The Roswell Slides Steal the Show!

[SRL+]

Word on the street has it that Dew auctioned the slides off with Maussan being the highest bidder. If this in fact is the case Maussan may basically own the event.

 

[Stagger Lee]

Where ?.

If there is anything to the multi dimension theory, who can say?

 

[Constance]

"...something very unusual almost undoubtedly did occur in Roswell in 1947."
There had been many flying discs recovered by civilians. Many were hoaxes, but there were also several instances of genuine objects being found.
Fallen rawin targets were being mistakenly identified as flying saucers or discs.

What is very unusual about the Roswell rawin recovery is why the military issued a press statement on it.
Many years later, Stanton Friedman and Bill Moore used those old newspaper headlines out of context, and a legend was born.

For more examples of what was recovered and being called a disc or saucer in 1947, see:
UFOs: A History, Volume 1: 1947 By Loren E. Gross (PDF)

Ted Bloecher's descriptive catalogue of 850 ufo sightings during the June-July 1947 UFO Wave across the US provides a necessary corrective to the impression left by your post, Sentry. It's preceded by an introduction by James McDonald and another introduction by Bloecher. It takes time to read the whole work but it is worth it because it is essential information.

Abstract:

The Report on the UFO Wave of 1947 discusses the first contemporary wave of UFO sightings in this country, which reached its peak on July 6 - 7, 1947. It includes a detailed chronology of more than 850 UFO cases for June and July with complete references, primarily from 140 newspapers in 90 cities in the United States and Canada, but also from the files of NICAP and Project Blue Book, as well as references from a number of publications on UFOs.

About 250 of these reports are discussed in detail, with reference to patterns of appearance and behavior of the objects reported, to special types of witnesses, and to other special features. A summary of the period, the pattern of press coverage, and its effects on the subject, are discussed. Maps are provided to illustrate the daily distribution of sightings for the period.

http://nicap.org/waves/Wave47Rpt/ReportOnWaveOf1947.pdf

 

[ALPHA ROMEO UNIFORM]

From what I've seen in the documentary trailer, the box of slides held over 400 vintage photographs which, to me, are interesting in and of themselves. I really like vintage color photography, and those alone are worth seeing the movie, in my opinion. The life story of the Rays seems kind of amazing too.

Yes they are indeed the evidence shows that big bussiness moved around circles and friends back then. The photograph of the Duck hunters is intresting wonder who all the names of the group are?? Also synchronicity of Dr Brandenburg interview and his fictional book which is outstanding viewpoint on the whole UFO affair.

 

[DissectionStalker]

DStalker, Perhaps the intelligence behind them is a lot closer to home- uncomfortably close.

Yes, like crashing in the desert and elsewhere seems to be at our level of intelligence.

The saucers were said to be skipping around too, maybe meant for Russia, but the picture he drew looked very human concept-tech compared to concept aircraft being flown for at least 2 decades. Add-in concept aircraft for the future decades were also present too, and then just start the UFO scarey-music flying these around all over the USA... What you can get is UFO invasion hysteria that helps the MIC and plays with the Russian minds too. Follow the Human motives of disinformation and money too, and it all adds-up to quoting you: "intelligence behind them is a lot closer to home- uncomfortably close".

Unless you're going for Bigfoot or similar, but those don't fly around much anymore.

 

[DissectionStalker]

Word on the street has it that Dew auctioned the slides off with Maussan being the highest bidder. If this in fact is the case Maussan may basically own the event.

I can just see the conspiracy now with Eisenhower or top brass giving them the photos to hide. It's another perfect 'conspiracy theory' that the elites are hiding from the little people. But the little people have got their revenge now. Look at all those 400 slides with the PTB, and they've been caught red-handed now!

Mexico loves UFO's, and they can see those elite gringos playing dirty with their little people too. Helps distract attention towards those Americans that keep Mexico downtrodden too.

 

[boomerang]

"...something very unusual almost undoubtedly did occur in Roswell in 1947."
There had been many flying discs recovered by civilians. Many were hoaxes, but there were also several instances of genuine objects being found.
Fallen rawin targets were being mistakenly identified as flying saucers or discs.

