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I don't know I just am not a fan of Alex Jones he is a fear merchant making millions from scaring his audience and half the crap he talks about is bs.

Alex Jones has an agenda and he likes to spin every story that happens in the news into a grand conspiracy.
 
This episode has our own Don "The Don" Ecker and our own Chris Obrien.

Congrats guys you are in the bigtime now.

1. Observation I think that TruTV used some of the worst UFO videos in this episode totally fake.

2. Jesse and Alex Jones know absolutely nothing about UFOs and it was painful to see how uninformed they were.

SOME THINGS I LIKED:

1. Its good to see Skinwalker get national attention
2. It was good to have Bigelow finally cornered and pressed on his activities.
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All these paranormal shows look like theyre trailers for some other better programme.
American TV executives are fucking morons. They really think people are so stupid that they cant sit through a programme without an 80s MTV style aesthetic or an imbecilic narrative structure. Its really pathetic. Shows like this and UFO hunters and Ghost finders or what ever the fuck its called.. its just such a wasted opportunity. My fucking three year old nephew could make, edit and write a better fucking programme. How about sitting down and writing a show that doesnt rely on gimmicks, crass sound bites, ego driven characters and shit editing. Its such a fucking waste of everyones time energy and money. Instead of setting ridiculous goals and spreading yourself thin over an entire series, just pool the cash and make one good 3hr long film documentary with real film makers and JOURNALISTS OR REAL INVESTIGATORS. For fuck sake.


Nice seeing Chris and Don tho, I just hope they got paid.
 
Well, Nameless, you have just done an excellent job of listing all the reasons I never watch TV. We have a nice big LCD screen for movies, but we don't have cable and never watch the revolting crap that spills out of hotel TVs or such. Don't miss it a bit.
 
@Nameless - I agree 100% but the fact is that these TV producers are always catering for the maximum number of viewers, which of course means aiming everything at the 'average' person. And the most viewed vide EVER is now 'Gangnam Style' - the South Korean travesty that has the artistic merit of the Crazy Frog ringtone on an old Nokia.

I hate it too. I hate having to accept that the majority of people, frankly, have poor taste and are stupid. It's the same reason a country manages to let itself be steered to war by very, very few people, when it's obvious there is no good reason for said war.

I suppose an answer would be a quality paranormal documentary on some kind of pay-per-view but then who's gonna pay?
 
It was a pretty good show as far as it went. Bigelow and Alexander are interesting guys and it's hard to ignore Ventura. Say what you want about him, but the guy is a former state governor and that gives him more gravitas than most. Bigelow, in particular, was really tap dancing around some straightforward questions. Another interesting guy is Ron Pandolfi whose name did not come up.
 
Ventura is an interesting character, but he was not exactly swept into office by acclimation. His election was generally regarded as a fluke, but he turned out to be a lot less silly than most Minnesotans expected him to be. I knew a Minnesotan pretty well at the time, and when asked about the election, he said, "You know, it's funny. It's hard to find anyone who voted for him." This Minnesotan has a dry sense of humor. He meant, of course, that few people wanted to admit to voting for the "none of the above" candidate.

Beyond all that, he has said some things I agree with, but he generally seems to be on the nutball end of the conspiracy island, which does not help his credibility. If I could choose who I could take along if I had to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town late at night, he'd be right up there with Commander Worf, with extra points for being a real person, but that hardly means he is the best source of truth about reality. :)
 
Double Nought Spy said:
If I could choose who I could take along if I had to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town late at night, he'd be right up there with Commander Worf, with extra points for being a real person, but that hardly means he is the best source of truth about reality. :)
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Hahaha. yeah Ventura does have the pro wrestling background and there's no shortage of dramatic license in the presentation, but Bigelow's involvement in the UFO phenomenon is a matter of public record and the ambush interviews were interesting as was the sit down with Alexander, who obviously has been very available with promoting his UFO book. It was laughable that Ventura has to go to his great source Alex Jones to get these names when anyone of keeps an eye on UFO matters knows them. Again, they missed Pandolfi.
 
