I don't know anyone who would risk the value of their life's work for "fun" and a minor cash profit. Do you?
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The Roswell Slides Have Been Leaked Online
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I don't know anyone who would risk the value of their life's work for "fun" and a minor cash profit. Do you?
Remember when Schmitt deliberately took a National Geographic crew to the wrong Roswell location?
Han
piscator ψ
Maybe J Maussan can't afford to pay for the translation, after all he claims to have lost 100k staging the event....................
Yeah, I read about that. I think it was a natural human reaction to the ways in which mass media organizations generally privilege conventional thinking over research that explores anomalous subject matter. Were I one of those researchers who have cooperated at length with such media organizations and had most of what I said tossed on the editing room floor, I'd have been inclined to do just what Schmitt did on that occasion.
He probably did, but I've read that he's fairly wealthy. Re finding and contracting with translators adequate to the material to be translated, and willing to translate it, likely takes time. EDITED: Translations for the two short and rather general texts could have been done by now, but I have to amend my statement with regard to the lengthy report by Dr. Jose Zalce, which requires an especially qualified translator. There are only so many hours in a day for Mausson to locate and contract with such an individual, and translating Zalce's detailed forensic report will also eat up many days, more likely weeks, for the translator who takes on that job..
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That really helps give the public accurate information. Yeah. Sure. To me, it was childish, unprofessional.
You're entitled to your opinion. I think you're refusing to consider the frustrations of researchers going against the grain of reductive explanations for a wide variety of anomalous subject matter. There's a limit to how long one should endure that situation.
Han
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Well he has had since the 5th of may.
But this hardly helps gain credibility for the subject.
Han
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Also the two Spanish speaking experts on Mummies that have since looked at the slides and the reports disagree:
"On May 17th, 2015, during an interview in Cuarto Milenio, a Spanish TV program, Prof. Miguel Botella, anthropologist, Director of the Physical Anthropology Lab, University of Granada, Spain, presented as “an expert on mummies,” explained why he disagrees with the report by José de Jesús Zalce Benítez (video in Spanish).
The overall comment by Dr. Botella is that it is a simple mummy and he does not understand why it is believed to be extraterrestrial. For the expert there is ABSOLUTELY NO indication of strangeness on the body. He said:
I want to start by saying that for me all this is a fable, because I do not doubt that this is a child, mummified in a natural way. It is a mummy dehydrated by heat. [...]
In the photos there is nothing extraordinary. The report speak of many things which are not seen, nor is it true that you have a large head and the bulging forehead is logical for a child.
The body has all its ribs, has elbows, and even the color is appropriate for a mummy. The body does not exhibited signs of having been subjected to an autopsy.
(Translation by José Antonio Caravaca)"
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On May 23, 2015, Mercedes González Fernández, director of the Instituto de Estudios Científicos en Momias (IECIM) [The Institute for the Scientific Study of Mummies, Spain] published her analysis, translated here:
Based on the two images on which the journalist Jaime Maussan and forensic anthropologist José Zalce have based their hypothesis that this is a nonhuman individual, we note the following evidence:
1) It is appreciated that the subject is placed on a glass shelf, which, in turn, is supported by a dark bracket embedded in a metal white rack. If we add the reflections that can be seen, we can say that the individual in question is inside a glass case.
2) This is a child’s mummified body, with all the characteristics of human beings, ergo, a humanoid.
3) It is impossible to determine whether the preservation of the body was due to natural or anthropogenic processes.
4) The size of the head seems larger than normal, but this is something common in mummified children individuals whose body is dehydrated, thereby reducing it, the head seems, in comparison, larger than normal.
5) It is very difficult to pinpoint the age at which the individual could have died, since there is no object that can be used as a scale to determine the actual length of the body and, through it, to infer the possible age of the subject .
6) In one of the slides can be seen clearly the floor of the room, and a wooden bench and in the top of the image, what appears to be another case. That is to say, we are talking about a body exhibited in a museum or similar institution.
Given the poor quality of the two slides, it is impossible to extrapolate any further evidence. The rest are but mere inference, which are most unlikely, considering what has been explained from these images.
Mercedes Gonzalez Fernandez
The Institute for the Scientific Study of Mummies (IECIM)
PO 15. Las Rozas – 28232 Madrid. Spain
"On May 17th, 2015, during an interview in Cuarto Milenio, a Spanish TV program, Prof. Miguel Botella, anthropologist, Director of the Physical Anthropology Lab, University of Granada, Spain, presented as “an expert on mummies,” explained why he disagrees with the report by José de Jesús Zalce Benítez (video in Spanish).
The overall comment by Dr. Botella is that it is a simple mummy and he does not understand why it is believed to be extraterrestrial. For the expert there is ABSOLUTELY NO indication of strangeness on the body. He said:
I want to start by saying that for me all this is a fable, because I do not doubt that this is a child, mummified in a natural way. It is a mummy dehydrated by heat. [...]
In the photos there is nothing extraordinary. The report speak of many things which are not seen, nor is it true that you have a large head and the bulging forehead is logical for a child.
