The Roswell Slides Have Been Leaked Online

[Han]

When I think about it 10k is not much of a Reward to locate the body is it? I mean if it is a genuine Extraterrestrial surely it would be worth a lot more than that? Where is the pressure from the worldwide scientific community? If what the "experts" that have looked at the slides show say is accurate? (I bet someone like Bigelow would pay a substantial amount more for example ((but not for two slides........)))

My feeling is this is a new kind of reality television, a sort of hybrid of baggage battles and ghost hunters.
I don't think dew is as amateur as he is being portrayed, I think he is probably basing his documentary on the reaction to the slides which is still embarrassingly strong.

A bit like big brother, the more sparse the house and provisions the greater the conflict between the housemates: as in two slides is not much to base an argument on.

I am a sceptic get me out of here!

It also reminds me of the old ink spot test, it says a lot about where you are if you are convinced of anything based on two slides.

George can't prove its a dummy using the slides, Maussan's "experts" can't prove its an extraterrestrial using the slides, and legitimate inquiries are met with red tape from the Park service because they are based on two suspect slides......

The placard is a side issue, so is the location of the Mummy, what is important here is do you trust common sense, or do you go the other way and believe that Maussan and LMH have the "holy grail of Ufology" (well a blurry slide of it), do you believe that "DR" Jonathan Reed, the Metapec creature should be forgotten (especially when the latter was initially reported as having "extraterrestrial DNA"! by an "expert" commissioned by Mr Maussan.....

Is it coincidence that no one outside Ufology is that bothered about the slides, or is it a grand conspiracy?

I don't know how long it is going to take to get the information regarding the mummy, from the museum, but it has been ages already.
Again common sense would tell you that if it was a Roswell ET in the slide it would have been displayed very, very differently, oh and taping the only 2 slides of an extraterrestrial, in an envelope under the lid of a box of other slides is not the best way of "hiding" the evidence.

There are two major mysteries: why did so many people entrust Mr maussan with their money? and why was the "experts" initial focus on the slides rather than the body? I mean why was there a lack of enthusiasm to locate the actual body? although I did not witness Bewitness I have heard no mention of any serious attempt to track down the body before the "deblurring"? which lead to the Mesa Verde Mummies.

 

[DaveM]

When I think about it 10k is not much of a Reward to locate the body is it? I mean if it is a genuine Extraterrestrial surely it would be worth a lot more than that? Where is the pressure from the worldwide scientific community? If what the "experts" that have looked at the slides show say is accurate? (I bet someone like Bigelow would pay a substantial amount more for example ((but not for two slides........)))

My feeling is this is a new kind of reality television, a sort of hybrid of baggage battles and ghost hunters.
I don't think dew is as amateur as he is being portrayed, I think he is probably basing his documentary on the reaction to the slides which is still embarrassingly strong.

A bit like big brother, the more sparse the house and provisions the greater the conflict between the housemates: as in two slides is not much to base an argument on.

I am a sceptic get me out of here!

It also reminds me of the old ink spot test, it says a lot about where you are if you are convinced of anything based on two slides.

George can't prove its a dummy using the slides, Maussan's "experts" can't prove its an extraterrestrial using the slides, and legitimate inquiries are met with red tape from the Park service because they are based on two suspect slides......

The placard is a side issue, so is the location of the Mummy, what is important here is do you trust common sense, or do you go the other way and believe that Maussan and LMH have the "holy grail of Ufology" (well a blurry slide of it), do you believe that "DR" Jonathan Reed, the Metapec creature should be forgotten (especially when the latter was initially reported as having "extraterrestrial DNA"! by an "expert" commissioned by Mr Maussan.....

Is it coincidence that no one outside Ufology is that bothered about the slides, or is it a grand conspiracy?

I don't know how long it is going to take to get the information regarding the mummy, from the museum, but it has been ages already.
Again common sense would tell you that if it was a Roswell ET in the slide it would have been displayed very, very differently, oh and taping the only 2 slides of an extraterrestrial, in an envelope under the lid of a box of other slides is not the best way of "hiding" the evidence.

There are two major mysteries: why did so many people entrust Mr maussan with their money? and why was the "experts" initial focus on the slides rather than the body? I mean why was there a lack of enthusiasm to locate the actual body? although I did not witness Bewitness I have heard no mention of any serious attempt to track down the body before the "deblurring"? which lead to the Mesa Verde Mummies.

