The Roswell Slides Have Been Leaked Online

[Han]

I agree with all of what you say and see a sliding scale of guilt and culpability. Sentry points out there is a mystery regarding why it was not deblurred earlier by the owners of the slides and certainly the issue of seeing a low res copy could be to blame but who builds a research case on anything without seeing the primary evidence first? So all that blah blah blah about Kodak experts, and Dew claiming he thought he did due diligence is all very suspect at best.

There are different levels of response to a UFO event which are on a sliding scale from armchair speculator all the way to paid government scientist. The response will be the best it can be given the levels of access to information, and evidnce processing abilities available to the body doing the processing. The right tools for the right job was what RSRG did - so the capacity is there for some tasks.

Heidi, if you find a UFO in your backyard, hide it from your neighbours, contact Christopher O'Brien O'Brien who will put you in touch with Bigelow so you can sell it for big ca$h. I would use IsaacKoi to represent you and arrange for an appropriate escrow process to unfold. That is unless you feel like you want to engage in some weird science all your own. And in that case I would open source it here on the forums and make way for some interesting people to set up tents in your yard & get ready for some experiments. I would also encourage you to get manxman to run the bar and all around crowd supplies, get pixelsmith to manage the music lineup. Get stonehart in to headline. For chefs I'm not sure who is out there but i would pitch in to support a hell's kitchen. I'm hoping an eclectic collection of frenemies join in that cause.

Depending on the size of the ship you caught, and what kind of arrangements you can make with neighbours, you should still be able to get in a decent sized stage and lab facilities in place. Do you have a greenhouse? Anyways, I'm suggesting you go with a full on UFO culture festival, host a Paracast conference while you're at it. You'll have no end of guest speakers and hilariously wicked roundtable sessions (I'm seeing Constance , Angel of Ioren , Gene Steinberg , Tyger and George Wingfield as the big draw) with Wade Ridsdaleand Han to act as moderators to maintain sanity and decorum. Should be good times, a kind of UFO Mecca at the Lemmer's place. Please post pictures & video for those who can't make it.

I have enough trouble moderating myself! maybe cooking or tea detail would be more appropriate

Also would there be a TV deal? and who would play me in the Hollywood version? My preference would be a hologram of
Groucho Marx. (if the budget allows)

In all Seriousness, why is a Bigelow type not all over the "Roswell" slides?

Maybe the "government" is buying time to cover the tracks? or get rid of the evidence?

Or maybe the parks service etc are overstretched and under funded, and don't have time or resources to waste on wild goose chases?

 

[Angel of Ioren]

I agree with all of what you say and see a sliding scale of guilt and culpability. Sentry points out there is a mystery regarding why it was not deblurred earlier by the owners of the slides and certainly the issue of seeing a low res copy could be to blame but who builds a research case on anything without seeing the primary evidence first? So all that blah blah blah about Kodak experts, and Dew claiming he thought he did due diligence is all very suspect at best.

There are different levels of response to a UFO event which are on a sliding scale from armchair speculator all the way to paid government scientist. The response will be the best it can be given the levels of access to information, and evidnce processing abilities available to the body doing the processing. The right tools for the right job was what RSRG did - so the capacity is there for some tasks.

Heidi, if you find a UFO in your backyard, hide it from your neighbours, contact Christopher O'Brien O'Brien who will put you in touch with Bigelow so you can sell it for big ca$h. I would use IsaacKoi to represent you and arrange for an appropriate escrow process to unfold. That is unless you feel like you want to engage in some weird science all your own. And in that case I would open source it here on the forums and make way for some interesting people to set up tents in your yard & get ready for some experiments. I would also encourage you to get manxman to run the bar and all around crowd supplies, get pixelsmith to manage the music lineup. Get stonehart in to headline. For chefs I'm not sure who is out there but i would pitch in to support a hell's kitchen. I'm hoping an eclectic collection of frenemies join in that cause.

