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UFOs and Nukes

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It's a bullshit story, as in, it didn't happen. Next question.

dB

Whats the story with David, do you know? Just a bullshit rumour that self-replicated over the web?

A quick google search found this at UFOEvidence.org (usually pretty credible):

Walter Cronkite’s UFO Encounter - UFO Evidence

Heres a snippet:

-snip-
Cronkite mentioned that he and the other reporters had been warned that photography of the missile test and any audio transmissions or recordings by the press were forbidden. They would have to give a written account of the event. Just as the test was ready to proceed, everyone was writing as fast as they could. As Air Force Security personnel walked around the perimeter of the test area with guard dogs and the news reporters watched, the missile was fired-up and about to be released. Just then, a large disc-type UFO appeared on the scene. Cronkite guessed that the object was about 50-60 feet in diameter, a dull grey color and had no visible means of propulsion. Because the noise of activity around him and the missile engine was so loud, he couldn’t tell whether the disc made any noise. He did not notice any coming directly from the object. As Air Force guards ran toward the UFO with their dogs, the disc hovered about 30 feet off of the ground. It suddenly sent out a blue beam of light which struck the missile, a guard and a dog all at the same time. The missile was frozen in mid-air about 70 feet from the launcher as it had taken off. A guard was frozen in mid-step and a dog frozen in mid-air as it had jumped at the disc. Cronkite reminded me that this all happened within the space of about five minutes or less.

-snip-

Yeah that seems pretty dubious. "Just then a large UFO appeared". errr, ok, and what next? "Ill bet its extraterrestrial, said TinTin!"
 
BS story,you say? If so,someone (Paracast) should really tear Bill Knell a new one,because he's still telling the story - as of July 8th 2008.


If only..... It would be great, however I fear it may never happen :( We can dream though, oh yes, we can dream.

And sometimes dreams come true, right? I hear in some parts of the world, Santa comes 4 days late........
 
Pfft. No there isn't. If there were, we'd have him chopped up in a test tube, not allowing him to break in houses and eat people's cookies etc. The Easter Bunny is real though. :eek:

Ok, I didnt want to do this, but Im going to reveal who is on the show tomorrow.

I was told not to do this be Gene. I guessed it and PMd him and he said to keep it quiet. But I just cant do it any more...


The mystery guest is.... the one and only.... SANTA CLAUSE!!!

Ok, sorry Robert, lets get this thread back on track.
 
Ok, I didnt want to do this, but Im going to reveal who is on the show tomorrow.

I was told not to do this be Gene. I guessed it and PMd him and he said to keep it quiet. But I just cant do it any more...


The mystery guest is.... the one and only.... SANTA CLAUSE!!!

Ok, sorry Robert, lets get this thread back on track.

Ever notice Santa and Satan have the same letters?

Rudolph pooped a glowing turd in my yard once. I sold it on ebay to a horny christian for 500,000.

Thankfully we get to know who the mystery dolt is tonight.
 
Former Minuteman Launch Officer's UFO Account

Former Minuteman Launch Officer's UFO Story Posted Online

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The Incident

My first name is Bruce. I spent 20 years in the Air Force. The first nine years I served as an enlisted man and the last 11 as an officer. Initially I was very skeptical about all the “UFO nonsense.” In the fall of 1975 I was a Minuteman III Combat Crew commander on alert with my deputy “Sam” (a lieutenant who had prior enlisted service with TAC units). In order to stay awake that night we monitored radio communication between the topside NCOIC (“Sgt Jones”) and the cops - actually Security Alert Tem or SAT. They were on patrol near one of our 10 missile sites which was south about 9 or 10 miles from the Launch Control Facility or LCF.

Sometime around 2 A.M. we heard Sgt Jones ask the two cops to stop the vehicle , look around and report anything that the saw that looked unusual. He gave no hints about where to look or what to look for. The response at first was that they didn't see anything. Then a few seconds later, they reported in an excited voice that they saw a pulsating white thing in the sky. They could see flashing red and blue lights between the pulsations. Jones asked where they saw it. The cops responded that it was to the north about 10 miles and that it looked very close to the main capsule. Now fully awake, Sam and I looked at each other and wondered what was going on. I called Jones on the hot line between us and asked him about the conversation he just had with the SAT. He said that right now above the LCF (100 feet or so) was a white pulsating light with red and blue lights visible between the pulsations. He also said it was shaped like a “fat cigar” and appeared to be about 50 to 60 feet long. He was looking at it while we talked on the phone. Jones reported that it moved away.

