The Skinwalker Ranch Roundtable Show

[Apocalypto]

Yeah, well whatever is going on around that place, it's weird.

 

[SRL+]

Ryan, concerning your encounter with the materializing wolf. Had you prepared yourself for such an encounter? And if so, how did you? As one could only imagine that it would most likely adversely effect ones psyche in an acute way. What would you suggest to someone who has experienced what you have in order to decompress? Were you ever under the impression that the form of sentience in which you and your fellow researcher encountered was performing for you? What is your fellow researchers disposition, is he/she alright ?

 

[GeoShift]

Has anyone heard from "chip" lately? Great show. That sounds like one strange place. How about some pics or vids of the orbs and the wolf. Did I miss something here why a phone or cam wasn't used amidst this story?

 

[SRL+]

Has anyone heard from "chip" lately? Great show. That sounds like one strange place. How about some pics or vids of the orbs and the wolf. Did I miss something here why a phone or cam wasn't used amidst this story?

No, this story is just begining. BTW wheres your smiley face?

 

[icculus]

Great show. It inspired me to paste a story from a person who allegedly worked on the ranch between 2003-2005! He posted the story on a music message board a few years ago. I had a brief email exchange with this person and he seemed to be an honest guy. He also said he would be happy to talk to someone about it. Chris & Gene, message me and I'll give you his contact info.

PT | Phish | Unbelievable true UFO story​

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Here's the full story after copying and pasting his posts together in the thread​

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This is regarding my time spent on the Gorman Ranch (AKA the Skinwalker Ranch) in the Uinta Basin in Utah from 2003-2005. I worked with a team from an indendant company who was working with the National Institute of Discovery Science (NIDS) team that had already been there for a while.​

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Before I get into my experiences there, I should provide a back story for those who are unfamiliar with the events surrounding this place. Just an FYI, many of the names will not be real names, as the majority of those involved wanted to remain annonymous.​

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Back in the mid 90's (I believe it was 94-97) the Gorman family purchased a large ranch in the Uinta Basin in Utah in order to set up a ranch for their prized cattle. They had moved from out of state (New Mexico I believe, but I can't exactly remember) and brought the cattle with them. From day one on the ranch they experienced several oddities that would eventually cause them to sell the ranch. ​

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On the first day there, as they were getting the first load of cattle in the pen they saw a large wolf in the distance. This was strange because there really aren't wolves in that region. This was made all the stranger in that the wolf approached them and acted like a tame dog, even allowing them to pet it. Then, out of knowwhere, the wolf lunged at one of the calfs in the pen that stuck it's head out between the bars. Tom Gorman (the father) grabbed his rifle and fired at the wolf. The wolf let the calf go, and just stood their looking at the Gorman family before running away. Tom and his sun tried to track the wolf, but they lost it in the trees. They reported there was no blood at all, and wolf didn't even act as though it had been hurt.​

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This was just their first day.​

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SO as I said before I was in highschool during the mid-90s, and I really didn't know any of this crazy stuff was going on there. I had a friend who's mother actually ran a paranormal investigation company. I had always been interested in that sort of thing, but I kind of remained skeptical about a lot of it. I had seen UFO's, and while I couldn't explain what I thought they were, I never really thought it was an alien or anything like that.​

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Anyway, I started working with my friends mother and her group my senior year in HS, which got me started researching paranormal events. Mostly we just went to ghost sightings, and "haunted" places. I never really saw anything too crazy there, but I learned how to be objective in the face of what some thought was parnormal activity. ​

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Long story short, I kept in contact through college, and eventually attended a big convention in the DC area with the group. This would be where I would meet a man who would later hire me to join his team on the Ranch.​

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Now we get to the meat. I would spend between a week and a month on the ranch and surrounding areas then have 2 weeks to a month off, then return back with my team. I was thereon and off from 2003-2005. ​

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Now, any of you who know much about the ranch know that by the early 2000's most of the events had died down. There were no more missing animals, no crazy sounds, or weird monsters in the darkness. the NIDS team continued to monitor the ranch, but short of the occasional UFO sighting or strange ball of light off in the distance there wasn't much to report. By the time I got there (August of 2003) it was like sitting on any old farm. We would just hang out, play cards, and monitor equiptment for any magnetic anomalies. I remember on time on my second visit I saw some lights in the sky in the distance, and I got really excited, but it turned out to be an airplane. ​

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So life went on like that for a while. I would go to the ranch or the surrounding areas, monitor the equiptment, answer phones, feed the cattle and dogs. ​

