The Official Paracast Political Thread!

[SRL+]

Stupid is as stupid does.

It’s been rumored that arguing with stupidity is similar to teaching a pig how to sing, as it’s simply a waste of time & it annoys the pig.

 

[Wade]

I never thought I would see the words carpet munching so often in a paranormal forum.

 

[Wade]

These two candidates have no shame they even manage to filthy up the Al Smith dinner for the NY Catholic Diocese which is sacrosanct. Although Trump did draw first blood.

 

[Jeff Davis]

I understand that people were tricked into Brexit for the exact reasons you mention.

Britain was supposed to get a better deal! look at the value of sterling now.

Not only did we kick the politicians in the bum, we kicked ourselves in the head............

Where have you gone mr cameron, our lonely nation turns its eyes to you.

or as Frank Sinatra might have sung:

trump and farage, go together like a horse and carriage, ask the local gentry they will tell you its element ary, trump and farage........

If it makes me a lefty liberal so be it, but I for one am sick of people misusing and misrepresenting my flag.

I consider farage a traitor.

Han, if you're not aware already, the USA is presently fractured and broken into many pieces due to all the factional divisions that have been created by design, whereof there literally is no real measurable voting majority left here with which to boot the oligarchy out of our country with, it is simply because either one, you aren't a citizen who works hard and pays the ridiculous taxes demanded of those who live here, or two, the media does not factually elucidate, portray, highlight, or project the endless examples within our society that have basically strangulated any real essence of an operative democracy left in place within our country. My guess is that your understanding and perceptions come from a very real combination of both. The truth Han, the Democrats, by using the false empowerment of minorities, the welfare parasites, racial subdivision, and the rest of the various special interest groups that they feign (as in a total pretense) support for, as populous based voting targets that allow for the forwarding of their devolution centered political entrenchment here. Everything the Democrats stand for sends the notion of a real unified country reeling backwards into the societal stone age.

Let me please give you just one quick example: Name me one single Ghetto within the USA that has gotten smaller due to Welfare programs. Whereas I can name you 5 major cities in the USA that are now complete wasteland Ghettos from one border to the next thanks to the progressively devolutionary nature of Welfare.

Every program the liberals employ works this way. Their "way" is to enable the weak and impoverished to stay weak and impoverished as long as it creates a loyal voting base that reflects support back at them during elections. The more the better.

We often hear of many metaphors by and of which FRIENDS (like yourself, @Gene Steinberg , and @S.R.L.) attempt to elucidate basic truths to one another concerning local, or immediate environmental relevancies, that our friends themselves may not share perspective positions with, or can't truly relate to because of not having experienced it first hand directly due their own outside, or foreign environmental orientation. The best metaphor that I can personally think of right now offhand, with the intent of describing the USA's media projected societal imagery, is a big fancy Church. But not just any old big fancy church. An all stained glass church first and foremost because that's how the media wants the rest of the world to see us. They want everyone to think that we're this holy and blessed morally altruistic institution built on the sacred ground of "come all yee tired, hungry, and sick and we'll make it all better for you" nonsense. The church merely bears out the appearance of sanctity with all it's fancy externalized stained glass beauty. A beauty that reflects outwardly a proud and dignified image, while inwardly hiding a most grotesquely distorted and disfigured once held sacred social idealism. As those inside the church realize this and watch the destruction of the liberties they once held so dear, they are bound by the corrupt pulpit originated and projected ideologies created by the political machines tide of exponentially hypocritical political correctness. The real and original congregation of the church, those whose backs on which the church was originally founded and raised by, can't even raise an objection without being labeled over the church's PA system as being dangerous stone throwing extremists that could bring the whole thing crashing down any second. When in truth all they want is to get back to being a sincere and respectible congregation. Within this great mockery of liberty and equal justice, the founding membership is trapped within it's opaque fragile glass walls where the offering plate never stops being pushed in front of them while it's liberal choir boys are busy singing songs of ignorance self masturbatory adulation.