You have lots of pertinent questions. Why look for a body when you can concoct a story with a president's involvement which supposedly leads us to Roswell. It has to be Roswell, doesn't it? More profitability.

After the story falls apart you then offer $10k for a body. That is chump change for someone like Bigelow. If you were to produce a body, who would you offer it to, someone offering a little money or someone with deep pockets? Don't hold your breath for either scenario.

 

[Gene Steinberg]

And remember that Eisenhower wasn't elected president until more than five years after the Roswell event occurred. Why not Truman? Oh well.

 

[Constance]

Eisenhower was still the head of the armed forces of the country in the last years of 1947. Would he not have received notice of the event at Roswell, and would he not want to find out more about it? No doubt Truman was also informed about Roswell and no doubt asked for and received more information about it.

 

[Gene Steinberg]

But the buck stopped with Truman.

 

[George Wingfield]

And remember that Eisenhower wasn't elected president until more than five years after the Roswell event occurred. Why not Truman? Oh well.

Eisenhower became President on January 20, 1953 which is 5½ years after the Roswell event. I guess they didn't use Truman in the background story as Ray Santilli had already made several false claims (to me) about him being at Roswell and there being photos of him beside the crashed flying saucer when this pantomime was last played out in 1995. The new story about Hilda Ray's alleged friendship with Mamie Eisenhower leading to her and her husband getting a private view of this Roswell Alien corpse at White Sands is equally cockamamie bullshit (and that's probably why first lady Mamie got dragged into it!).

 

[Burnt State]

The one thing you could do, Burnt, that would improve your contributions here would be to limit your extensive use of connotative language and other rhetorical devices that attempt to strong-arm others into adopting your viewpoint. In other words, more plain speaking. If your ideas and perspectives are strong enough, they will be persuasive even without coercive rhetoric.

My turn of speech is what it is. I have to laugh at the idea of it being perceived as an attempt to strong arm anyone. I ask and force no one to do nothing in terms of my viewpoint. I'm sure there are very few impressionabe children here on the forum that need protection from my verbosity. And if language had no color to it where would poetry be, and where would humor lie? "Just the facts, ma'am," is hardly my style. Viewpoints are choices, plain and simple.

No, you don't seem to understand the facts in debate -- the ones we lack any information about -- which go to the entire issue of whether the Roswell slides were a hoax from the beginning and who it was that was being hoaxed, misled, set up for a fall (along with the entire Roswell subject). Those issues concern all of us, or at least those of us whose minds are not closed to the questions still open concerning Roswell itself and who [edited] do not want to see further investigation of Roswell made irrelevant, unsustainable. You're clearly an individual who fits into [edited] stands outside the latter category, thus I think you simply don't want to see these further questions about the Roswell slides affair pursued.

Original ownership of the slides was also covered in the Radio Misterioso episode in terms of who has ownership over SlideBoxMedia as noted by Sentry above. How they got it is a story you can believe or not believe. Now while I shake my head in confusion (mind you this is not an aggressive shake, just a sad connotative one), as there are some simple facts about the rise and fall of the slides over the last two years, and then there is the incredible elaborate recent spin and confabulation, that instead of seeking the straight line between two points, wants to look for loopholes and evil elves who are attempting to damn Roswell.

The clear people responsible for damning Roswell and making ufology look bad are all those who promoted the "Roswell Slides" story and upheld silly and speculative ideas that the slides do not depict a human child but a salamander like creature that evolved on anther planet. They collectively promoted misinformation quite eagerly and willingly. No one set them up except themselves. They made their own choices.

As for the RSRG, they appeared to uphold concepts of accuracy & strong investigation. Despite the fact that they come from all across the spectrum of ufological belief, they provided some minor redemption by proving that ufology can be policed from within. Congrats all around. No extra suspicion needed.

More bizarre and inexplicable are the varying cases being made in attemt to exonerate the "Roswell Slides" promoters and attempts to prove that they could not possibly be that stupid, that egotistical, that greedy (please forgive all my rhetoric) and that there must be an evil force working in the shadows. The slides are obviously not of modern manufacture. So just what strange "fact" are you attempting to construct that makes any possible sense at all?

Neither Roswell, nor ufology as a whole, needs anyone to help shoot itself in the foot. It does that sort of thing quite naturally. (Again, apologies for any cliches or metaphors that were harmed in the making of this post.)

 

[Constance]

But the buck stopped with Truman.

Maybe he sent Eisenhower to find out what was going on out in the New Mexico desert..