I can't watch anything with Ventura in it, his "I'm the toughest man to ever shit between two shoes" act makes me want to gag. Throw in Alex Jones and you've just made a rare cocktail of total crapola. What a cluster eff that show is, how many conspiracy idiots do you need on one show? Really? Ventura's the worst one by far though, I'll never forget the radio interview I heard him do where he threatened to punch out one of the hosts because he wasn't swallowing his 9/11 conspiracy garbage, way to get your point across Jesse, you toolbox. I watched one episode of this awful show, they had some chick on it who claimed to be a reptillian hybrid and they shit their collective pants when she started play acting a reptile by fluttering her eyes a lot and moving her head like a snake. I had to turn it off in disgust. These idiots make whatever topic they touch look bad by mere association.
 
Muadib said:
I can't watch anything with Ventura in it, his "I'm the toughest man to ever shit between two shoes" act makes me want to gag. Throw in Alex Jones and you've just made a rare cocktail of total crapola. What a cluster eff that show is, how many conspiracy idiots do you need on one show? Really? Ventura's the worst one by far though, I'll never forget the radio interview I heard him do where he threatened to punch out one of the hosts because he wasn't swallowing his 9/11 conspiracy garbage, way to get your point across Jesse, you toolbox. I watched one episode of this awful show, they had some chick on it who claimed to be a reptillian hybrid and they shit their collective pants when she started play acting a reptile by fluttering her eyes a lot and moving her head like a snake. I had to turn it off in disgust. These idiots make whatever topic they touch look bad by mere association.
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In any hour long TV show of this type, if there's 5-8 minutes of legitimate stuff that's actually pretty good. The Bigelow stuff was pretty good.
 
Muadib said:
I can't watch anything with Ventura in it, his "I'm the toughest man to ever shit between two shoes" act makes me want to gag. Throw in Alex Jones and you've just made a rare cocktail of total crapola. What a cluster eff that show is, how many conspiracy idiots do you need on one show? Really? Ventura's the worst one by far though, I'll never forget the radio interview I heard him do where he threatened to punch out one of the hosts because he wasn't swallowing his 9/11 conspiracy garbage, way to get your point across Jesse, you toolbox. I watched one episode of this awful show, they had some chick on it who claimed to be a reptillian hybrid and they shit their collective pants when she started play acting a reptile by fluttering her eyes a lot and moving her head like a snake. I had to turn it off in disgust. These idiots make whatever topic they touch look bad by mere association.
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Holy crap! I have to admit I've never seen any of these shows. I don't watch TV and don't waste time watching TV on the computer either. I knew Ventura was pretty far out, but wow. I'd forgotten about his 9-11 "career." In every sense of the word.
 
Frank Stalter said:
In any hour long TV show of this type, if there's 5-8 minutes of legitimate stuff that's actually pretty good. The Bigelow stuff was pretty good.
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Yeah, but I'm really suspicious of that "we got him cornered" attitude. I'd think that all these TV programmes are probably very much staged and that if Bigelow hadn't wanted to make some statement, they wouldn't have gotten through to him at all. In that respect, I found it actually quite amazing when he practically admitted that something out of the ordinary and unexplainable has indeed been going on at the "Skinwalker Ranch". He could have just said that his guys were only sitting around waiting and nothing happened at all.

About that other stuff, that he's building an "escape pod" or that he's either in cahoots with space aliens or fighting invasions, that's (IMO) unsustainable conspiracy nonsense. And John Alexander is as much of a dangerous"grey eminence" as that Alex Jones guy is of an honest investigative journalist.
 
