anti-Clinton torch throwers be rounded up and put in camps?

Unlikely. No more than Obama has rounded up anyone's guns, as so many have threatened is 'imminent' for years.

 

[Tyger]

I say Trump by a landslide, causing strokes and seizures across the land!

If he survives all his indictments. Being elected and then being convicted of a felony, methinks that removes him and we then have a President Pence. Thing is, the peaceful transition of power is the hallmark of the US democracy - regardless of even stolen elections, like in 2000, and 2004. People may be unhappy, but they put up with it, life goes on. Trump supporters will see just exactly what they bought into - and 2018 - and then 2020 - won't come fast enough. A Trump election will mean an uprising of the elctorate at the 2018 mid-term elections. Massive change will come.

 

[Walter Bosley]

If he survives all his indictments. Being elected and then being convicted of a felony, methinks that removes him and we then have a President Pence. Thing is, the peaceful transition of power is the hallmark of the US democracy - regardless of even stolen elections, like in 2000, and 2004. People may be unhappy, but they put up with it, life goes on. Trump supporters will see just exactly what they bought into - and 2018 - and then 2020 - won't come fast enough. A Trump election will mean an uprising of the elctorate at the 2018 mid-term elections. Massive change will come.

Uprising of electorate? I think worse is coming. The upside to it is getting to see a bunch of my fellow Americans' reactions to it.

 

[Han]

I predict a trump victory.

I think that he has successfully managed to polarise the electorate.

My current thinking is that neither is fit to be POTUS.

Its too late now, and one of them has to be, so I think it would be less bad if clinton wins.

 

[Han]

Uprising of electorate? I think worse is coming. The upside to it is getting to see a bunch of my fellow Americans' reactions to it.

Could you be a bit more specific, do you mean like WWIII?

 

[Tyger]

Uprising of electorate? I think worse is coming.

If you are suggesting violence, where would that be coming from if Trump wins? It's Trump and his adherents who are threatening such if he doesn't win. But Trump and his adherents are keen on law-and-order, so I am sure they will be right in line with taking the consequences of breaking the law if they decide to so do, not so?

The upside to it is getting to see a bunch of my fellow Americans' reactions to it.

The response of the adolescent runining the family outing with inappropraite outbursts. You betray a juvenile reasonsing if that is all you can say to a Trump win. Getting mainstream society 'upset'? Truly?

In response to that, it's my view that if Trump wins, the US electorate let it happen (by non-voting) and they deserve what havoc they have wreaked upon their own heads.

What I will 'enjoy' - if one can call it that, because it will hardly give any real joy - is watching Trump supporters' eyes open to the consequences of having voted Trump in as president. The wake-up will not be pretty, but the good news is there is only so much Trump could ruin before 2018 neutrailzes the worst of him.

 

[Walter Bosley]

If you are suggesting violence, where would that be coming from if Trump wins? It's Trump and his adherents who are threatening such if he doesn't win. But Trump and his adherents are keen on law-and-order, so I am sure they will be right in line with taking the consequences of breaking the law if they decide to so do, not so?

The response of the adolescent runining the family outing with inappropraite outbursts. You betray a juvenile reasonsing if that is all you can say to a Trump win. Getting mainstream society 'upset'? Truly?

In response to that, it's my view that if Trump wins, the US electorate let it happen (by non-voting) and they deserve what havoc they have wreaked upon their own heads.

What I will 'enjoy' - if one can call it that, because it will hardly give any real joy - is watching Trump supporters' eyes open to the consequences of having voted Trump in as president. The wake-up will not be pretty, but the good news is there is only so much Trump could ruin before 2018 neutrailzes the worst of him.

You are right, and everyone else is wrong. (As if there is NO hostility coming from the left, lol)

I didn't say I'm happy about what I think is coming. I'm just think it is. What I do like is when people get wake up calls, especially those that tear their world down and burn their perceptions to ashes. From that comes a rebirth. Left and Right have driven us to that point in the US so I'm just preparing to dodge the bullets.