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A couple of times I had just missed an event by a day or so. I would get to the ranch and some of the team members would tell me that the night before I missed a "fly by" (a UFO). After the 4th time going there I had begun contemplating whether or not I wanted to keep doing this. I was just getting bored and the travel was getting to be a bit much. When I signed on I had such high hopes. I didn't think that my job would amount to me being a glorified ranch hand.​

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Also, please note I didn't say I was ON the NIDS team. I was working with them. Once things started to die down on the ranch NIDS pulled a lot of their members off the ranch. They always had a a few members on, but they also brought in some outside teams as well. A lot of what went on there in the mid 2000's wasn't really reported on, because, with a few exceptions, not much really went on.​

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Anyway, on May 23, 2004 I finally had my first experience. Almost a years worth of ranch work, and finally it paid off and in quite a big way.​

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It was a bit past dinner time and we were sitting in the NIDS trailer. Outside the dogs started going nuts. I had never heard them acting like that before. So I looked out my window and saw light being shined on the dog pen.​

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I walked out with 2 of the other guys and we saw a ball of light buzz by the dog pen and off through the field toward a line of trees. After a couple hundred yards the ball curved in and flew off in a different direction and then just winked out. Poof! Just like that. My mind was BLOWN! I had finally seen something worth noting.​

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This was the first experience I had. It only lasted about 45 seconds, but it made everything up to that point worth it!​

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A few days later on that same visit I saw one of the fabled black triangles that had been seen a lot during hey day of the activity on the ranch. It was just after dusk so the sky wasn't completely dark and got a call from one of the "neighbors" (someone who lived near by) saying that they had just seen a UFO and it was headed in our direction. We all were out looking at the sky and in a very short amount of time we saw a completely silent black triangle with one white light in the center. It didn't fly directly over us, but we did observe it flying over the property and then it flew off into the distance. It wasn't as cool as the ball of light we saw, but it did show that there was something to all of this UFO stuff. After that sighting I wouldn't see anything again until early 2005.​

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Ok ,I'm going to try to finish off my experiences in the next 2 posts. As I mentioned before I left the ranch team in 2005. But I got a lot luckier in 2005 than I did in the other year and a half that I was there. Nothing too crazy though, I didn't see monsters or get abducted or anything, but there was one experience that was just too much for me that happened toward the end of the summer in 2005. I'll get to that, but first I'll run down what else I experienced.​

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Feb 12 2005. I remember it well because it was 2 days before Valentine's day and it was to be the first v-day that my (then) girlfriend and I would spend apart. This day was one of the most eventful days I spent at the ranch. It had been a typical day. I walked the grounds, fed the dogs, checked the fenced perimeter and started to head back to the trailer. I decided I'd walk along the creek to get back. As I was walking I looked down and there was a large perfect circle cut out of the ice. I was told something similar had happened before, but the last time it was a circle cut into the ice about a half inch. This time all the ice in the circle was removed. There were no foot prints on either side of the creek bed, and the ice wasn't cracked at all. Just a perfect circle taken out of the ice. ​

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Normally I wouldn't have been bothered by something like this. I may not have even noticed, but because of all the other crazy stuff that has gone on, I took note, but didn't get too excited. I came back like one of the NIDS guys know what I saw, and he went and checked it out, took some notes, and that was that.​

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When I got back I put my jacket on the back of a chair and put the keys to the dog pen on the desk, then sat down to eat some lunch, I was the only one in the trailer at this time, as the other guys were checking out the ice circle. ​

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About 20 minutes later I heard some excited voices and I went out to check what was up. The team was returning, but they were all looking up into the sky. As I looked up into the gray february sky there was solid black orb or ball shaped thing flying around. It was pretty high up, but it was doing aerial sommersaults. We watched it for about 3-5 mintues before it just stopped and the kind of faded away. I'm really not sure how else to describe it. ​

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So we were all excited about what we just saw and were obviously talking about it. The day wore on and we were all abuzz with what had gone one that day. As night started to fall it was time to feed the dogs again. The keys to their pen were nowhere to be found though, even though I KNOW I put them back where they always went, right on the desk. Yet they were not there. We looked in the desk, under the desk. other places in the trailer. I even triple checked all of my pockets. Gone. So I offered to retrace mysteps to find the keys. I still couldn't find them. While I had been out they continued searching to no avail. I got back a little while later, and walk into the trailer, only to find that the keys were exactly where I had left them. I thought it was prank, but everyone was seriously surprised that they had been just sitting on the desk in plain view even though we were all looking EVERYWHERE fore them. ​

