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The Roswell Slides Have Been Leaked Online

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Burnt State said:
@George Wingfield you are aware that other people from that team and other people in general achieved the same results independent from Nab and that all but Jaime from the original pro slide camp accept these findings? Why do you keep beating this dead horse? And will you beat on Isaac Koi as well. Are all pseudonyms to be discounted?
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Burnt,

I don't know if you read what Michael Mu had to say on Blue Blurry Lines two weeks ago. He downloaded Smartblur and tried it but "without the Crackfile from Nab Lator". He shows his three results and says that he got nothing at all. He continues that "Paul Kimball, Nab Lator and all the others who want us to believe that they debunked the Roswell Slides are Liars! End of the discussion!"

Well of course it didn't work since he wasn't using the "Crackfile" supplied by the mysterious Nab Lator and he was using an image of the "creature" that he had downloaded at an earlier date that didn't have this blurred message.. The image used by the RSRG people, we are told, was one recently supplied by Adam Dew or downloaded from his website and it is clear that that version will now always show the MUMMIFIED BODY .... message which I believe is totally false.

It seems that Adam Dew is now a party to promoting this false message and he is likely to be the one who told Jaime Maussan that Smart Deblur does indeed show the MUMMIFIED BODY message (can't quite imagine Maussan trying to deblur the placard message himself using a version of the image supplied to him at a much earlier date!) As we know Jaime Maussan has trusted Adam Dew all along and that has been his big mistake. I think everyone is agreed that this whole thing was a carefully prepared hoax but there are a lot of people who have failed to see who was behind it. There were --and still are-- the villains and the dupes and I think you will find that Jaime Maussan, Tom Carey, and Don Schmitt were all dupes. As for "Nab Lator" he is almost certainly one of the villains from the Adam Dew camp.

As for using pseudonyms, I've no real objection to familiar forum posters like yourself but you can be sure that the actual hoaxers here will seldom be the ones with real names. I've no reason to think that Isaac Koi has anything to do with this hoax despite the fact that he is from England like Lundberg and Irving. Do you know who "Nab Lator" is?

George
 
Constance said:
These are also facts that matter, Burnt. Surprised you can't see this. Not to see this seems inconsistent with your general requirements for a respectable ufology.
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I'm not sure I understand which facts are in debate or still need to be ascertained. The original slide deblur source is entirely irrelevant so who cares if an insider leaked it. That's between other people. Slidebox media released an original scan and the same facts bore out. Does Nab Lator need a real name? Were not his/her findings also replicated by others. Processes are changing. Those are better facts.
 
Burnt State said:
What matters is how consistent the voice is and are the ideas vital.
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Hmm, seems to me that far more important than the 'vitality' of ideas {not sure what you mean by 'vitality'} is whether or not they are sound ideas. Individuals prefer some ideas because they confirm what one already thinks or wants to think about the nature of 'reality'. The issue is whether there is both reasonable evidence and sufficient understanding of critical, though partial, insights into the nature and structure of the physical world {all we have at the moment} to support the ideas we prefer. @Eric Wargo seems to be a major contributor to the effort to research and think through what we can learn from both physical science and our experiences in a world we only partially comprehend scientifically.
 
vi·tal
ˈvīdl/
adjective
1.
absolutely necessary or important; essential.
"secrecy is of vital importance"
synonyms: essential, of the essence, critical, crucial, key, indispensable, integral, all-important, imperative, mandatory, requisite, urgent, pressing, burning, compelling, high-priority, life-and-death, of the utmost importance, utmost
"it is vital that action be taken soon"
antonyms: unimportant, peripheral
indispensable to the continuance of life.
"the vital organs"
synonyms: major, main, chief;

Any of the above work for my descriptive intentions of important facts and ideas.
 
Constance said:
I agree. Adam Dew is an entirely unknown quantity. I wonder why no researchers have made an effort to learn more about him and the company he keeps.
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He's a low level documentary filmmaker with limited credits to his name and appears that he was hoping his slide film would make his name. He was no a friend of the Eisenhower's to the best of my knowledge.
 
Burnt State said:
I'm not sure I understand which facts are in debate or still need to be ascertained. The original slide deblur source is entirely irrelevant so who cares if an insider leaked it. That's between other people.
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No, you don't seem to understand the facts in debate -- the ones we lack any information about -- which go to the entire issue of whether the Roswell slides were a hoax from the beginning and who it was that was being hoaxed, misled, set up for a fall (along with the entire Roswell subject). Those issues concern all of us, or at least those of us whose minds are not closed to the questions still open concerning Roswell itself and who [edited] do not want to see further investigation of Roswell made irrelevant, unsustainable. You're clearly an individual who fits into [edited] stands outside the latter category, thus I think you simply don't want to see these further questions about the Roswell slides affair pursued.
 
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mac said:
How do we know that this is Geo. Wingfield? It could be an alien who hacked your computer.
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Mac, I'll gladly prove that I am if you've got Skype --or else you can get my phone number from Gene. I see that you admit to living on Planet Earth but you don't say which country you are in. Even if you really are somewhere on this planet it's still possible that you too could be an alien!

George
 
Burnt State said:
He's a low level documentary filmmaker with limited credits to his name and appears that he was hoping his slide film would make his name. He was no a friend of the Eisenhower's to the best of my knowledge.
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The one thing you could do, Burnt, that would improve your contributions here would be to limit your extensive use of connotative language and other rhetorical devices that attempt to strong-arm others into adopting your viewpoint. In other words, more plain speaking. If your ideas and perspectives are strong enough, they will be persuasive even without coercive rhetoric.
 
Reposting this post with necessary corrections in blue. {always a mistake not to re-read one's posts before posting them}

Constance said:
No, you don't seem to understand the facts in debate -- the ones we lack any information about -- which go to the entire issue of whether the Roswell slides were a hoax from the beginning and who it was that was being hoaxed, misled, set up for a fall (along with the entire Roswell subject). Those issues concern all of us, or at least those of us whose minds are not closed to the questions still open concerning Roswell itself and who [edited] do not want to see further investigation of Roswell made irrelevant, unsustainable. You're clearly an individual who fits into [edited] stands outside the latter category, thus I think you simply don't want to see these further questions about the Roswell slides affair pursued.
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The interesting thing is how the title of this thread continues to be adaptable to current discussion of the Roswell slides affair. When the thread started the discussion concerned leaks of a different kind in the months leading up to May 5. Perhaps this is an instance of 'synchronicity' as Pauli and Jung explored it..
 
Constance said:
The interesting thing is how the title of this thread continues to be adaptable to current discussion of the Roswell slides affair. When the thread started the discussion concerned leaks of a different kind in the months leading up to May 5. Perhaps this is an instance of 'synchronicity' as Pauli and Jung explored it..
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Unfortunately, Pauli & Jung are unable to assist you at this juncture. Especially Jung in suggesting the flying saucer is “a modern myth of things seen in the skies”. Ironic, isn’t it?
 
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S.R.L. said:
Unfortunately, Pauli & Jung are unable to assist you at this juncture. Especially Jung in suggesting the flying saucer is “a modern myth of things seen in the skies”. Ironic, isn’t it?
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I was half joking about the possibility of synchronicity being involved in the continuing relevance of the thread's title in light of changing circumstances in what is the continuing Roswell slides affair. But re what Pauli and Jung in their extended correspondence and interactions came to believe about 'synchronicity' is a subject you might, or might not, have an interest in pursuing. You'll find papers about the Pauli-Jung hypothesis by Harold Atmanspacher and others and also this book on the subject:

 
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