 

[Tyger]

BTW if the country lived through George W Bush's very winceably embarrassing, and truly criminally tragic, 8 years as president, we will do the same with Trump. That's what we do. Hopefully, Trump is not allowed to dismantle this country by his VP and Republican handlers while he is in office. Hopefully, his hate-filled speech does not translate into actual fascistic social militarism against the US population. We will see.

 

[Walter Bosley]

BTW if the country lived through George W Bush's very winceably embarrassing, and truly criminally tragic, 8 years as president, we will do the same with Trump. That's what we do. Hopefully, Trump is not allowed to dismantle this country by his VP and Republican handlers while he is in office. Hopefully, his hate-filled speech does not translate into actual fascistic social militarism against the US population. We will see.

Look at you with the rhetoric driven by fear.

 

[Walter Bosley]

And with that, folks, I will concede that all of you on the Left are right about everything. I am wrong on everything. Hillary is the greatest and Trump is pure evil. I will now leave this thread to the much higher intelligences to whom it belongs.

 

[Tyger]

You are right, and everyone else is wrong. (As if there is NO hostility coming from the left, lol)

Not sure why the ott response. You polarise rather quickly.

As for hostility from 'the Left' - I am not aware of Clinton (as much as she signifies 'the Left' - she is a centrist) agitating for violence. Can you explain?

I didn't say I'm happy about what I think is coming.

Well, that's heartening.

I'm just think it is.

I don't think you have anything upon which to base this thinking - certainly not from anything Clinton is saying or advocating. It's the Trump supporters, and Trump himself, who seem to be egging on these ideas of sedition against the US government.

What I do like is when people get wake up calls, especially those that tear their world down and burn their perceptions to ashes. From that comes a rebirth. Left and Right have driven us to that point in the US so I'm just preparing to dodge the bullets.

I think you don't know who your friends are. It's not really a polarity of Left and Right policies. Where do you get that? Have you forgotten Big Money? Have you forgotten the Military-Industrial Complex? Have you forgotten the Culture Wars?

We already see people themselves, never mind perceptions, being burnt to ashes because of who they voted into office. Look at Kansas. Look at all the Red states dependant on federal handouts. Look at all the people dying because their Republican governors refused the Medicaid extension for the Affordable Care Act.

 

[Tyger]

Look at you with the rhetoric driven by fear.

Look at your come-back. The only way you know how to argue is to characterize your opponent, rather than address the issue brought up. In this case - because you think fear is a negative, likely a 'weak' thing - you characterize my response as 'driven by fear' rather than address the issue of Trump potentially initiating a fascistic type militarism against the US population. If you think this is an unfounded 'fear', then please convince me otherwise. That's the way debate works, rather than just a throw-away walk-away comment.

I am certainly going to hold my breath if Trump wins and hope our democracy has sufficient checks-and-balances in the broader system to withstand an assault from the presidency itself. In fact, I have a hunch that with a Trump presidency, the states will become powerful in a way not experienced here-to-fore.

Please take a look at what Trump is saying he will do. Please look at the threats he makes against his opponents. Please listen to what his supporters think we should do with particular people and groups of people.

And with that, folks, I will concede that all of you on the Left are right about everything. I am wrong on everything. Hillary is the greatest and Trump is pure evil. I will now leave this thread to the much higher intelligences to whom it belongs.

Silly response. Yes, I have characterized. This is a silly response.

 

[Han]

I think you don't know who your friends are.

Correct, and on so many levels.

 

[Tyger]

There is also something else to be kept in mind - the change-over of generations. The long view.

In 20 years we will be in a very different world. Sadly - in 2036 - Climate Change will be the wolf in the house, not just on the door-step. Baby-boomers will be pretty much dead and gone (except for the hearty few). The millenials will be in charge and they are Bernie supporters, progressive in outlook (the 'share' economy crowd). New personalities will be in and stepping up to political life in 2036 if not 2020. The current 10 and 12 year olds will be out in the world. It won't be the same with generations who have seen economic down-turns and endless wars fought half a world away. Anyone care to guess what kind of world they will inisist upon?