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That's really it for that day. I'll finish shortly. Gotta get some work done.​

To be continued in next post…​

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[icculus]

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Before going back into my story I'll address the evidence questions. I know it's going to sound hard to believe, but whatever is behind this stuff, does not want to leave evidence behind. The NIDS team set up 2 groups of video cameras on telephone poles. They had a camera that was angled so that it could see part of the field as well as the other cameras. The wires on the cameras were torn out at one point, and the camera that was facing them had the whole thing on video, but there was nothing that could be seen. The feed on the cameras ended around 8 o'clock so they reviewed the recording from the other camera to see if they could get a visual on what had done it, and nothing was on tape at all.​

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They tried to photograph UFOs and the balls of light, but on film they just appeared as blurs. At one point (before I was there) a couple members of the NIDS team said they witnessed a portal open up in the ground and something crawled out if it. They tried to take pictures, but all they got back was a picture of a dim orange light on the ground. Not exactly top notch evidence, ya know? Someone did take a picture of the black triangle, but nothing substantial could be seen in the photo. ​

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For those who think I might be making this stuff up to avoid presenting evidence, do some research on the ranch. You'll see what I'm talking about. Even if we did have photographic evidence though, do you really think they would have allowed me to bring it back with me?​

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Since I wasn't a member of the NIDS team I have no idea what was done with the photos, and the only photos I saw were really blurry. They were taken with a digital camera and the only time I saw them were in viewing them on the camera's screen. Even though I was there helping with the day to day stuff, I wasn't privy to what they were doing with the notes they took, or the pictures that were taken. A lot of the stuff that went down at the ranch I heard from second hand sources. At times it felt a lot like going to summer camp and sitting around a fire telling stories. ​

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to be honest I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the stuff was being supressed. What happened on the above mentioned day was never reported (the black orb thing), and what I'll explain happened later on while I was there was definately never reported to any outside sources. I heard a lot of 2nd hand stories from NIDS members that I have yet to read in print or on the net anywhere. There is some seriously crazy stuff that happened there, even after NIDS arrived. Most of it occured from 99-2001.​

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It does sound pretty similar, but it was completely silent. I'm not saying that it wasn't a b2 though. I'm not an specialist at all. All I know is that there had been lots of talks of black triangles that had been seen, and I saw one of them. I would have to assume that the NIDS team would have been able to tell the difference between a known aircraft, and an unknown aircraft, but maybe I'm giving them too much credit.​

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Ok, I supposed I'll wrap this thing up. Since nothing HUGE happened until I decided to leave I'll just gloss over it. There were mostly strange sounds, dogs acting strange, and the occassional light in the distance. Nothing TOO weird happened until one night in mid september 2005.​

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In the trailer it was just me and one of the NIDS guys. We were just sitting around playing cards. Suddenly at the exact same moment the air felt electrical (it's the only way I can put it) and the dogs outside started going nuts again, but this time they sounded scared, with yelping and whinning and the like. I got up from my seat to look out the window, but I didn't see anything. I looked over at my partner, and he looked kind of dazed. ​

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I started to heard a sort of faint buzzing sound, and then it repeated itself. My partner kind of nodded and said "We need to go outside". So I followed him out of the trailer and he looked up into the sky. I also looked up and at first I didnt see anything. After scanning for a few seconds, I did notice a spot in the sky that was somehow darker than the sky. I couldn't make out an exact shape, but I could tell something was there. ​

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He was looking straight up at what I though was some sort of object in the sky. He told me he could hear it, but I didn't hear anything at all at this point. I'll never forget his face. It was almost a look of awe, but also kind of trance-like. After about a minute to 2 minutes there was a quick bright flash of light in the sky. The electrical feeling in the air was gone, and the dark object was also gone.​

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He turned to me and told me that they had spoken to him. This is going to be so hard for most of you to believe, and I wouldn't have believed it had I not been there. He told me (I'm paraphrasing because I don't remember word for word what he said) that they knew what we were doing there, and that they were doing the same thing, only our roles were reversed. He said that they told him that they have the advantage, and we cannot stop them from doing whatever they want to do. They also told him something like they were going back to work. I wish I could remember the way he worded it though. It was really chilling. ​