Han, the TRUTH of the matter is that the USA hasn't been that altruistic lady proper that our church's exterior would lead you to believe for better than 75 years now. You can now come here alright, in fact we ENCOURAGE thousands to do so illegitimately each year. As they do, they are blessed by the chief liberal hypocrite himself, the pathetic, pompous, and putrid pope of the liberal populous, whom the real and responsible congregation would all like to strangle the very breath right out of. Go ahead, pack and head this way. Just as long as you're willing to work for peanuts, live twenty to a room, become under the table fruit & vegetable pickers, or lawn mowers, and you can vote for any of the lame ass corporate puppets that are fronting the puppet show political regime wherein the world bankers have been pulling the strings for the last 75+ years. But don't come here expecting the land of the free, and the home of the brave cause you ain't going to find it. Let alone the once REAL level playing field, the free pioneering venture capitalist mentality and philosophy, that this country was BUILT on in the first place. And BTW, we're *thee* place place voted most likely to successfully host and rear any mother's illegitimate children via a healthcare system designed to enable bums, vagrants, drug addicts, and welfare parasites of all types, while bankrupting the hard working class, and the rest of those that have too much of that aforementioned pioneering spirit to accept illegitimate handouts like the scum that the tax payers do in fact support routinely.

This is the uncensored TRUTH Han. When you ask someone from the USA their version of the truth, be sure to ask them if they are employed and whether they are truly self reliant. It seems to make a HUGE difference as to which version of the truth that they play to. Ask whether they belong to anyone of the aforementioned minorities, or special interest groups that I mentioned. Those that have sadly had the wool pulled over their eyes in the name of a softer, easier, and falsely empowered minimalist's existence. Especially any of those that believe the INSANE level of prevalent anti white, working class racism, as well as the thoroughly false notions of special interest prejudices, that the democrats have lovingly (strategically) heaped on our conservative heads like hot coals. Believe me, it's not all, but rather a majority of these select groups of people, that align themselves with the liberals. There is a very real and strong segment coming from within each of these groups that sees past the Democrat's fake smoke and mirrors tactics. These numbers are growing in favor of an all encompassing conservatism all the time. This is because they do in fact see the fruits of their labor, despite their universal enslavement to the tax system, and feel the extremely healthy sense of personal humble pride associated with being among those with a rugged self reliant individualist's determination to rise above. The stock of people that built this country, and the stock of those on whose backs it continues to be carried despite the great burden imposed upon them.

 

[Gene Steinberg]

Jeff feel free to believe any wacky theory you want, but it isn't the unvarnished truth, not close.

One thing that is true is that changes need to be made. But Trump hasn't a clue about anything but getting his name on it. No major party is capable of presenting the candidate who will signify change "you can believe it," nor will any of those so-called third-party candidates.

Things are definitely not so good for lots of people. My financial situation tanked beginning with the Bush recession and never recovered. I am not the only one suffering. But Trump can't such problems; he hasn't a clue how anything works.

So how do we find a non-violent way of fixing what's broken?

 

[Jeff Davis]

This wasn’t even a Stanford study.

Stanford Study Proves Election Fraud through Exit Poll Discrepancies

“WHAT'S FALSE: The paper was not a "Stanford Study," and its authors acknowledged their claims and research methodology had not been subject to any form of peer review or academic scrutiny.”

And these quotes below:

Clinton Iowa Caucus EXPOSED! Caught Committing VOTER FRAUD (Video)

“Hillary Clinton’s campaign appears to have committed voter fraud in Polk County last night, during the Democrat Iowa Caucus.”

“Socialist candidate Bernie Sanders’ supporters are claiming that the county caucus chair Drew Gentsch in the video (below), along with precinct captain Elizabeth Buck, did not really count Clinton supporters. Instead, they were busy misleading the caucus-goers at precinct #43."

“This is a very serious, criminal accusation. As a Reddit user explained”

If this is so earth shattering, then where’s the big news of an indictment?

I could go on; however, there is very little chance of voter fraud as the truth is below. That is, unless National Public Radio is also part of a vast conspiracy.