Depending on the size of the ship you caught, and what kind of arrangements you can make with neighbours, you should still be able to get in a decent sized stage and lab facilities in place. Do you have a greenhouse? Anyways, I'm suggesting you go with a full on UFO culture festival, host a Paracast conference while you're at it. You'll have no end of guest speakers and hilariously wicked roundtable sessions (I'm seeing Constance , Angel of Ioren , Gene Steinberg , Tyger and George Wingfield as the big draw) with Wade Ridsdaleand Han to act as moderators to maintain sanity and decorum. Should be good times, a kind of UFO Mecca at the Lemmer's place. Please post pictures & video for those who can't make it.

Burnt: You just won the forum. Best.Response.Ever

 

[Burnt State]

ROFL!!! I do live in a forest, could make it a UFO Renaissance type event!!! But seriously, what would you do if you found something jaw dropping? Would you care about it being kept legit first, would you just pass it over maybe, to someone with more knowledge? Would you give it to the government (lol)? I personally wouldn't have the money to do lab tests, hire professionals, etc. And I wouldn't believe that any type of media would care. I also wouldn't call any government agency. You know, damnit, I would call Chris, LOL. (And he'd probably tell me that there was no way in hell he wanted to be involved!)

Anything qualifying as real evidence would more than likely be too hot to handle for the average citizen. If you had a radiating object in your backyard would you even touch it, even if it was smaller than a breadbox? Look what happened to that dude in Falcon Lake - stay back from suddenly revealed UFO exhaust panels or glowing molten materials ejected from objects in the sky.

As I'm in Canada I would contact Chrs Rutkowski and let him take over, and in the US I would still contact the other Chris and get informed advice from my betters. Take lots and lots of pics and narrated video along the way. Don't touch stuff you think could harm your person.

And if you really do have enough room in the yard you should still consider hosting the UFO Renaissance event as its a good community building opportunity. People are often so much nicer in person than when warring with words. See above.

 

[George Wingfield]

Hi, Guys

Today is the very last day of the Merry Month of May and it’s time to call it a wrap. I’ve enjoyed every bit of it but it’s time y’all knew –at least the ones who weren’t in on it-- what’s been going on.

Didn’t you always have the feeling about this business that something wasn’t quite right?

Didn’t you think that certain players in the Roswell Slides drama --and here on The Paracast-- weren’t being entirely straight with you?

Didn’t you ever think that Adam Dew’s wonderful story of the finding of the slides and HILDA RAY’s supposed friendship with Mamie Eisenhower sounded just a bit too cockamamie to be true?

Did you really think that this hoax was merely a trick using a photo of a misidentified mummy and that it was aimed solely at Jaime Maussan?

Didn’t you think that the Cinco de Mayo extravaganza in Mexico City was all rather like some planned scene out of a crazy fantasy movie?

Didn’t most of you suspect that “Nab Lator’s” MUMMIFIED BODY…. message was rather like a magician pulling a rabbit out of a hat?

Didn’t you think it just too convenient to be true when we were all asked to declare whether we believed it was a genuine Roswell Alien or alternatively affirm that the dead “creature” was simply a mummy?

**********************

Some of you have suggested that the whole saga smacked of a ‘Reality TV’ show but few could have realized that they were unknowingly appearing on the equivalent of Candid Camera. Jaime Maussan wasn’t the only dupe in this production!

That was because our invisible director sitting in his invisible canvas chair said hardly a word. Meet Mirage Man John Lundberg (‘Ostension’) who has been producing a new reality documentary film about Roswellism and the UFO/Alien belief. I referred to him as the invisible “hoaxmaster” in previous postings but maybe that wasn’t quite the right word for it. Please now step forward Mr Ostension and take a bow!

Chris O’Brien sagely asked about me “I always wondered who he really worked for?” and I’m not going to answer that. Nevertheless, I am using my real name unlike “Anthony Bragalia” and “Nab Lator”. It’s now up to you to spot the others who were pivotal in this production. Certainly most declared “mummyists” like Philip Mantle (real name!) were fully aware of what’s been going on and several who participate in this forum were in the know too.