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Yeah, but I'm really suspicious of that "we got him cornered" attitude. I'd think that all these TV programmes are probably very much staged and that if Bigelow hadn't wanted to make some statement, they wouldn't have gotten through to him at all. In that respect, I found it actually quite amazing when he practically admitted that something out of the ordinary and unexplainable has indeed been going on at the "Skinwalker Ranch". He could have just said that his guys were only sitting around waiting and nothing happened at all.

About that other stuff, that he's building an "escape pod" or that he's either in cahoots with space aliens or fighting invasions, that's (IMO) unsustainable conspiracy nonsense. And John Alexander is as much of a dangerous"grey eminence" as that Alex Jones guy is of an honest investigative journalist.
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It's actually quite amazing that a guy like Bigelow is into all this as deep as he is. It's been out there of course for anyone who keeps an eye on UFOs and he has been interviewed before for print but I've never seen him with a mike in front of him and he did seem genuinely taken aback. I like the double ambush technique they used too. Could it have been, to use an expression from Ventura's previous business, a "work"? Yeah, but it was one of the better moments I've seen in these TV shows related to UFOs in a while.
 
Just watched this episode on my dvr, have to say I wasn't all that impressed.
If Bigelow is planning on building some sort of space station to avoid an alien invasion..... then he has either better technology that what's currently mainstream,...or he's an idiot.

He's supposed to be building a doomsday satellite of love? Like the space station from James Bond "Moonraker" kind of thing?
Well, aside from the fact he's completely exposed to any space faring craft.....any station is going to need a lot of supplies in storage.....especially if us dirt pounders will be fighting World War Alien, we won't have the inclination or resources to re-supply him and his elite is he doesn't store enough stuff.
The logistics alone for such an endeavor must be a nightmare.
And what's he gonna do if the aliens win? Float up there forever?

The whole space station idea smells like a diversion to me. Something to throw off the scent of what's really going on at the Skinwalker ranch.
What might that be?
 
Frank Stalter said:
It's actually quite amazing that a guy like Bigelow is into all this as deep as he is. .
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...and to admit it even in a TV programme as obscure as this. That's something that no person of public interest in my country would ever do, I think. Even if someone did, they would follow it up with something like "but that's all turned out to be nothing anyone should pursue, it's all hoaxes and misinterpretations." That's why I had that one big "wow"-moment in the show when he said there have actually some strange things been going on at the ranch.

It's been out there of course for anyone who keeps an eye on UFOs and he has been interviewed before for print but I've never seen him with a mike in front of him and he did seem genuinely taken aback. I like the double ambush technique they used too.
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Yeah, but do you really think they wouldn't have run into his bodyguards and his entourage first? And if he had then refused to give any statement, there would have been nothing they could have done. I agree that he might have some actor skills in pretending to be surprised, but I'm afraid it was staged.

Could it have been, to use an expression from Ventura's previous business, a "work"? Yeah, but it was one of the better moments I've seen in these TV shows related to UFOs in a while
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Yeah, I hadn't expected anything like that either. The rest of the show, as nameless said, looked very much as if it was a trailer for a much better programme. As TV mostly does to me nowadays. Sensationalistic, quick cut, no real in-depth reporting, mutilating interviews. Maybe Bigelow thought that he could make that statement (or allow the producers to use it later on) because nobody besides some hopeless conspiracy nuts who have the patience to sit through all that bad TV would get to watch it anyway.
 
It's hard to imagine a billionaire like Bigelow really being ambushed. Equally hard to imagine him being silly enough to say anything on camera that he didn't want broadcast. He is no fool, after all, and I don't think he would have been afraid of being beat up by Jesse if he didn't talk. :)

I don't see anything mysterious about any of the things he's done, either. If you have a strong interest in this stuff, and more money than you can figure out how to spend, then why not buy whatever bits of it you can get your hands on? Billionaires love control, thrive on it, require it if they are to remain billionaires. It goes with the territory, I think.

Not that I think it's a good situation, a private billionaire having control over all that data, and being a key recipient of government outsourcing. It just leads to opacity where there should be transparency.
 
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