 

[Constance]

Eisenhower became President on January 20, 1953 which is 5½ years after the Roswell event. I guess they didn't use Truman in the background story as Ray Santilli had already made several false claims (to me) about him being at Roswell and there being photos of him beside the crashed flying saucer when this pantomime was last played out in 1995. The new story about Hilda Ray's alleged friendship with Mamie Eisenhower leading to her and her husband getting a private view of this Roswell Alien corpse at White Sands is equally cockamamie bullshit (and that's probably why first lady Mamie got dragged into it!).

Why would the genteel elderly ladies interviewed for the Roswell slides presentation lie about Hilda's friendship with Mamie?

 

[Constance]

just what strange "fact" are you attempting to construct that makes any possible sense at all?

I'm not "attempting to construct" a fact. I'm merely pointing to the obvious fact that most of what we know so far about the Roswell slides affair and its claimed resolution is the considerable extent of that which we do not know.

 

[Constance]

Neither Roswell, nor ufology as a whole, needs anyone to help shoot itself in the foot. It does that sort of thing quite naturally. (Again, apologies for any cliches or metaphors that were harmed in the making of this post.)

Not to worry about doing harm to language, cliches, or metaphors, Burnt, only to minds affected by their influence, for better or for worse..

 

[Constance]

if language had no color to it where would poetry be, and where would humor lie?

Poetry has its place, and as WS wrote "The plum survives its poems."


from "The Comedian as the Letter C"
Wallace Stevens

"The words of things entangle and confuse.
The plum survives its poems. It may hang
In the sunshine placidly, colored by ground
Obliquities of those who pass beneath,
Harlequined and mazily dewed and mauved
In bloom. Yet it survives in its own form,
Beyond these changes, good, fat, guzzly fruit.
So Crispin hasped on the surviving form,
For him, of shall or ought to be in is."

 

[Burnt State]

Poetry has its place, and as WS said "The plum survives its poems."

Well then we should not let go of the simple pit at the core of this purple flesh: the slide shows an identifiable two year old mummy that a group of people promoted as an alien body that crashed at Roswell. The group that did this wrote as much purple prose as possible to sell this false claim to make as much money as possible. It may be true that these two slides were all part of a larger slide collection belonging originally to the Rays, or they may not. Either way they are slides from an earlier era that show a known mummy and even the majority of the promoters agree on this point. So what does this tell us about the integrity and goals of these promoters - that they are selfish, stupid, vain, or conspiratorial? These are all familiar motivations and faults. Is there anything else to be squeezed from this?

Who all comprises the slide ownership? How much money was made and who made it? How much ignorance vs. malice can be portioned out to the varying promoters? Should there be punishments meted out accordingly?

These are the remaining questions as I see them.

I'm not seeing what's left to deny really. Of ourselves people are free to believe that somehow, the same slides we have all seen and saw deblurred by many, shows a known 2 year old child mummy, or is a salamander, or was made by Lundberg. Those are choices too.

Those who knew about the slides at the start could have at any point in time excused themselves from the financial event, but they chose not to and jumped off the sinking ship at various points only after the gate receipts were collected. Is there any more?

 

[DaveM]

Maybe he sent Eisenhower to find out what was going on out in the New Mexico desert..

Eisenhower was Chief of Staff of the Armed Forces in 1947. I seriously doubt that Truman would send his top military officer to scour the desert in search of aliens.

 

[George Wingfield]

I confess, my real name, given to me at birth, was K. Keegan Barnes. My current name was chosen by me and agreed upon after I was adopted. FWIW: my avatar picture is really me dressed up in trickster garb stolen from the Middle Ages. I can say w/ some confidence that George is George, although I've always wondered who he really works for, I first met him at the Eureka Springs conference 20 years, one month and 20 some odd days ago back in 1995...

Well, Chris, I had no idea that you were really the “K. Keegan Barnes”! This whole thing is getting to be a bit like Ripley’s Believe It or Not! That Eureka Springs UFO Conference in April 1995 was just a month before Ray Santilli launched his Alien Autopsy scam and I didn’t see that one coming.

For several years I tended to believe almost everything I heard at the annual Eureka Springs UFO Conference –even the Billy Meier BS. However, from 1995 on I became increasingly skeptical, especially of what Linda Howe was telling us and the unbelievable stories of alien contact from a motley crew of abductees and contactees who were called upon to present there each year. About that time I arranged a private “UFO Hall of Fame/ UFO Hall of Shame” event at the conference. Invited attendees were asked to vote on the presenters and other famous UFO celebrities of the moment and say whether they should be put into either the UFO Hall of Fame or UFO Hall of Shame. Unfortunately there were very few indeed that I considered worthy of the UFO Hall of Fame and this jaundiced view did not endear me to many of my fellow attendees or the conference organizers. If one is invited to be a speaker at such events there is an unwritten rule that one is not meant to diss one’s fellow speakers and that meant I was never asked to speak at such conferences again.

However this did lead to the invention of a wonderful virtual instrument which I call my BullshitOmeter ® . This invaluable device is particularly useful at UFO conferences and for some presenters --like Jaime Maussan and J J Hurtak, for example-- the bells start ringing, the lights start flashing and the needle sometimes goes right off the scale.

George

 

[Heidi Lemmer]

Well then we should not let go of the simple pit at the core of this purple flesh: the slide shows an identifiable two year old mummy that a group of people promoted as an alien body that crashed at Roswell. The group that did this wrote as much purple prose as possible to sell this false claim to make as much money as possible. It may be true that these two slides were all part of a larger slide collection belonging originally to the Rays, or they may not. Either way they are slides from an earlier era that show a known mummy and even the majority of the promoters agree on this point. So what does this tell us about the integrity and goals of these promoters - that they are selfish, stupid, vain, or conspiratorial? These are all familiar motivations and faults. Is there anything else to be squeezed from this?

Who all comprises the slide ownership? How much money was made and who made it? How much ignorance vs. malice can be portioned out to the varying promoters? Should there be punishments meted out accordingly?

These are the remaining questions as I see them.

I'm not seeing what's left to deny really. Of ourselves people are free to believe that somehow, the same slides we have all seen and saw deblurred by many, shows a known 2 year old child mummy, or is a salamander, or was made by Lundberg. Those are choices too.

Those who knew about the slides at the start could have at any point in time excused themselves from the financial event, but they chose not to and jumped off the sinking ship at various points only after the gate receipts were collected. Is there any more?

All good points Burnt. For me, the questions still remaining seem less about what's on the slides and more about the people. But I won't get those answers. So this will always remain shrouded in the very mystery we all get tired of. And for this, it didn't happen fifty years ago, it happened while I was watching. I've vocalized my earlier questions but I also would add, who hoaxed this puppy, Adam Dew and his partner or the whole group. It seems less likely that the whole group did. What I think more likely for them is either they were duped from a faulty low res slide or they were so gun ho for a smoking gun that they completely failed as researchers. That part will likely never get answered. And could we even trust whatever answer comes up.
What we could do however is discuss what makes good research and what/why we expect certain protocol from the researchers. We could turn this on it's head and learn something. It might seem obvious to each of us but it's not. If I found a spaceship in my backyard, what should I do? Who would I call? Who could I trust? How would this community receive that news/findings? The likelihood of finding a smoking gun is like winning the Lotto. But it's entirely possible. That is why grown men and women spend entire lifetimes searching. I'd submit that our community within Ufology is unprepared to deal with the proper way to research anything found. And I might add, there's a very real possibility that scientist would be unwilling to analyze anything found simply to not have a career bump downward. Anyways, interesting all around.

 

[Burnt State]

For me, the questions still remaining seem less about what's on the slides and more about the people. But I won't get those answers. So this will always remain shrouded in the very mystery we all get tired of. And for this, it didn't happen fifty years ago, it happened while I was watching. I've vocalized my earlier questions but I also would add, who hoaxed this puppy, Adam Dew and his partner or the whole group. It seems less likely that the whole group did. What I think more likely for them is either they were duped from a faulty low res slide or they were so gun ho for a smoking gun that they completely failed as researchers. That part will likely never get answered. And could we even trust whatever answer comes up.

I agree with all of what you say and see a sliding scale of guilt and culpability. Sentry points out there is a mystery regarding why it was not deblurred earlier by the owners of the slides and certainly the issue of seeing a low res copy could be to blame but who builds a research case on anything without seeing the primary evidence first? So all that blah blah blah about Kodak experts, and Dew claiming he thought he did due diligence is all very suspect at best.