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Had I not been present for that I highly doubt I would have believed a word of it, but the look on his face, and the way he related to me what had been said to him made me a true believer. I'm not ashamed to admit that I was terrified after that, and when that week was over I decided I was going to leave the ranch and not go back.​

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I know that it sounds ridiculous, especially the last part, but it scared the hell out of me, and there is no doubt in my mind that this guy was for real. I heard that someone else had claimed they heard them as well, but I really didn't know whether or not to believe them. As soon as I witnessed this guy though, I did believe.​

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There is some seriously scary stuff out there, and the world is a lot bigger than we tend to think it is.​

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Based on what I heard from others that had been there a long time, they seem to think that it's not aliens from outter space, but maybe something crossing over from another dimension. I was listening to one of the phsyicists talk about it one night over dinner, and he was explaining how 2 universes could overlap each other and take up the same space, and that sometimes the barrier between the 2 could be crossed. I really don't have much of a mind for science, so to be honest a lot of what he was saying really went over my head, but I remember him talking about universes taking up the same space. ​

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As an example for those of us that weren't on his level he put to pieces of paper together to represent the 2 universes and then punched a hole in one of them so that the other paper was visiable. The hole represented a breach in the barrier between the 2 universes​

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He also talked about how he didnt think they were from outerspace, because of how difficult space travel is.​

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I kind of agree with that. I just don't think that something would travel through outerspace just to mess with people and kill their animals. I can understand that maybe the breach in the 2 universes is only in that region, so that is why there is activity in and around the area. It's a matter of convinience for them maybe? I really don't know what to think about it though. ​

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I'm also kind of wondering about the bigfoot sightings in the area and the poltergeist like activity that was reported to take place on the ranch.​

 

[Kieran]

Good show. Ryan, you are the one who saw this wolf right? If you are the one, would you describe it as looking more like a dog than a wolf? And, if that is the case could it have been a huge wolfhound you saw?

I'm also fascinated weird phenomenon like this has a preference for locations were agriculture is the norm. Least it seems that way to me. Fairies, its well known in Ireland had an interest with cattle and wheat. Their is a story to what that is, but it will take too long to write about it here, but that information should be accessible on the internet, i think?

I think one of this weeks guests talked about people having seen creatures near mounds or appearing to come from mounds. Smacks of Fairies lol

I also laughed when the story of one man was told, he claimed to have seen four or five little men dancing to music. And they spoke to him in a language he could not understand. I don't know if this story is legit or not, but it sounds like this man met fairies?

Is this Ranch still guarded today and by how many guards? Anyone know.

"Chip, was interesting guy get him on for a full show. He sounded honest to me. If i didn't know any better one would think an episode of "fringe" is being filmed out there.

Military personnel allegedly witnessing something that scared them off the ranch. Portals, animals that can't be killed, Colored orbs, UFO's, Shapeshifters and so forth what the hell is causing this and will we ever know for sure what it is?

 

[SRL+]

For those of you who doubt “Skinwalker”, consider this. It would take a conspiracy consisting of Jacques Vallee, Ret. Col. John Alexander, Jack Sarfatti, Robert Bigelow, Colm Kelleher, George Knapp, Junior Hicks, Frank Salisbury, the Sherman Family, Christopher O’Brien, Ryan Skinner, possibly the NSA, and a cast consisting of countless others.

 

[ryan]

Ryan, concerning your encounter with the materializing wolf. Had you prepared yourself for such an encounter? And if so, how did you? As one could only imagine that it would most likely adversely effect ones psyche in an acute way. What would you suggest to someone who has experienced what you have in order to decompress? Were you ever under the impression that the form of sentience in which you and your fellow researcher encountered was performing for you? What is your fellow researchers disposition, is he/she alright ?

1. No, i'm my opinion no one is ever prepared for a direct encounter with a multidimensional, jinn, or what is more commonly known as a "spiritual" being, regardless of the amount of training and reading prior to. Too many unknown variables are running through your head, however if the "unknown" could become known, it would however lessen this fear related to confusion.

2. I think your second question is an excellent one, my suggestions is to not dwell on the topic, to get back into the real world, dive in head first into our human experience and to push aside (temporarily) this foreign reality for a time while the psyche heals. We as humans are good at ignoring and explaining away the paranormal, after such a encounter i actually support this behavior for a brief period to as you put it "decompress".