Jaime Maussan who has been the chief victim of this superhoax will naturally refuse to acknowledge this as the true solution and so will many of the others who were duped. I have no doubt that I will be pelted with rotten e-tomatoes and told in no uncertain terms that I’m a liar but that’s all part of the fun.

That’s my final word on the subject so let me bid you all goodbye for the time being.

George

 

[Constance]

Meet Mirage Man John Lundberg (‘Ostension’) who has been producing a new reality documentary film about Roswellism and the UFO/Alien belief.

Why didn't you divulge that piece of information to the forum earlier George? Are you in fact playing your own kind of game?

 

[Han]

Thank you for your participation George, I have really enjoyed discussing the slides with you. Until next time, Best wishes. Harry.

 

[Last Laugh]

Why didn't you divulge that piece of information to the forum earlier George? Are you in fact playing your own kind of game?

I think that's pretty obvious.

 

[Constance]

It does seem obvious. But what do you think was the point of his game?

 

[Burnt State]

Why didn't you divulge that piece of information to the forum earlier George? Are you in fact playing your own kind of game?

He's busy marketing the Kaufman film right now. I highly doubt there's any moves on his part to go to Roswell at this moment as a film opportunity. Playing with UFO mythology may be far from Lundberg's next move when Ostension is his goal. There are many other new sources to mine, though ufology is an attractive one as it is the dominant myth of our times. Still, it seems that it's George that's most concerned with inventing his own history and mythology around ufological touchstones.

 

[Constance]

My first impression was that he was a PR agent for Lundberg et al. Maybe that was an accurate intuition, or perhaps he's just been entertaining himself. Ah well, machts nichts.

 

[Constance]

He's busy marketing the Kaufman film right now.

You were referring to Lundberg, I gather. What's the Kaufman film about?

 

[Burnt State]

You were referring to Lundberg, I gather. What's the Kaufman film about?

I suspect the main thrust would be around the mythic belief that Andy's still alive.

I like the idea of George as John's PR guy (quite funny) as he's unwittingly fulfilling that role. As when you scour the net for Lundberg as the boogeyman you only run into Wingfield leveling that charge. I don't think George is fully getting what Lundberg's approach is which is never to undermine the myth so much as bring it to life and see what happens from there. George obviosly hates him for reasons unknown or there's other issues. Or maybe the whole thing really is like wrestling from the 80's - a series of contrivances. Lundberg sees Doty as someone who is weaponizing Perception Management. He's not trying to do that himself. Kaufman has been mythic for quite some time; like Elvis he can not die, and I think this film will explore the possibility of that myth being true.

KAUFMAN LIVES - THE LIFE, DEATH AND LEGEND OF ANDY KAUFMAN

Like with UFO's the placard Kaufman is pointing at reads, "Whatever is unknown is magnified." This whole Roswell thing - very magnified. That's why the story lives on.

 

[Constance]

Shows how little I know about popular culture. I never heard of Andy Kaufman. I will not be rushing to see this film.

Re Lundberg and his cohorts, Burnt, you're quite misled and not by George. You clearly haven't done enough research into the history of crop circles in southern England to realize what happened there. George was present for all of it as a researcher. Whatever claptrap you might have read about 'ostension' on the Circlemakers website, the goal of these guys was not to "bring myth alive" by hoaxing cc but to undermine the belief systems of innumerable people there (and streaming there from other countries every summer for years) who found aesthetic and symbolic meaning in the circles, especially centered in sacred geometry. Lundberg et al also drove the physical scientists out of the crop circle fields (many coming to study the circles from other countries for several years) by a process of ridicule and propaganda as well as filling half the grain fields with hoaxes. The subject became so impossible to study that scientists could no longer obtain institutional funding to investigate it.