What we could do however is discuss what makes good research and what/why we expect certain protocol from the researchers. We could turn this on it's head and learn something. It might seem obvious to each of us but it's not. If I found a spaceship in my backyard, what should I do? Who would I call? Who could I trust? How would this community receive that news/findings? The likelihood of finding a smoking gun is like winning the Lotto. But it's entirely possible. That is why grown men and women spend entire lifetimes searching. I'd submit that our community within Ufology is unprepared to deal with the proper way to research anything found. And I might add, there's a very real possibility that scientist would be unwilling to analyze anything found simply to not have a career bump downward. Anyways, interesting all around.

There are different levels of response to a UFO event which are on a sliding scale from armchair speculator all the way to paid government scientist. The response will be the best it can be given the levels of access to information, and evidnce processing abilities available to the body doing the processing. The right tools for the right job was what RSRG did - so the capacity is there for some tasks.

Heidi, if you find a UFO in your backyard, hide it from your neighbours, contact Christopher O'Brien O'Brien who will put you in touch with Bigelow so you can sell it for big ca$h. I would use IsaacKoi to represent you and arrange for an appropriate escrow process to unfold. That is unless you feel like you want to engage in some weird science all your own. And in that case I would open source it here on the forums and make way for some interesting people to set up tents in your yard & get ready for some experiments. I would also encourage you to get manxman to run the bar and all around crowd supplies, get pixelsmith to manage the music lineup. Get stonehart in to headline. For chefs I'm not sure who is out there but i would pitch in to support a hell's kitchen. I'm hoping an eclectic collection of frenemies join in that cause.

Depending on the size of the ship you caught, and what kind of arrangements you can make with neighbours, you should still be able to get in a decent sized stage and lab facilities in place. Do you have a greenhouse? Anyways, I'm suggesting you go with a full on UFO culture festival, host a Paracast conference while you're at it. You'll have no end of guest speakers and hilariously wicked roundtable sessions (I'm seeing Constance , Angel of Ioren , Gene Steinberg , Tyger and George Wingfield as the big draw) with Wade Ridsdaleand Han to act as moderators to maintain sanity and decorum. Should be good times, a kind of UFO Mecca at the Lemmer's place. Please post pictures & video for those who can't make it.

 

[Burnt State]

Poetry has its place, and as WS wrote "The plum survives its poems."


from "The Comedian as the Letter C"
Wallace Stevens

"The words of things entangle and confuse.
The plum survives its poems. It may hang
In the sunshine placidly, colored by ground
Obliquities of those who pass beneath,
Harlequined and mazily dewed and mauved
In bloom. Yet it survives in its own form,
Beyond these changes, good, fat, guzzly fruit.
So Crispin hasped on the surviving form,
For him, of shall or ought to be in is."

Like Crispin and you there is a search for a dialogue with something unclear that motivates me. There are many different ways of looking at a blackbird, and despite specific differences I still think the net of effect of any discourse with tension is more discovery. I admire and respect your commitment to the field. But I see it this way, pardon me as I steal from Stevens totally,

Ubiquitous concussion, slap and sigh
Polyphony beyond his baton's thrust.

(The UFO) ...shines like bronze,
that reflects neither my face nor any inner part,
of my being, shine like fire, that mirrors nothing.

The imagination, here, could not evade
In poems of plums, that strict austerity
Of one vast, subjugating, final tone.

 

[Last Laugh]

I ask all the mummyists like Sentry (that's OK Curt --I know who you are and I don't believe that you are part of this grand deception!) to take a further close look at the small dead creature shown on the Roswell Slides. Its head is grotesquely larger than its thorax. It's about 47 inches long and it has several non-human features (not easily seen on lower resolution images} that completely exclude the possibility that it was ever a human child or even any kind of mammal. This "creature" may appear mummified but it was never a mummified human child.

I have taken a further close look and I take exception to the suggestion that this is not a human. While a few experts have said that it is not human, the opinion has not been duplicated, and other experts have disagreed. It is my belief that Doble and others are the exceptions and the the majority of experts would agree that this is a human.
1. It is not 47 inches long - that is based on a very poor estimate by Dr. O'Connor. The same Dr. O'Connor who stated that humans have 6 pairs of ribs - can you trust a supposed doctor that would fail basic anatomy? Doble says that the brackets on the shelf cannot be an inch apart. He gives no reason why not, and I disagree. They are very likely an inch apart, making the mummy around 34-36 inches.

2. Both Doble and O'Connor say that the mummy has no clavicles. The clavicle area is covered with a blanket. How can you trust what these guys say when they miss such a basic thing? That's like putting a bag over my head and then saying that I am a headless alien. Seriously - look at the images.