The body has all its ribs, has elbows, and even the color is appropriate for a mummy. The body does not exhibited signs of having been subjected to an autopsy.
(Translation by José Antonio Caravaca)"
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On May 23, 2015, Mercedes González Fernández, director of the Instituto de Estudios Científicos en Momias (IECIM) [The Institute for the Scientific Study of Mummies, Spain] published her analysis, translated here:
Based on the two images on which the journalist Jaime Maussan and forensic anthropologist José Zalce have based their hypothesis that this is a nonhuman individual, we note the following evidence:
1) It is appreciated that the subject is placed on a glass shelf, which, in turn, is supported by a dark bracket embedded in a metal white rack. If we add the reflections that can be seen, we can say that the individual in question is inside a glass case.
2) This is a child’s mummified body, with all the characteristics of human beings, ergo, a humanoid.
3) It is impossible to determine whether the preservation of the body was due to natural or anthropogenic processes.
4) The size of the head seems larger than normal, but this is something common in mummified children individuals whose body is dehydrated, thereby reducing it, the head seems, in comparison, larger than normal.
5) It is very difficult to pinpoint the age at which the individual could have died, since there is no object that can be used as a scale to determine the actual length of the body and, through it, to infer the possible age of the subject .
6) In one of the slides can be seen clearly the floor of the room, and a wooden bench and in the top of the image, what appears to be another case. That is to say, we are talking about a body exhibited in a museum or similar institution.
Given the poor quality of the two slides, it is impossible to extrapolate any further evidence. The rest are but mere inference, which are most unlikely, considering what has been explained from these images.
Mercedes Gonzalez Fernandez
The Institute for the Scientific Study of Mummies (IECIM)
PO 15. Las Rozas – 28232 Madrid. Spain
There are many reasons for the 'lack of credibility' concerning the Roswell subject and the ufo subject as a whole in this country today. Shall we count the ways and means by which the credibility of these subjects has been destroyed? Maybe name some of the individuals and agencies that contributed to this lack of credibility? That will be a long list, which one day might be assembled and published.
Carey, Schmitt, Maussan, Bragalia (though he jumped off the train pretty quickly when it all came down around him)......
@Han, thanks for providing some other educated responses to the slides. The ambiguity of the body in the slides points to the need for, the motivation to obtain, further information from the archives of the museum(s) that have housed and likely examined the body. The last I've heard is that this 'mummified body' has not yet been reburied. Can you tell me why it would be less appropriate for further examinations to be made of that body than it was for its earlier examinations by museum employees?
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Those are the only people on your list? Surely you jest.
That's why I left dots.
Han
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I can't but the people at the museum can:
"A statement from Tara Travis, Ph.D., Supervisory Museum Curator, Mesa Verde National Park and Yucca House National Monument:
Recently we’ve received inquiries based on internet reports concerning the ancient remains of a human child which used to be on display in the Chapin Mesa Archeological Museum. We consulted with our National Park Service colleagues, who gave us this guidance: Out of respect for this child and his/her family, it was taken off public display many years ago. Although it was common practice in the past to display human remains in museums, we now try to treat them with the same respect we give to our own family members who have passed away.
There are many historical reports in the public domain of human remains that were recovered from various archeological sites in the Southwest in the early years. Interested readers can research authors like Dr. Jesse Walter Fewkes of the Smithsonian Institution and Gustav Nordenskiold. It’s important to remember that, regardless of how the remains were treated at the time of recovery, each was someone’s parent, child, and/or sibling. All should be treated with respect."
In other words: a new "investigation" based on the premise that the child in question crashed to earth on a flying saucer would be offensive.
Also why should scant resources be wasted because of dubious findings in two blurry slides? And why should access be granted to people that can't even work out its a mummy in the first place? or people that pretend that the slides have anything to do with Roswell.
Although I have never watched a full episode my understanding of the Ancient Alien theory is that the "ancients" had flying saucers rather than modern flying saucers being piloted by ancients, the idea of a mummy flying a saucer is beyond ridiculous, but maybe the crew of the saucer had just been on a museum robbing trip and had stowed the mummy on board before they crashed?
Burnt State
Paranormal Adept
"A mummy pilot?! Well that's the whole problem right there.
You never know what could be piloting these damn things!"
Han, I gather you're getting upset again about the intersection of the belated respect shown by the US PTB toward the Indians whose lives we destroyed in 'winning the west' for white anglosaxons. So I don't think it's wise to pursue this discussion with you. I will say that I do understand your perspective up to a point, but in the larger perspective of what we know and mostly do not know about our history on earth, I do not think it's unreasonable to seek further information about the body in the slides. The ancestors of this mummy likely knew far more about 'aliens' visiting from the sky than you or I ever will. My impression is that the Anasazi and the Hopi and many other aboriginal peoples in what is now called 'America' interacted with these others and had their own perspectives on reality expanded as a result. I think you're agonizing without purpose. The soul or spirit of this mummy, no matter where he came from, is not feeling any disrespect from explorers here attempting to understand the human (and maybe alien) past on this planet. There's much more to explore in existence beyond this one, which I gather most surviving consciousnesses leaving this planet are happy to leave behind.