3. Yes Frank Salisbury was correct in mentioning that this form of intellience puts on a "display" for certain witnesses for yet unknown reasons. I did however get the distinct impression that we for the first time ever caught it off guard when we first approached the ranch. Whatever is it it seems to be telepathic and to read one's mind (based on my experience), however this is somehow limited either by distance or the quatum phsyics role of you as the conscious observer or lack thereof of an observer. I've also somewhat suspected that when they go "invisible" i'm curious if they are only invisible to the conscious mind of the observer. The entities domain appears more attuned towards residing and manipulating human consciousness than towards the nuts and bolts 3 dimensional physical machines we assume ET flies around within. My father, forever the skeptic, used to laughingly tell my family the only aliens that exist are not in outer space, are there there between your own two ears Ryan. Everyone would laugh, and i remember being frustrated, however unknown to any of us, years later i've determined his remark was exactly correct.

 

[red_pill_junkie]

This show is gonna be a classic. Imo link it tomorrow @ TDG

PS: Ryan, at the risk of being impertinent, have you shown that video you talked about to Richard Dolan? I'm asking because of a obscure comment he made on his Truth Out radio show at the beginning of 5/26/12.

 

[red_pill_junkie]

i'm sorry which specific video? Who is Richard Dolan and what was his comment?

Are you being facetious?

During this Paracast interview a video was mentioned that was said to be extremely interesting. Dolan mentioned on his radio show (episode 9, @ -2:37:40) that he was looking on to 2 different cases in which he wasn't at liberty to elaborate on. One a case involving a military installation, and the other a video taken by "individuals that are very well-known to [him]", taken during a "stake-out of an interesting area" (his words).

Just trying to connect the dots here, vato

 

[PararealitySaint]

For myself the really cool aspect of this particular episode was the fact that it was one of the few subjects in the paranormal world I never looked into with any zeal. I had heard about "the Skinwalker ranch" from Chris and others, but I had no idea it had anything to do with North American native heritage, nor what a "skinwalker" was in fact.

After listening in on the recording I wanted to ask Chris a few questions....

1. How many years ago can the first traces of the story of the Skinwalker be found?

2. This might have been explained, but I wanted to ask again....Were the average amount of stories more malignant or benign?

3. Is there any video taken of this creature or any of the happenings on the Ranch? If so, where can they be found....YouTube as an example, but are they actually from the Ranch and do you or any of your associates confirm their authenticity.

Thanks in advance Chris for your answers. I really enjoyed the show and pray that an update is provided by the current owner one day. If not by him, than perhaps someone who finally wins the opportunity to continue research on this private property.

 

[GeoShift]

No, this story is just begining. BTW wheres your smiley face?

 

[marduk]

I just finished the show and I wanted to chime in on the commentary that went on about the video recordings of strange events not showing up in the recorded timeline.
The same thing happened to me once, I thought I was a bit crazy so I'm glad to hear it happened to others!
I took my family to the UK about 8 years ago and we stopped at Stonehenge on a rainy day. I was videotaping our visit and lo and behold but a black unmarked helecopter circled the henge very low (~50 feet or so) and then took off. I remember vividly videotaping the event, even zooming in on the pilot.
When I got home, it wasn't recorded... no blank tape, no cuts, no nothing. It's as if it didn't happen. It was one of those old sony tape machines too, so I would've felt/heard the tape motors stop. Very weird.

 

[marduk]

One other item to add is that if it is in fact true that the ranch is a "weak spot between realities" or an overalap between universes (universi?) something like a Wilbert Smith binding meter might be able to measure it:
Wilbert B. Smith: Gravity Control ~ Binding Force ~ CaduceusCoil ~ Letters ~ Circuit Diagrams (scroll down to "Binding Force Discussion")
For those that don't know, Wilbert Smith was a prominent Canadian engineer in the 1940's through 1960's that was very interested in UFOs.

 

[Artyom]

@Artyom - not seen you in a while?.

Me either -), seriously speaking my life goes this way - periods of when I'm deeply immersed at work and than brief moments of when I can say something here, hopefully valuable for others -

I used to set up a Google News Alert for Skinwalker ranch but over the months I wasn't able to catch any valuable piece of information. This show has really informed me and put me up to speed and I do hope that the follow ups will come. I think this case demands scientific study by another scientists group, without any affiliation with Bigalo.

I believe deliberate monitoring instruments could be the reason why it was hard to collect the data - it's like trying to spy for somebody setting a camera in front of his nose and hoping he doesn't notice. How about strapping a small cam to a dog prior going to the ranch and letting it walk around freely? That could potentially produce better results. Not sure what storage would be possible to utilize (hopefully at least 64gb like on an iPhone), battery life to have on such camera (again hopefully 10-12 hrs)


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[Artyom]

to NDA bite him.