Sgt Jones called back in a few minutes and said that it appeared to stop a few miles away - very close to one of the missile sites. We ordered the cops to that missile site but they had to return to the capsule for batteries for their flashlights and other equipment. When they finally headed towards the silo, the pulsating light moved away before they got there. Over the next couple of hours the pulsating light made stops very close to several more missile sites. Each time we tried to send the cops to the site in question. Each time the cops said they had car problems and/or other equipment problems and never actually made it to any of the sites. According to Jones, some time around 4:30 AM it “whooshed away” and turned into a white dot within a few seconds. The white dot stayed in the sky for a few more seconds and then totally disappeared.

While this was going on, during one of our communication checks with all the other launch control capsule commanders in our squadron we mentioned the object and received some chuckles and ridicule. Within a minute or so one of the other commanders called our capsule said that he was told by his topside crew that they had the same sort of lights over their missile sites earlier that night but didn't want to say anything about it in the communications check for fear of ridicule. He said that he had not and would not report the incident to headquarters – again for fear of ridicule. Sam and I reported it to SAC and Warren Control center right after that call and were laughed at and told to call back if it “ate the cops” we had sent to check it out, which of course did not happen as they never got close to the sites. Even though we were laughed at each time we called, we made sure that it was officially reported with about 3 or 4 more calls to the Control center. On the final call we insisted that they include it in their log or we would wake the base commander. I wish we had.

The next morning after our alert we were relieved by a new crew and went topside. Sgt Jones was there curled up in a chair. He was wide awake and still quite upset and scared about his experience. We spent some time talking to him and trying to calm him down. Under promise that we wouldn't report the SAT actions, Sgt Jones also told us that the cops (SAT) were scared to death last night and had decided they were not going to drive to any of the sites that had “that thing” over it under any circumstances. That explained all their vehicle and equipment problems. To this day I am convinced that Sgt Jones believed that he saw something very unusual that night and was sincere in his description of the activity. I did not see Sgt Jones again on any other alert duty.

At the next several crew departure meetings all outgoing crews were briefed that this event never officially happened and not to talk to anyone about it. I did not recognize the individual who briefed us at that departure meeting. As a serviceman who followed orders for 20 years I have had reservations about mentioning this incident.

However, in the past several years I have read about or seen on the Larry King TV show cases where similar incidents have been reported by former military members. A former Missile commander - Robert Salas especially comes to mind. Since skeptics appear to have challenged their integrity as well as their memory I think it is time for all of us that have been silent to talk about what we observed.

--Posted here by Robert Hastings, ufohastings.com
 
fascinating stuff,
of particular interest is the response of on crew leader who would not report the matter....... how did he know it wasnt a russian craft ?. why wouldnt you report anything that happens near these installations....

i think are is a fair bit of hidden reality to be found in these facets of the story... buggered if i know what though :D
 
Hi Mike,

The answer to your question is the PRP. As I explain in my book, UFOs and Nukes:

A second category of witnesses capable of providing information about ICBM-related UFO activity is comprised of those who decided at the outset to remain silent about their sighting, either because they doubted their own eyes, or their sanity, or they were concerned about the consequences. Anyone assigned to work with or around nuclear weapons is subject to a Department of Defense directive known as the Personnel Reliability Program (PRP). An individual whose conduct, on or off the job, is judged by his or her superiors to be suspect and, therefore, a potential threat to the weapons, is subject to possible psychological evaluation and risks being relieved of duty. In short, if one wishes to continue working with nuclear weapons while serving in the U.S. Air Force, reporting a UFO is definitely not a good career move. ffice:office" /><O:p></O:p>

A number of my sources, mostly former missile security police, but a few former missile maintenance and targeting personnel as well, have told me that immediately after observing a UFO, they made a deliberate decision not to inform their superiors about the incident, and had even coerced their co-workers into silence too. <O:p></O:p>

Consequently, the PRP regulation has had a chilling effect, in a great many cases, on those who might have otherwise candidly reported their observation of a UFO maneuvering near a nuclear missile site. Fortunately, the regulation has also had the unintended consequence of making available to researchers a number of sighting witnesses who can openly discuss their experiences because, by not reporting their sighting, they avoided being debriefed afterward and were, therefore, not formally sworn to secrecy about it.