What is very unusual about the Roswell rawin recovery is why the military issued a press statement on it.
Many years later, Stanton Friedman and Bill Moore used those old newspaper headlines out of context, and a legend was born.

For more examples of what was recovered and being called a disc or saucer in 1947, see:
UFOs: A History, Volume 1: 1947 By Loren E. Gross (PDF)

An overblown comedy of errors cannot be ruled out. But yes, an official press release with virtually non-ambigious pronouncement that "we" had our hands on one of the flying discs that were so much in the pubic mind at that time--at least in New Mexico--is abby normal to say the least. And then we have on record a handful of very credible statements regarding purported representatives from the government treating citizens in a distinctly non-American fashion.

If nothing else, 1947 was a most interesting year.

 

[Trajanus]

What is very unusual about the Roswell rawin recovery is why the military issued a press statement on it.

It mentioned a disc not a balloon. KDR and other investigators have eliminated MOGUL.

Many years later, Stanton Friedman and Bill Moore used those old newspaper headlines out of context, and a legend was born

Roswell revived due to the testimony of the base intel officer of '47. Boomerang it's true that this case has been thoroughly mucked up, with disinfo, of which the slides are almost certainly just the latest example.

 

[Sentry]

KDR and other investigators have eliminated MOGUL.

There were rawin targets found from balloon launches before, during and after the Roswell event. It's nothing special in that regard, and you don't need to rely on MOGUL to account for it. These things were blowing around far and wide.

It's also worth noting that at the time, flying saucers or discs were a new mystery. The idea of them being alien spaceships was barely on the list of possible explanations.

 

[Constance]

Again, Bloecher's comprehensive report on the June-July 1947 ufo wave is essential to understanding the actual context in which the Roswell event took place and why it was covered up:

http://nicap.org/waves/Wave47Rpt/ReportOnWaveOf1947.pdf[/QUOTE]

 

[Sentry]

Again, Gross' comprehensive report on 1947 ufo wave is essential to understanding the actual context in which the Roswell event took place and why it was just another rawin recovery:

UFOs: A History, Volume 1: 1947 By Loren E. Gross (PDF)

 

[Constance]

Why not read both?

 

[boomerang]

There were rawin targets found from balloon launches before, during and after the Roswell event. It's nothing special in that regard, and you don't need to rely on MOGUL to account for it. These things were blowing around far and wide.

It's also worth noting that at the time, flying saucers or discs were a new mystery. The idea of them being alien spaceships was barely on the list of possible explanations.

So--your take on reports of heavy handed suppression of witness testimony is that it's all so much small town urban myth? I don't mean this facetiously, but in asking your opinion regarding how so many (again) seemingly high credibility participants have claimed (albeit in retrospect) to have been either bodily threatened or awed, or sometimes both.

I'm well aware of the fallibility of human memory and the power of rural boredom in spawning homemade entertainment. But still, I find much of what is on audio and video record to be compelling. I'm naturally referring to people like General Exon, the Marcels, and the gentleman who was the program manager (? not sure) of the local radio station.

A sort of footnote: A small isolated town populated by a large number of both active and retired spooks has a kind of social dynamic with which the average person is probably unfamiliar. The degree to which the local population can un-see certain topics, smile and go about their daily business can be quite amazing. I don't know if Roswell fit this description in 1947 or not. If so--the belated emergence of the whole affair would make some sense.

 

[DissectionStalker]

Why not read both?

Maybe for the same or similar reasons you won't watch Mirage Men, read Gabe Valdez's book Dulce Base The Truth and Evidence from the Case Files of Gabe Valdez, Greg Bishop's Project Beta, etc.

 

[Trajanus]

There were rawin targets found from balloon launches before, during and after the Roswell event. It's nothing special in that regard, and you don't need to rely on MOGUL to account for it. These things were blowing around far and wide.

They can hardly account for the wreckage found on the Foster ranch. For many years the skeptics--or best informed of them--have pointed only to MOGUL as an alternative to ET, and even it has been eliminated.

It's also worth noting that at the time, flying saucers or discs were a new mystery. The idea of them being alien spaceships was barely on the list of possible explanations.

What matters is that the material found was highly exotic, and the base intel officer couldn't identify it as anything he was familiar with i.e. anything earthly. And it is clear that Marcel considered it alien as Friedman was told he had found flying saucer pieces. Long before the late '70s flying saucers were equated with ET.