Much will depend in 2036 on what we do now, for sure. Bush/Cheney decisions in 2003 have profoundly impacted our current world. Who would have guessed any of this in 2000? A time of such hope, prosperity, even peace, in the world - to have come to this.

 

[Tyger]

Anyone care to guess what kind of world they will inisist upon?

I am going to answer my own question, because I love future-thinking.

Clinton is status-quo - steady as she goes - stability, not WWIII - and with a fairly ambitious social agenda -
LINK: Hillary Clinton’s quiet revolution
There will likely be social unrest because of Trumpism itself. Like Obama had to deal with despicable racism, Clinton will have to deal with despicable misogyny. The social atmosphere will be polarised in that way, but only for a while, as her social agenda starts to ease the economic tensions in the country - especially if she can get Single Payer passed. Big Money will continue to move against her (make no mistake), despite the spin that she is 'bought'.

Trump is change however you slice it, and will likely speed up the regionalization of the US, while climate change alters the geography of the US. I think the effects of Trump we will be looking at a loosening of the federal government. as states and regions band together to off-set the negatives of D.C.

Looking like: Strongest: the Far West - California, Oregon, Washington State, maybe Nevada, with other states allied regionally to the powerful economic juggernaut that is - and will continue to be - California (even with Climate Change impacting due to progressive planning);

Weakest (unless it becomes the military arm of the federal government): The South, which would include the strong economy of Texas as ballast (Florida will be gone - shadow of itself);

Weak: The West and Mid-West with Chicago as economic center (will benefit, will become stronger, if it turns towards Canada);

Ties for Strongest: Northeast and the Mid-Atlantic Corridor.

I should write a book - or at least a screen play.

 

[Jeff Davis]

2016 Election Predictions: Latest Polls Show Hillary Clinton Losing Her Lead And New Potential Path To Victory For Donald Trump

The case against Hillary Clinton

Win or Lose, Hillary is Finished - Rasmussen Reports™

Hillary Clinton 'drops below electoral vote threshold needed to win US election 2016' | Daily Mail Online

 

[Tyger]

These are updated regularly. The spreads are so significant it's hard to see Trump winning. Except, electoral votes.

LINK: HuffPost Pollster - Polls and Charts

Obama Approval Rating Favorable 54%
Obama Job Approval Favorable 52%

Democratic Unfavorable Rating 48%
Hillary Clinton Unfavorable Rating 55%

Republican Unfavorable Rating 57%
Donald Trump Unfavorable Rating 59%

2016 General Election: Trump vs Clinton
Hillary Clinton 48%
Donald Trump 43%

 

[SRL+]

Once again, this is the web’s most reliable predictor, and all the indicators point toward a Clinton victory. As in any polling, there is a margin of error, and Trump still in fact could win the election, as it all comes down to electoral votes in which 270 is required. New Hampshire may end up making the difference.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

And no, we’re probably not heading toward any nuclear exchange with Russia anytime soon. It just may seem like it.

Again, this podcast is extremely interesting and explains why. (not directed toward anyone in particular)

Nuclear Policy And The Next President

On Point with Tom Ashbrook | Podcasts

 

[Han]

Urban Dictionary has a few definitions for the term "libtard" which is considered derogatory. I do not call people names if I can help it and I am not calling anyone here this name but the definitions seem to fit a few here within this political thread. I only wish there was a politically correct term that many here would not be offended by that would have the same definition. Maybe "Hardlib" or something similar.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Too late

- throws out an insult that includes mentally challenged people
- claims not to use them and that he's not calling anyone here that
- then says that some here are actually that

Logic fail + poorly veiled insults = delusions of grandeur.

Listen, when the loudmouth in the toupee loses, will you people stop?

Don't take the bate Marduk

 

[pixelsmith]

Forum nazis are limiting free speech again I see. Not my forum so I guess it is acceptable to delete posts.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk