The Roswell Slides Have Been Leaked Online

[Bob Watson]

Maybe while he's at it he can apologize for accusing me of creating the alien autopsy. I don't expect that, but it would be nice.

I do not believe we will see George again... and why? because George was in my humble opinion a rare breed on these forums...you see I believe we have been all trolled...

 

[Constance]

Speak for yourself, vesve. Or have you appointed yourself spokesperson for the whole forum?

 

[Last Laugh]

I do not believe we will see George again... and why? because George was in my humble opinion a rare breed on these forums...you see I believe we have been all trolled...

Could it be so?
Well George, if indeed you are but a masterful troll, then bravo I say. Bravo.

 

[Angel of Ioren]

The most amazing thing to me is that this topic has lasted 67 pages.

 

[Bob Watson]

I was not speaking for the entire fourms I posted my opinion that George is a troll if I said something that gave you the opinion that I spoke for anyone but me I am sorry.

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[Christopher O'Brien]

*yawn* I suppose me 'n Clifford should head over to the Yavapai Cultural Center and fast talk our way into the storage area and take some pics of the little dessicated whipper-snapper. It's less than a mile from my house and Clifford thinks he can convince them to let us confirm that it's the same "mummy." Then, I'll submit an invoice to Maussan to collect our"$10,000" reward.

 

[Sentry]

*yawn* I suppose me 'n Clifford should head over to the Yavapai Cultural Center a...

Chris, I like part of that idea. It'd be nice if he could get something in writing from the NPS that formally declares this to be the same body. Also, It'd be wonderful to obtain a statement from the people condemning the disrespect shown by Maussan by dragging this beyond the point of a farce.

Clifford is just the man to make this happen.

 

[Han]

*yawn* I suppose me 'n Clifford should head over to the Yavapai Cultural Center and fast talk our way into the storage area and take some pics of the little dessicated whipper-snapper. It's less than a mile from my house and Clifford thinks he can convince them to let us confirm that it's the same "mummy." Then, I'll submit an invoice to Maussan to collect our"$10,000" reward.

I think you should be in line for 15k if you can get a photograph too.
I am afraid that maussan will try not to pay up, because it would be an admission of his error.

 

[DaveM]

I think you should be in line for 15k if you can get a photograph too.
I am afraid that maussan will try not to pay up, because it would be an admission of his error.

Getting money from Maussan will be comparable to getting a payout from the Amazing Randi for paranormal proof. It will never happen.

 

[George Wingfield]

I do not believe we will see George again... and why? because George was in my humble opinion a rare breed on these forums...you see I believe we have been all trolled...

Sorry to disappoint you, Vesvehighfolk (whover you may be) but I am right here and I am no troll. This forum and Kevin Randle's 'Different Perspective' is infested with trolls, netidiots like Flatwoods, and some of the Roswell Slides hoaxers themselves using various fake identities. This is probably not so different from various other UFO/alien forums so it's a waste of time using such forums to try to establish the truth of any matter. There are, of course, some good folk and serious researchers out there too but their voices are often drowned out by the hoaxers and the loonies.

Assuming you are not one of the hoaxers or loonies, Vesvehighfolk, let me recap a few important points that have been established regarding the Roswell Slides Hoax:

(1) This was a carefully planned and orchestrated hoax initially aimed at Roswell researchers and Roswell Alien believers.

(2) The two alleged slides supposedly showing a dead alien and of 1947/1948 origin never existed and no actual photographic materials of that date were ever delivered to the investigators by the dubious Mr Adam Dew.

(3) Mr Adam Dew's absurd background story involving Hilda Ray/ Mamie Eisenhower/ a private viewing of an alien body at White Sands, etc., was a complete fiction without a shred of supporting evidence.

(4) All that was supplied to Jaime Maussan and the other Roswell researchers were digital images of uncertain origin and uncertain date. Whether they showed a FSX dummy alien or a (human) mummy that had been manipulated using Photoshop techniques is disputed but they certainly did not have any connection to Roswell or originate from 1947/1948.

(5) The principal hoaxers (apart from Mr Dew) were three of the same people who were closely associated with the 1995 Alien Autopsy Hoax of 1995 --namely John Lundberg, Rob Irving and Philip Mantle.

I will publish more facts that illustrate that this is the truth about this hoax but I don't have time to respond to the silliness and nonsense that is coming from some of these folk with fake identities.

 

[Bob Watson]

Lol nice try George! I am way to busy raising 4 kids to create a fraud and hoax. Sir I been here for years I am a known skeptic I stand that those who hoax are evil and peditors. You sir dont know me and my stand. I only use vesvehighfolk as a fourm name. I dont hide I told my real name before my wife is on the fourms to she uses her nickname rikki sir your style of writting and your claims mark you as a troll so since I offend you I will not be responding directly to you. Im done with the slides

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[Angel of Ioren]

George, you seem to be obsessed with people using pseudonyms - it's not a crime and it's pretty common online, as you well know. It drives me crazy when people try to put themselves above others. It's a logical fallacy. If the person makes a good point, who cares what their forum alias is. It shouldn't matter.

 

[George Wingfield]

George, you seem to be obsessed with people using pseudonyms - it's not a crime and it's pretty common online, as you well know. It drives me crazy when people try to put themselves above others. It's a logical fallacy. If the person makes a good point, who cares what their forum alias is. It shouldn't matter.

Angelo, I'll reply to you since I seem to have upset Vesvehighfolk with my somewhat sharp reply to his unfounded suggestion that I was a troll --and his posting of a picture of Gollum. This is an absurdity since, like him, I'm a Roswell Skeptic and I agree entirely with what he has to say about hoaxers. Although I disagree completely with Jaime Maussan --and with, say, Mormons or Scientologists-- I don't think any of them deserve to be targeted with a vicious hoax like this one.

I'm not "obsessed" with people using pseudonyms and I've no reason whatever to think that either you or Vesvehighfolk is a hoaxer. Nevertheless some of these people do use fake identities with which to attack or discredit what honest researchers have to say. John Lundberg --calling himself 'Ostension' -- was perfectly civil when we discussed his film Mirage Men' on this forum but he vanished away swiftly at mention of the Roswell Slides. His colleague Rob Irving -posing as CommaderCronus on 'A Different Perspective'-- was typically aggressive and denied that he was Irving. Philip Mantle (who usually uses his own name now seems to have now disappeared). These three and their supporters also have other fake identities.

Unfortunately this sort of thing often makes a nonsense of any serious discussion on a forum and I'm not just talking about discussion of the Roswell Slides. Understandably many skeptics are so delighted with anything that makes a fool of Jaime Maussan that, without being the actual hoaxers, they give unqualified support to deceptions of this kind.

 

[Bob Watson]

George welcome to my ignore list be honored only one other person has gotten there my name again is Bob Peace out

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[Last Laugh]

Wait, George, you were insistent that the mummy was a SFX dummy. I think it's been proved beyond a reasonable doubt that this is an actual mummy. There is no evidence that it has been photoshopped and the 'anomalies' that you claimed made it seem alien don't exist when you see more detail.

Whether or not this was an intentional hoax, you claimed that this was a dummy, not a mummy. Can you see now that this is incorrect?

 

[Han]

I have to say that I disagree with George regarding this forum being full of trolls, it is however inhabited by strong minded and opinionated people, I can only speak for myself when I say the reason I use my real name is because I try to stand by what I say, I have a bad temper and using my own name makes me consider what I write more (as some of you know it does not always work .
I am on first name terms with many of the members and don't consider them using pseudonyms as an issue.

Regarding the slides I am now completely convinced that they show the "palmer"/Montezuma Castle mummy, provenance has been proven via the FOIA request, the placard is genuine, and so are the slides.
I do however agree with George when he says that this was a carefully planned hoax/deception.
People saw what they wanted to see, and the hoaxers whoever they are, were only too well aware that this would be the result.

I can not dispute Georges claim that Maussan never saw the original slides, because I don't know, however looking at the 5 existing pictures of the mummy and comparing them I can't see any evidence of image manipulation i.e photoshop, overall I think it is a case of deliberate mistaken identity.

I am astounded that maussan and LMH are still resisting logic, but then again their track records at discerning the truth are equally hilarious and ridiculous. I can't feel any sympathy for either of them because they are making money from continuing the charade.

 

[Constance]

I can not dispute Georges claim that Maussan never saw the original slides, because I don't know, however looking at the 5 existing pictures of the mummy and comparing them I can't see any evidence of image manipulation i.e photoshop, overall I think it is a case of deliberate mistaken identity.

Hi Harry. Re the blue-highlighted statement, we don't have access to the full complement of images transmitted by Dew to the others with whom he was ostensibly working. Which reminds me to ask, has Adam Dew surfaced yet in any public discussions of the 'Roswell slides' research project, which he set up and managed? I think @Sentry has mentioned recently (somewhere here) that either he or another researcher he knows has been in contact with Dew. This is the sort of information that should be shared if contemporary internet ufology is actually to achieve transparency from this point forward.

Re "deliberate mistaken identity," can you clarify what you mean? Thanks.

 

[Flatwoods]

Although I disagree completely with Jaime Maussan --and with, say, Mormons or ScientologistsHis colleague Rob Irving -posing as CommaderCronus on 'A Different Perspective'-- was typically aggressive and denied that he was Irving.

It's not aggressive to deny an accusation that is untrue. I use the pseudonym CommanderCronus on Kevin Randle's blog, and have identified myself as both Flatwoods and CommanderCronus on UFO Conjecture(s) blog. I have no idea what you're talking about when you say "aggressive". The closest I got to that was a little humorous sacrcasm after you made the dubious claim that I was this Rob Irving person, for absolutely no reason at all.

 

[Heidi Lemmer]

I love that George has the balls to use his real name. Says more about him than all these anonymous yahoo's. Especially prominent people in this field that slither into and out of conversations, afraid to own what they say in the moment. George may not be right with his connecting the dots but he sure as hell isn't wrong for trying.

 

[Han]

Re "deliberate mistaken identity," can you clarify what you mean? Thanks.

Hi Constance, what I am trying to say is that, I believe that the reason no US based Anthropologist wanted to be involved is because the knew what was depicted in the slides, lets put it like this: a FOIA request had to be filed because of sensitivities surrounding the treatment of deceased members of the people who inhabited the Montezuma Castle dwellings.

I believe that it was known very early on that it was indeed a mummy, and that is the reason why only certain "researchers" or "experts" were approached and employed.

The slides seem to be an ink dot test, and people with a Roswellian predisposition see a "creature" whilst others see a Mummy.

I think that enough experts have gone on record to say that the slides do indeed show a mummy. And even if we chose to ignore them the NPS documents put any doubts to rest, there is complete provenance from when the mummy was donated.

Just who knew what when is extremely hard to determine now, but it is entirely possible that somebody knew all along.

I think it is important to note that maussans position is now that: the mummy shown in the rays slide is a different size than in the NPS documents, yet every other feature matches, and I dispute the alleged measurements anyway.

The thing that sticks out like a saw thumb is: how did the "creature" become mummified in such a short period of time? the crash happened in 47 the same year that the rays slides were taken.

I want to be clear here: I honestly and sincerely see absolutely no connection to Roswell at all, and that is what they base their whole argument on.

There is now so much evidence showing that it is the "Palmer" mummy, I am at a loss to explain why anybody would say otherwise unless they have something to lose.