Why Worries About Paperless Voting Loom Larger This Year

Here we have S.R.L. going at it. So what do we get? A lazily copy and pasted quote of "information" from the comments section of the pages that I linked to, that's what!

It was most CERTAINLY a Stanford University study or WTF ever. Here's the PDF. Geijsel_CortesBarragan_2016_A_Dishonest_Election.pdf

The rest is MORE copy and past. Imagine that!

If you are going to comment at least give me something of substance to go at. Sheesh!

 

[Goggs Mackay]

Actually you have a point, nobody mentions what Rumsfeld said the day before 9/11. Not Bush, not his successors on the job, and certainly not the current administration. They are all hiding something there.

 

[Jeff Davis]

Jeff feel free to believe any wacky theory you want, but it isn't the unvarnished truth, not close.

One thing that is true is that changes need to be made. But Trump hasn't a clue about anything but getting his name on it. No major party is capable of presenting the candidate who will signify change "you can believe it," nor will any of those so-called third-party candidates.

Things are definitely not so good for lots of people. My financial situation tanked beginning with the Bush recession and never recovered. I am not the only one suffering. But Trump can't such problems; he hasn't a clue how anything works.

1. So how do we find a non-violent way of fixing what's broken?

And Gene, you keep right on bathing in that river called denial all you like.

1. Start by doing anything possible to get the Oligarchy out of office. Vote for Trump!

 

[Wade]

So how do we find a non-violent way of fixing what's broken?

I'm not so sure we can , compare all those somewhat peaceful color revolutions in the past few decades...which even now has or is starting to unravel... to the Bolshevik French, and American revolutions. That's when REAL change took place. I think that's what it will take but probably only when a majority of the white population is forced to subside on government handouts and go hungry and cold and live in abject poverty like much of our native Americans.

Those that want Trump to win shouldn't despair when he loses because he's not going away. The man will start a movement, either because he believes in the cause or because he figured out awhile ago it will garner him a lot more attention.

 

[SRL+]

Here we have S.R.L. going at it. So what do we get? A lazily copy and pasted quote of "information" from the comments section of the pages that I linked to, that's what!

It was most CERTAINLY a Stanford University study or WTF ever. Here's the PDF. Geijsel_CortesBarragan_2016_A_Dishonest_Election.pdf

The rest is MORE copy and past. Imagine that!

If you are going to comment at least give me something of substance to go at. Sheesh!

There are many thoughtful responses to the study & most are critical.
Apparently, the study has yet to be peer reviewed.

Potential Election Fraud Study - 2016 w/update

Here’s just one example …

Steven D--

I did read the report. I also had a look at the authors' tabulated data. I use statistics in my work from time to time, so I think I'm not commenting out of ignorance. Here are a few thoughts about what I read:

1--The authors assume that exit polls are a reliable point of reference to which published results may be compared. Is that assumption correct?
2--The authors list 24 states in their sample set. Just wondering about the rest. Are those all caucus states? Were the data unavailable? An explanation would have been nice.
3--The authors separate their data into two subsets: those with a paper trail (14) and those without (10). Neither sample set is large.
4--Of the 10 listed states without a paper trail, 8 are in the South, and Clinton had huge majorities in all of them. She had huge majorities even in the exit polls. It would be interesting to hear a hypothesis for why these states would have been inclined to vote fraud on behalf of Clinton.
5--The authors appear to have committed a very basic error: they did not report results for the aggregated data (that is, all 24 states) and then compare those results to what they found for the two subsets. What they might try to do, say, is to look at the distributions of what I will call delta (equal to Clinton reported percentage minus Clinton exit poll percentage) for the two subsets and compare those to the aggregate. Doing this sort of test is, in my opinion, essential. The authors did not do it, or at least did not report on it.

Also, this is worth considering:
A comprehensive investigation of voter impersonation finds 31 credible incidents out of one billion ballots cast

 

[Jeff Davis]

There are many thoughtful responses to the study & most are critical.
Apparently, the study has yet to be peer reviewed.

