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pixelsmith
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rather than flying directly into the pentagon from its flight path, a 757 performed an impossible maneuver in order to impact the far side of the building, then flew a few inches off the undisturbed lawn, folded its wings and titanium engines back and made a 16 foot hole with its soft aluminum nose thru recently reinforced walls.
what is so hard to believe about that?
other than not needing demolitions experts to take down hi rise buildings anymore the next best thing to come out of the 9/11 events is that we can now arm our service men with nothing but simple box cutters. those things are more powerful than the radar and missile systems used by the pentagon.
what is so hard to believe about that?
other than not needing demolitions experts to take down hi rise buildings anymore the next best thing to come out of the 9/11 events is that we can now arm our service men with nothing but simple box cutters. those things are more powerful than the radar and missile systems used by the pentagon.
boomerang
Paranormal Adept
Anyone care to guess how many hours of flying experience it takes to make a passenger jet approach at that angle and hit the side of a low building? Anyone care to guess how few real flight simulators ( not home PC apps--the real thing) are available and what they cost? And yes--that little matter of only one video that doesn't show squat.
Slim Shady
Skilled Investigator
I can't even hit the pentagon on realistic settings on microsoft flight similator X....
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pixelsmith
Guest
btw- you cannot even maintain lift with a 757 at a few inches off the ground... unless you have magic box cutters I guess.
PararealitySaint
An Open Minded Skeptic
Someone on this forum stated (as we talked about 9/11 on another thread) that they witnessed the jet fly directly into the Pentagon. I don't have the time to look at the old thread but why is this so difficult to believe for so many?
Someone also stated that there were no engines left from the crash to show in the debris.
Someone also stated that the jet wreckage was next to nil and this cannot be for a 757.
I wasn't there so I can only go with some of the in depth investigatory work people have come up with.
Here is one of the excellent sites on thus:
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0265.shtml
Someone also stated that there were no engines left from the crash to show in the debris.
Someone also stated that the jet wreckage was next to nil and this cannot be for a 757.
I wasn't there so I can only go with some of the in depth investigatory work people have come up with.
Here is one of the excellent sites on thus:
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0265.shtml
Ron Collins
Curiously Confused
That is not true. All you need to maintain lift is airspeed and an airfoil (the wigs). Where can i see a graphical representation of this "impossible maneuver"? I would really like to see this and get a few pilot friends take on it.
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I would like to see the path it took but presumable not that many. Much of what you would need to know are things like airspeed and flap settings, fuel weight, and gross weight. The hardest things about flying are what these guys didn't care about. Namely landing and taking off. The rest is In flight reseource management and learning how to bank and turn a heavy.
To add a few more points, I think you would be better off sticking to arguments about the technical feasibility of the flight path. Those are things that can not be easily shrugged off. If they are demonstrably impossible that is.
Slim Shady
Skilled Investigator
how did it drop to that altitude without hitting a surrounding building ?
trainedobserver
Paranormally Disenchanted
Can we at least get an admission that whoever flew the plane in the manner depicted in the black box recording was a fantastic pilot who pushed the 757 to it operational limits and beyond? Or no, could it be that anyone could have pulled that maneuver off with a little seat time in a Cessna. and a few Allah Akbars? Clearly, only irrational fools question the government's version of what happened there. Hey, at least the Kool-Aid is nice and cold.
trainedobserver
Paranormally Disenchanted
I'm not going with any theory other than one of the hijackers flew the plane into the pentagon. The flight recorder data stuff that I looked at years ago was on the pilots for 911 truth website.
Double Nought Spy
May I please go back to the zoo now?
Has anyone ever offered even a plausible theory of where that plane and all the people on it went if not into the Pentagon? I'm not demanding evidence here, just asking if anyone has thought up a scenario that lets that plane disappear without a trace. Does this not trouble the people who say there was no plane at the Pentagon? Even Flight 800 had numerous witnesses, out over the Atlantic.
Ron Collins
Curiously Confused
I went to the site trained mentioned and read this article. Is there a counterpoint that demonstrates at these conclusions are wrong?
I am very new to all this conspiracy stuff. It is not my cup of tea typically.
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Kieran
Paranormal Adept
Surprising thing is there's plenty of evidence that does confirm a plane crashed into the Pentagon. I'd advise the people who still doubt the official versions of events go and watch some archived videos of that very day, you'll soon learn, a lot of people witnessed a plane hit as it happened!
Look here is the United States News Archive of 9/11-- plenty of eyewitnesses describing what they saw, that day! September 11 Television Archive : Free Movies : Download & Streaming : Internet Archive
Well again here people are overlooking the obvious answer, for a question proposed here.
Two passenger airliners hit the North and South Towers and both planes can be seen entering one side of the buildings, and never coming out the other end, the buildings completely engulfed each plane respectively and no visible sign thereafter was seen of those two planes. What happened at the Pentagon is not that unusual because of that, we have two real life examples filmed, that show this isn't a bizarre thing at all/planes do and can disappear and break upon hitting certain buildings at fast speeds.
A number of metal pieces with American Airlines coloring is seen in photographs, taken at the Pentagon, that day. The fire at the Pentagon, and the firefighters battling those fires are also in the frame of many of these photographs, like come on people, this is good evidence a plane indeed crashed there, and components from a plane have been found in the debris of the Pentagon. It ludcrious people still now claim a missile or something else crashed there. It it so funny to me, especially when photographs, clearly show evidence for a plane crash at the Pentagon!
I agree sometimes with Pixel, but 9/11 seriously he needs to look at the evidence properly with some perceptive of the world around him. Also Pixel box-cutters and knifes still would be classed as weapons that can kill and injure and maim. We can't say for sure know what type of weapons were used perhaps by the terrorists, I think.
But Pixel the terrorists who hijacked these planes weren't hijacking planes filled with people with military backgrounds- tough guys, must of these people, were just ordinary people, who had everyday lives and fears like everybody else, and non of the people aboard the planes that crashed into the towers in New York, knew before this, they were not going to make it out of this alive, such a thing, had never happened before hijacked planes crashing into buildings, thing about it.
Look here is the United States News Archive of 9/11-- plenty of eyewitnesses describing what they saw, that day! September 11 Television Archive : Free Movies : Download & Streaming : Internet Archive
Well again here people are overlooking the obvious answer, for a question proposed here.
Two passenger airliners hit the North and South Towers and both planes can be seen entering one side of the buildings, and never coming out the other end, the buildings completely engulfed each plane respectively and no visible sign thereafter was seen of those two planes. What happened at the Pentagon is not that unusual because of that, we have two real life examples filmed, that show this isn't a bizarre thing at all/planes do and can disappear and break upon hitting certain buildings at fast speeds.
A number of metal pieces with American Airlines coloring is seen in photographs, taken at the Pentagon, that day. The fire at the Pentagon, and the firefighters battling those fires are also in the frame of many of these photographs, like come on people, this is good evidence a plane indeed crashed there, and components from a plane have been found in the debris of the Pentagon. It ludcrious people still now claim a missile or something else crashed there. It it so funny to me, especially when photographs, clearly show evidence for a plane crash at the Pentagon!
I agree sometimes with Pixel, but 9/11 seriously he needs to look at the evidence properly with some perceptive of the world around him. Also Pixel box-cutters and knifes still would be classed as weapons that can kill and injure and maim. We can't say for sure know what type of weapons were used perhaps by the terrorists, I think.
But Pixel the terrorists who hijacked these planes weren't hijacking planes filled with people with military backgrounds- tough guys, must of these people, were just ordinary people, who had everyday lives and fears like everybody else, and non of the people aboard the planes that crashed into the towers in New York, knew before this, they were not going to make it out of this alive, such a thing, had never happened before hijacked planes crashing into buildings, thing about it.
PararealitySaint
An Open Minded Skeptic
I am not sure I understand what you mean by this quote, but if it is an assumption that something other than a 757 hit the Pentagon that day, please provide your "evidence" that this is the case.
If I misread what you meant by this quote, please accept my apology and disregard.
muse
Peering Down the Rabbit Hole
HotSoup, did you mean that some conspiracy theories are mass delusions? That's how I read that; please correct me if I am mistaken.
As a side-note, Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds by Charles Mackay (first published in 1841) is still one of the best books on mass delusions, in my opinion.
As a side-note, Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds by Charles Mackay (first published in 1841) is still one of the best books on mass delusions, in my opinion.
exo_doc
Foolish Earthling
Has anyone here actually been to the Pentagon? There are no other buildings anywhere near it. It also sits on a slight knoll or rise. The jet was not flying inches above the ground, it dived at a slight angle, I'm guessing somewhere around 20-30 degrees, but it was definantly a dive.
And there was video of the jet hitting the Pentagon, but it was one of those jerky vids that only takes a frame every half second or so, and it only shows a large blurry mass in a single frame. You can't even make out what it is.
That is the only thing that has bothered me about the Pentagon incident,.....the lack of any decent vids because when I was there, it seemed like there was a camera every 10 feet everywhere (exagerration)....but you get my point. What happened to those vids? Why haven't they been released?
And there was video of the jet hitting the Pentagon, but it was one of those jerky vids that only takes a frame every half second or so, and it only shows a large blurry mass in a single frame. You can't even make out what it is.
That is the only thing that has bothered me about the Pentagon incident,.....the lack of any decent vids because when I was there, it seemed like there was a camera every 10 feet everywhere (exagerration)....but you get my point. What happened to those vids? Why haven't they been released?
Kieran
Paranormal Adept
Good point Lance. The video that was released officially was from camera set up at a checkpoint stop close to the Pentagon/off the building.
People claim there was 80 plus cameras that should have seen this plane, well ok 80 visible cameras should be able to be seen outside on the walls of were the plane hit so! I couldn't even see one from the photographs I looked at. If you are talking about inside of the Pentagon, yes probably is lot of cameras inside, but those cameras are useless, as regards to evidence there not going to pick up anything that did happen outside on 9/11!