3. Doble says it cannot be a mammal because he can't see nipples. I can supply other images of mummies that have no apparent nipples.

4. The number of ribs is in no way determinable by the images. It could easily have the 7 that is normal for human.

5. And more. We need more, actual mummy experts to weigh in. As a reminder, several have already said it's a mummy.

Burnt,

I don't know if you read what Michael Mu had to say on Blue Blurry Lines two weeks ago. He downloaded Smartblur and tried it but "without the Crackfile from Nab Lator". He shows his three results and says that he got nothing at all. He continues that "Paul Kimball, Nab Lator and all the others who want us to believe that they debunked the Roswell Slides are Liars! End of the discussion!"

Well of course it didn't work since he wasn't using the "Crackfile" supplied by the mysterious Nab Lator and he was using an image of the "creature" that he had downloaded at an earlier date that didn't have this blurred message.. The image used by the RSRG people, we are told, was one recently supplied by Adam Dew or downloaded from his website and it is clear that that version will now always show the MUMMIFIED BODY .... message which I believe is totally false.

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I don't know Michael, but the file by Nab Lator in question is not a "Crackfile". It's a blur model, which is a small simple pixel map.

This is the actual file, it's just some black and white pixels that show the path for the deblurring.

Nab Lator clearly has some expertise with Smart Deblur, because as you point out, the automatic deblur function will not work with these images. However, to call it a "Crackfile" is implying that it is somehow altering the photo. It is only pulling out data that is present in the image. It is a totally transparent process. And it has been done with original images supplied by Dew.

This particular blur model will only work with the image that it was created for, so for a larger, high resolution image, a new blur model would be necessary. I'm sure Nab Lator and anyone else with expertise with this software could create a blur model for a different version.

The fact that an average person simply running the auto-deblur feature doesn't replicate the placard means nothing except that it takes a bit of expertise to use this software at a higher level.

 

[Heidi Lemmer]

I agree with all of what you say and see a sliding scale of guilt and culpability. Sentry points out there is a mystery regarding why it was not deblurred earlier by the owners of the slides and certainly the issue of seeing a low res copy could be to blame but who builds a research case on anything without seeing the primary evidence first? So all that blah blah blah about Kodak experts, and Dew claiming he thought he did due diligence is all very suspect at best.

There are different levels of response to a UFO event which are on a sliding scale from armchair speculator all the way to paid government scientist. The response will be the best it can be given the levels of access to information, and evidnce processing abilities available to the body doing the processing. The right tools for the right job was what RSRG did - so the capacity is there for some tasks.

Heidi, if you find a UFO in your backyard, hide it from your neighbours, contact @Christopher O'Brien O'Brien who will put you in touch with Bigelow so you can sell it for big ca$h. I would use @IsaacKoi to represent you and arrange for an appropriate escrow process to unfold. That is unless you feel like you want to engage in some weird science all your own. And in that case I would open source it here on the forums and make way for some interesting people to set up tents in your yard & get ready for some experiments. I would also encourage you to get @manxman to run the bar and all around crowd supplies, get @pixelsmith to manage the music lineup. Get @stonehart in to headline. For chefs I'm not sure who is out there but i would pitch in to support a hell's kitchen. I'm hoping an eclectic collection of frenemies join in that cause.

Depending on the size of the ship you caught, and what kind of arrangements you can make with neighbours, you should still be able to get in a decent sized stage and lab facilities in place. Do you have a greenhouse? Anyways, I'm suggesting you go with a full on UFO culture festival, host a Paracast conference while you're at it. You'll have no end of guest speakers and hilariously wicked roundtable sessions (I'm seeing @Constance , @Angel of Ioren , @Gene Steinberg , @Tyger and @George Wingfield as the big draw) with @Wade Ridsdale and @Han to act as moderators to maintain sanity and decorum. Should be good times, a kind of UFO Mecca at the Lemmer's place. Please post pictures & video for those who can't make it.

ROFL!!! I do live in a forest, could make it a UFO Renaissance type event!!! But seriously, what would you do if you found something jaw dropping? Would you care about it being kept legit first, would you just pass it over maybe, to someone with more knowledge? Would you give it to the government (lol)? I personally wouldn't have the money to do lab tests, hire professionals, etc. And I wouldn't believe that any type of media would care. I also wouldn't call any government agency. You know, damnit, I would call Chris, LOL. (And he'd probably tell me that there was no way in hell he wanted to be involved!)