Potential Election Fraud Study - 2016 w/update

Here’s just one example …

Steven D--

I did read the report. I also had a look at the authors' tabulated data. I use statistics in my work from time to time, so I think I'm not commenting out of ignorance. Here are a few thoughts about what I read:

1--The authors assume that exit polls are a reliable point of reference to which published results may be compared. Is that assumption correct?
2--The authors list 24 states in their sample set. Just wondering about the rest. Are those all caucus states? Were the data unavailable? An explanation would have been nice.
3--The authors separate their data into two subsets: those with a paper trail (14) and those without (10). Neither sample set is large.
4--Of the 10 listed states without a paper trail, 8 are in the South, and Clinton had huge majorities in all of them. She had huge majorities even in the exit polls. It would be interesting to hear a hypothesis for why these states would have been inclined to vote fraud on behalf of Clinton.
5--The authors appear to have committed a very basic error: they did not report results for the aggregated data (that is, all 24 states) and then compare those results to what they found for the two subsets. What they might try to do, say, is to look at the distributions of what I will call delta (equal to Clinton reported percentage minus Clinton exit poll percentage) for the two subsets and compare those to the aggregate. Doing this sort of test is, in my opinion, essential. The authors did not do it, or at least did not report on it.

Also, this is worth considering:
A comprehensive investigation of voter impersonation finds 31 credible incidents out of one billion ballots cast

Come on S.R.L.! You're not even admitting that the information that you copied and pasted in the first place was unequivocally dead wrong. There is no justification for using data from someone else when you're participating on a forum like this. Especially when that data is not actually data at all. Rather what you're quoting (1-5) here consists of questions, suppositions, and conjecture that doesn't even begin to overturn what is clearly an evident case for fraud. Where is the facepalm emoticon when you really need it, eh? Fraud is fraud and the DNC committed it! The ONLY reason why there wasn't an indictment is the precise same reason Hillaryous is not sitting in jail this very moment. The woman is a criminal and a mobster and that's at the very least. The organization that she is a front for owns what is a thoroughly CORRUPT DOJ and it's sickening!!! Don't be a chump, vote Trump!

 

[matthew1977]

Jeff feel free to believe any wacky theory you want, but it isn't the unvarnished truth, not close.

One thing that is true is that changes need to be made. But Trump hasn't a clue about anything but getting his name on it. No major party is capable of presenting the candidate who will signify change "you can believe it," nor will any of those so-called third-party candidates.

Things are definitely not so good for lots of people. My financial situation tanked beginning with the Bush recession and never recovered. I am not the only one suffering. But Trump can't such problems; he hasn't a clue how anything works.

So how do we find a non-violent way of fixing what's broken?

Gene & other Hillary backers. Are you genuinely happy the way Obama has handled the last 8 years? Because that is exactly the way Hillary will run us (into the ground) if she wins. Trump is a better gamble on positive change.

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[Gene Steinberg]

Are you genuinely happy with the way "W" ran the economy into the ground, destroyed the efforts of President Bill Clinton to balance the budget, and put two wars on the country's credit card, which created the situation that destabilized the Middle East?

 

[SRL+]

Come on S.R.L.! You're not even admitting that the information that you copied and pasted in the first place was unequivocally dead wrong. There is no justification for using data from someone else when you're participating on a forum like this. Especially when that data is not actually data at all. Rather what you're quoting (1-5) here consists of questions, suppositions, and conjecture that doesn't even begin to overturn what is clearly an evident case for fraud. Where is the facepalm emoticon when you really need it, eh? Fraud is fraud and the DNC committed it! The ONLY reason why there wasn't an indictment is the precise same reason Hillaryous is not sitting in jail this very moment. The woman is a criminal and a mobster and that's at the very least. The organization that she is a front for owns what is a thoroughly CORRUPT DOJ and it's sickening!!! Don't be a chump, vote Trump!

What are you attempting to pull now fervent one? I was correct in pointing toward what you deem as scientific proof, when in fact it’s arguably a non-peer reviewed hack job.