Or NSA...



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[Goggs Mackay]

I don't have time right now to do justice to a few points that interest me but in case I forget I wanna record them here to hear other members' thoughts.

1: If the strange things in the basin are happening outside of the human brain (not hallucinations) then we can maybe surmise these things have happened on Earth for a long time - possibly before we even had civilisations. That being the case, It could bring a totally new perspective on ancient legends such as the gods messing with mankind and beasts such as the minotaur of ancient Greece. Werewolves and the like may actually have been seen in the past. Listening to the show either Ryan/David mentioned an orb changing into the ever-present wolf etc.
Now the Native American traditions of things like the Skinwalker seem more plausible but not in the way I may have dismissed as superstition in the past.


2: So many times I have heard of buzzing noises just prior to weird events and I can tell you from first hand experience that the most powerful of hallucinogens have the same buzzing noises announcing the arrival of the other-worldly experiences. Ibogaine for sure has that and so does DMT. And we are not talking the hallucinations that people routinely and incorrectly attribute to LSD. LSD just does not really cause the full-on technicolor I-am-living-the-Lord-of-the-Rings experience in which you are totally removed from our perception of day to day life.
So is the buzzing a coincidence or is it a symptom of the brain transiting from normal input to a vastly different experiential input?

3: Are the UFOs part of the same strangeness at the Ranch or are they merely observing too? For some reason I think it must be all the same source - but if that is the case then are any UFOs what we think or are they all part of some strange intelligence that could be behind almost any sighting of high strangeness? Or, is the intelligence at the Ranch just using what is already in our lives (wolves, ufos) to mess with us?

4: Why the Uintah basin such a hot-spot? It forces one to possibly accept the 'portal' explanation. Isn't it amazing that the native americans have gone so far as to make the place culturally a complete no-go area? How long has this been going on?

5: If a 3-letter agency is indeed involved up there and that can be proved, I think in terms of 'are parts of the government really investigating UFOs and such like' we can say we have a smoking gun. I just cannot believe paid agents of the government could be involved in the ranch (they ain't herding cattle) with all it's weirdness but not be interested in the UFO phenomena.

Please please please weigh in guys - I do consider myself a UFO guy in the main, but this ranch/basin has to be the No.1 paranormal hotspot worldwide that we know of. I cannot tire of hearing of the stuff up there.
In fact, I've long been intending to take a ufo/paranormal trip to the States and I've often wondered where I might go. The SLV? Sedona?.......The Uintah Basin has risen to the top of the list easily. I hope it will be possible to get near that area before the Government starts pulling eminent domain and buying everything up like they did round Area 51 - just to stop people sneaking a look.
(but there are indeed valid military reasons not to want a vantage point, however far away, that allows the curious or foreign spies to watch the most secret of research - it's annoying but understandable. I've held and read top secret documents seen by less than 8 people, two of them being myself and a former Prime Minister of UK and there are extremely pressing reasons why they should not be available for all to see)

 

[Goggs Mackay]

Oh, and Gene/Chris - from the reaction and number of posed questions I think it an absolute must to be already planning follow-up shows on the Ranch/Uintah basin soon.

I love the variety of topics/guests on the show but this ranch and associated phenomena is just mind-blowing.

People like Bigelow do not get so rich by wasting money on folly. Considering he is paying hard cash for scientists and security going back years - we can assume that something is indeed happening there - something strong enough for a rich man to devote time and effort to.

Do any of our very skeptical members have any thoughts on the ranch? I am as interested in hearing their thoughts as any others.

 

[starise]

This story has all of the trappings that drew people to area 51 and even more. Secrecy.The NSA and other govt. involvment, orbs,triangle ufos, little people,animals that morph. Interested billionares...whew!

All I could find on youtube were grainy videos of the ranch and a few lights. The secrecy alone will keep this thing going for years to come I'm sure.

The one thing that strikes me as most noticable with this case as opposed to many others is the VARIETY of the supposed,proported sightings. I mean we get it all in this one, even little knomes lol.

If I sound slightly skeptical I guess I am. This is like the smorgasborg of the paranormal here!!

If it is true, then the one thing standing out to me is that this could prove a common thread to the sheer variety we classify as paranormal. One source, many different kinds of sightings that are usually segregated by themselves in other instances are all together here. What does that say about the nature of what we're dealing with? Is the same guy behind the curtain on all of it??