--Robert Hastings
ufohastings.com
 
that is interesting, again because of the potential implications, if the brass know UFO's are real, then why would seeing one constitute unreliability in a serviceman/woman.
its a bit like saying birds are real, if you observe and report seeing a bird near a silo you'll be considered unreliable.

of course the obvious answer would be that the brass dont think UFO's are real.....that would fit.

but there seems to be some inherant contradiction in the scenario as described.

i also find it interesting that these individuals would put their personal "job security" over "national security"

perhaps it was a psych op to determine just that......

thanks again for the great data
 
Well, Mike, I am not going to be able to explain the complexities of the ongoing UFO activity in the missile fields in just a few posts. I am not suggesting that you buy my book, but at least read my lengthy article "UFO Sightings at ICBM Sites and Nuclear Weapons Storage Areas", on my Articles page at my website, ufohastings.com.

In short, a lot of what is going on is designed to make UFO incursions at ICBM sites into "non-events." One way to do this is the "need-to-know" principle, whereby the higher-ups only reveal to their underlings the bare minimum re: the ongoing situation, so that the overall secret can be maintained more effectively.

The message posted by the former launch officer at F.E. Warren AFB related to a 1975 incident. By that time, Strategic Air Command HQ had a full decade of such reports from missile personnel at almost every SAC base, including incidents of missiles being shutdown by UFOs (please read my article).

Therefore, you are incorrect in assuming that the top commanders' response to the incident at F.E. Warren in 1975 inferred that they didn't believe in UFOs. On the contrary, they and their superiors at the Pentagon had by that time ample evidence of UFO activity in the missile fields. So, what was/is going on is more of a poker-faced response to the lower ranks: "Thanks for your report. Don't talk about it because your PRP status may be pulled. 'Nuff said." Then the info quietly but quickly gets kicked upstairs to higher commands. The guys in the field are almost never given feedback after they report the UFOs near the missiles, or even a sense that their report was taken seriously.

Now, there are exceptions to this rule, more of a left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing, and so in some cases, the Air Force lets the cat out of the bag with persons who have no practical need to know about a given situation, but that is infrequent. Instead, what happens, sometimes, is that the missileers talk among themselves, guardedly, so the word spreads that way.

Now, off to watch the NFL championships. (I take it by your use of the word "buggered" that you are not a Yank.)

-Robert
 
Now, off to watch the NFL championships. (I take it by your use of the word "buggered" that you are not a Yank.)

-Robert

howboutdem cowboys eh?

no im from the land of Oz, the lucky country as we call it down under.


why do you think the brass want these events to be "non events", this is the core motivation im trying to unearth.
i watched a couple of larry king interviews yesterday,

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=273jcsMQu3M&NR=1


http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=8diJLo3mM_M&feature=related

interesting stuff
 
What really annoys me is that people would be ridiculed by their co-workers for saying they saw a UFO. Its just stupid. As if one of these guys is going to be joking around when they work at such a sensitive area. And why people wouldnt take something like a UFO report seriously just boggles my mind.
 
What really annoys me is that people would be ridiculed by their co-workers for saying they saw a UFO. Its just stupid. As if one of these guys is going to be joking around when they work at such a sensitive area. And why people wouldnt take something like a UFO report seriously just boggles my mind.

my family laughed at me. my girlfriend will not talk to anyone about what she saw. she will not even talk to me about what we saw together. she refuses to believe in her own mind what she experienced at fairly close proximity.

i have heard of other people refusing to believe what they saw with their own eyes.
 
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