For gawd’s sake, get a grip..., there’s still a couple of weeks left until your Trumpster lands in the dumpster.

 

[Tyger]

Gene & other Hillary backers. Are you genuinely happy the way Obama has handled the last 8 years? Because that is exactly the way Hillary will run us (into the ground) if she wins. Trump is a better gamble on positive change.

Obama has done the best he could bucking a head-wind - Congressional/Republican obstructionism.

We are far from having been 'run into the ground'. Obama has righted a sinking ship. Nothing is perfect. Some of the problems are systemic to the way the economy is functioning: Capitalism's last gasp, as it were.

Trump is definitely a gamble, one I am not willing to risk. Based on his track record as a businessman (among other things), he will hardly be a harbinger of positive change. There is nothing in the tenor of his rhetoric that bodes positive for the US.

 

[Tyger]

Start by doing anything possible to get the Oligarchy out of office. Vote for Trump!

Vote out the bad seeds in the Congress. That's where the dry rot is. Voting for Trump will do nothing as long as the Congress remains unchanged.

 

[matthew1977]

Are you genuinely happy with the way "W" ran the economy into the ground, destroyed the efforts of President Bill Clinton to balance the budget, and put two wars on the country's credit card, which created the situation that destabilized the Middle East?

"Clit"ton saved the country money cause he cut our military to unsafe levels, then after 9/11 we had to re-build our military which costed us way more (debt) than had Cliton left good enuf alone. President George "W" Bush has my respect for doing an excellent job. i am taken back by your response as i have not heard any positive comments regarding Obama (I live in the mid-west). Good to hear, however it is clear our values are vastly different (prostitution/adultary etc) thus it is hard to swallow. (i.e. like the stain on Monica's dress)

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[Gene Steinberg]

Ask the millions of people who lost jobs due to W's incompetence, or the thousands of soldiers who died or were permanently injured due to his unnecessary wars about what an excellent job is.

As to actions between consenting adults, I have other priorities. It's not that Trump is innocent of such behavior.

 

[Jeff Davis]

Ask the millions of people who lost jobs due to W's incompetence, or the thousands of soldiers who died or were permanently injured due to his unnecessary wars about what an excellent job is.

As to actions between consenting adults, I have other priorities. It's not that Trump is innocent of such behavior.

The conservatism that I reference is a core objective philosophy practiced by millions and millions of very successful people. It has NOTHING to do with being a "republican". Kennedy was VERY much a conservative in this sense, as have been many GREAT democrat presidents before him.

Don't be sucked into the ridiculous this side against that side nonsense. W, just like his father was a corporate factional front or "shill" for the precise same Oligarchy of a global elite that Bill and Hillary have served to front. ALL of them are on their payroll. The sugar lobby in the USA is a perfect mirror of this type of both sides playing for or against the middle. The difference between the two parties is NOT one of idealism or methodology. The ONLY difference is which military industrial complex faction that either directly represents. These are specific and verifiable business interests and they don't see or reflect humanity as anything but a potential means to accomplish their profit driven goals. Democrat equal one corporate power scheme, Republican equal another corporate power scheme.

The central political and sociological agenda that is forwarded while either is in office is IDENTICAL. They DO NOT call these shots. Wake up!

Why do you think what is referred to as "Obama Care" something that has basically laid utter waste to real responsible small businesses by the thousands across the USA, as well as the medical industry here in general, is actually the ACA (affordable care act) which was designed, written, and presented by Mitt Romney a Republican for the state of Massachusetts?

The media just out and outright owns a good deal of you, and it's pathetic!!!

This partisan bickering between friends is EXACTLY what the Oligarchy depends on to maintain the lack of a REAL majority rule in the USA that sees them remain in power wherein they control all monetary exchange and standards (fake!) for the global banking network that they themselves own.

This is the ONLY reason why voting for TRUMP is so critical. He is well OUTSIDE this Oligarchic entrenchment and system of control. Please, for the sake of REAL freedom and liberty WTFU!!!!

 

[Gene Steinberg]

You clearly live in an alternate reality.