 

[Flatwoods]

They can hardly account for the wreckage found on the Foster ranch. For many years the skeptics--or best informed of them--have pointed only to MOGUL as an alternative to ET, and even it has been eliminated.



What matters is that the material found was highly exotic, and the base intel officer couldn't identify it as anything he was familiar with i.e. anything earthly. And it is clear that Marcel considered it alien as Friedman was told he had found flying saucer pieces. Long before the late '70s flying saucers were equated with ET.

A while back someone posted a question about the Roswell debris that I found interesting - why would alien beings fly around in a spaceship that is contsructed similar to a MOGUL balloon array? Actually, that question raises some strange possibilities.

What if we are dealing with a phenomenon that practices mimicry? Such a thing is not un-heard of in UFO reports. There have been cases where witnesses thought they were looking at planes or helicopters, only to discover the aircraft was something much more unusual. Some UFO cases involve the appearance of ordinary-looking aircraft in conjunction with UFOs, such as in the Cash-Landrum case. Even the beings themselves have been reported to alter appearance - abduction reports sometimes begin with seeing owls, deer, and other animals. I call these beings mimics, while others might call it by another name, such as trickster.

 

[Trajanus]

A while back someone posted a question about the Roswell debris that I found interesting - why would alien beings fly around in a spaceship that is contsructed similar to a MOGUL balloon array?

The exotic properties of the debris were quite unlike ordinary ballon junk.

What if we are dealing with a phenomenon that practices mimicry? Such a thing is not un-heard of in UFO reports. There have been cases where witnesses thought they were looking at planes or helicopters, only to discover the aircraft was something much more unusual.

To aid the secrecy of their operations, or prevent definite conclusions as to what they are, many ETs may disguise their craft.

Some UFO cases involve the appearance of ordinary-looking aircraft in conjunction with UFOs, such as in the Cash-Landrum case. Even the beings themselves have been reported to alter appearance - abduction reports sometimes begin with seeing owls, deer, and other animals.

Could be coinicidence considering that abductions often occur in remote areas. Also, animals tend to sound off in close proximity to UFOs. Schirmer was attracted to abducters by animal racket.

 

[Sentry]

Everyone should examine the facts for themselves using the best available documentation, and not rely on summaries and biased presentations from promoters with vested interests. Some of the supporting testimony from witnesses was gathered by people writing books promoting the story, so there are questions on how impartial they were in phrasing the questions and deciding which testimony to include or ignore.

Roswell, cover-up or not, was put in the dust bin in 1947. (As an aside, Roswell seems to have generated more hoaxes and fake documents than all other UFO cases combined.) Roswell is like an old Hollywood Squares celebrity, or a Kim Kardashian. Famous for being famous, but no one really remembers why.

There are scores of better UFO cases that were accurately reported as they occurred, supported by original testimony by multiple witnesses. Those better cases, old and new, have not gotten the follow-up attention they deserve

 

[boomerang]

Everyone should examine the facts for themselves using the best available documentation, and not rely on summaries and biased presentations from promoters with vested interests. Some of the supporting testimony from witnesses was gathered by people writing books promoting the story, so there are questions on how impartial they were in phrasing the questions and deciding which testimony to include or ignore.

Roswell, cover-up or not, was put in the dust bin in 1947. (As an aside, Roswell seems to have generated more hoaxes and fake documents than all other UFO cases combined.) Roswell is like an old Hollywood Squares celebrity, or a Kim Kardashian. Famous for being famous, but no one really remembers why.

There are scores of better UFO cases that were accurately reported as they occurred, supported by original testimony by multiple witnesses. Those better cases, old and new, have not gotten the follow-up attention they deserve

It has indeed passed into the realm of classic American folklore. Attempts to integrate it and other events of that year into the larger context of documented American history are doomed to failure. I think, however, that it will in some small degree live on in a limited segment of public consciousness, primarily due to witness testimony preserved on video. And probably the Roswell Chamber of Commerce as well.

 

[SRL+]

I foresee an incubation chamber, (bullring?), in Mexico City giving birth to a new generation of Roswell believers.