You think Lundberg would never "weaponize perception management" as Doty did? You'd have to learn about the history of the Circlemakers' activities in England over two decades (inside and outside the crop fields) to see that the hoaxing, propaganda, ridicule, and character assassination employed by them were very destructive weapons indeed. They crushed an entire subject matter expressing spiritual significance and presenting evidence of biological and mineralogical anomalies which was not their property to destroy. I have nothing but contempt for them, as does anyone who has researched this subject far enough.

 

[Constance]

I've done some further research and no longer consider it possible that @George Wingfield works in any capacity with or on behalf of Lundberg et al.

 

[Last Laugh]

I recall reading a bit about Circlemakers years ago and I never got the feeling that they were malicious. I believe I remember them sometimes meditating before creating a circle and also reporting some paranormal events while in the fields at night. I almost got the sense that they were playing a role that they were driven to do and that the messages may have even come from a deeper place. I confess that it was years ago and I have no real information about them. The picture you paint is quite a bit different and does sound mal-intentioned after all.


Re: George... did he ever have anything other than suspicion that Lundberg was involved with the Roswell slides? With Santilli's film?

 

[Bob Watson]

Wanna take a ride? im done with the whole thing. .peace moving on to other things

 

[Constance]

I recall reading a bit about Circlemakers years ago and I never got the feeling that they were malicious. I believe I remember them sometimes meditating before creating a circle and also reporting some paranormal events while in the fields at night. I almost got the sense that they were playing a role that they were driven to do and that the messages may have even come from a deeper place.

You evidently read their representations of themselves (I read those too). Then I interacted with them for two or three years, on and off, in the Crop Circle Connector forum and encountered a different reality expressed in their contemptuous verbal behavior toward others in the scene in Wiltshire who objected to their hoaxing, their mind games, their character assassinations of crop circle researchers including W.C. Levengood, and much more.

I confess that it was years ago and I have no real information about them. The picture you paint is quite a bit different and does sound mal-intentioned after all.

Their intent was destructive, and they succeeded in doing what I believe they were paid to do..

Re: George... did he ever have anything other than suspicion that Lundberg was involved with the Roswell slides? With Santilli's film?

See his article on what he learned about the Santilli film. I've grown increasingly persuaded that Lundberg et al could indeed have played a role in setting up the slides investigation to fail. See the Paracast newsletter thread Gene started yesterday for a few possibilities as to how they might have done it. It's important to realize that @George Wingfield knew these people personally for many years and observed what they were doing up close. He seems to like Lundberg personally, however, and his posts to Lundberg here indicate that they maintain a friendly relationship.

Crop circle country in southern England was for a long time a very beautiful world, centered for several decades on very simple formations recognized by Gerald Hawkins as bearing mathematically significant diatonic ratios indicating intelligent intention. A number of people saw these circles appear almost instantaneously in empty fields.* In the era of organized cc hoaxing it became a very conflicted and even tortured environment, and today there's almost nothing left of what was

*Btw, a similar witnessed event took place about seven years ago in Dodge County, Wisconsin, not far from where I grew up. There have also been many crop circles discovered in other parts of the world, as you probably know.

 

[Sentry]

As for "Nab Lator" he is almost certainly one of the villains from the Adam Dew cam(p).

I met Nab Lator (and Gilles Fernandez) in the French UFO forum UFO Scepticisme in 2012 while discussing the Cash-Landrum case. I became friends with the both of them, and they were already part of our discussion group that evolved into the RSRG.

The scenario of Nab being a plant or producing a hoaxed placard could only come from someone that either doesn't know the facts, or chooses to ignore them.

Nab has a blog and has written a few articles on the Slides and related issues.
Good reading, and based on research and facts. Nabbed!

 

[SRL+]

The scenario of Nab being a plant or producing a hoaxed placard could only come from someone that either doesn't know the facts, or chooses to ignore them.

Or, chooses to pervert the facts.

 

[Constance]

Interesting information and speculation in these recent comments at Kevin Randle's site:

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