Video Game Conspiracy Theories

[ProphetofOccam]

Yes, I understand that. Whoever invented them as an idea is funny to me. It won't work anymore t5han the standard targets in the "less likely to hesitate" department. It's a stupid concept, to me. It's silly.

 

[pixelsmith]

if they work or not isn't the point. the fact that they are training to fire on citizens is what concerns me.

 

[Muadib]

I am hoping Muadib and Lance can debunk this human target/1.6 billion hollow point purchase by DHS. I figured he would be all over this stuff.

What is there to debunk? The human target thing is easily explained, police train for ALL eventualities, if you pull a gun on a cop you probably should get your ass shot and it isn't just blacks, Mexicans and greasy white biker looking dudes (more traditional target models) that pull guns on cops. Why shouldn't they train for any scenario that may present itself?

The hollow point thing is just more dumb fear mongering by people who are waiting for the gubmint to kick their door in any day now for the last 30 years, kind of like the whole FEMA camp thing. I'm sure it's all part of the Illuminati plot to do... something.... y'know:

1. buy hollow point ammo

2.??????????????????

3. Profit!

Let's get real though, looking into this claim it seems like it's typical conspiracy theorist exaggeration at it again, for example 550 million of those bullets aren't going to be provided all at once, it's a contract to provide that many bullets over the course of 5 years and I'm sure if I looked up the rest of the contracts it would be the same thing. On top of that, DHS is not just one agency, they encompass many federal agencies and federal agencies go through ammunition, how many training centers does the federal government have to keep in ammunition? The answer is a lot. The real nonsense is that this purchase of ammunition could only be used for them gearing up to fight a war against its own citizens, there are dozens and dozens of scenarios where the federal government needs bullets, hollow points and regular, that has nothing to do with this imaginary war on American citizens. You claiming that you know different without any real evidence is why nobody buys this crap. People have been talking about this garbage for over 30 years, seriously, when is it going to happen? My guess is, never. What is this all powerful group waiting for?

 

[exo_doc]

*These products have been taken offline due to the opinions expressed by so many, including members of the law enforcement community.*

I may be an idealist, but I still think enough officers and agents will refuse to take part in such scenarios that any meaningful attempt at mass control through violence will be unfeasable.

 

[pixelsmith]

1. so if that mentality already exists why the detailed photo targets when a cheap silhouette will do the same thing?
2. so if this is all for target shooting why use hollow points instead of cheaper target rounds?
3. when we are in a poor economy using these far more expensive items seems absurd.
4. a real skeptic would be questioning these purchases as well.
5. how much do you get paid to be here?

 

[Muadib]

1. so if that mentality already exists why the detailed photo targets when a cheap silhouette will do the same thing?
2. so if this is all for target shooting why use hollow points instead of cheaper target rounds?
3. when we are in a poor economy using these far more expensive items seems absurd.
4. a real skeptic would be questioning these purchases as well.
5. how much do you get paid to be here?

1. Who is saying that a cheap silhouette will do? You? I've seen the targets my local police use and they aren't cheap silhouettes, they aren't photo realistic but they are realistic drawings of criminal looking men and women. This is simply the next step in their effort to train for every possible scenario, nothing more.

2 and 3: I'll let DHS speak for itself when it comes to ammo usage and keep in mind that buying in bulk often saves money, which is probably what they were trying to do in this situation:

The thing that this hoax ignores is that the vast majority of rounds fired are NOT fired at people. They are fired during training and practice. A DHS officer going through basic firearms training will fire over a thousand rounds. Officers are also required to qualify with their weapon every year accounting for a few hundred rounds, and will often go though additional firearms training programs, each of which can use over a thousand rounds.

As for 4 and 5, I did question the purchase and I found sufficient answers for my questions, only an idiot would assume that the only reason for these purchases has to be that they're going to start executing US citizens en masse. As for getting paid are you even serious right now? The only way someone could possibly disagree with your retarded conspiracy mongering is if they're paid right? Just answer me this, when is it going down? What's taking so long? Why has this been going on for 30 something years and yet not one war on America, not even a martial law test run. Give me a break Pixel. If you conspiracy theorists are so awake and aware, why are you constantly wrong? No martial law, no Amero, no gun grabs, no mass lockups in FEMA camps, no nothing, why are you guys always wrong if you're so right on?

 

[pixelsmith]

once again because you are not getting it. If a cop is going to shoot at anyone pointing a gun at them anyway..why the realistic targets? Shooting a very small target for accuracy would seem to be the better method of training.

Why hollow points for target shooting?

You are the only one who said ANYTHING about executing US citizens en masse.

No I was not serious about you getting paid... didn't you see the winky thingy?

You are the only one who said anything about martial law, the Amero, gun grabs, mass lockups in FEMA camps..
why are you being so defensive? relax dude.

 

[Muadib]

once again because you are not getting it. If a cop is going to shoot at anyone pointing a gun at them anyway..why the realistic targets? Shooting a very small target for accuracy would seem to be the better method of training.

Why hollow points for target shooting?

You are the only one who said ANYTHING about executing US citizens en masse.

No I was not serious about you getting paid... didn't you see the winky thingy?

You are the only one who said anything about martial law, the Amero, gun grabs, mass lockups in FEMA camps..
why are you being so defensive? relax dude.

Pixel, I can't answer every question you might have, I'm not a member of law enforcement and I'm not a member of DHS, I can't tell you exactly why they bought those specific targets, I can only give you my guess and I've done that. It makes sense that they would train for every potential situation and it also makes sense for them to look for every possible advantage, the advantage in this case probably being their thinking that practicing on realistic targets will help them respond better to situations in the field. Why not ask someone like Don, a former police officer, what he thinks about it?

As for the rest of it, if you aren't suggesting that it's part of some war on America conspiracy, what are you suggesting? What is your specific issue? Please don't pretend you haven't jabbered about things like the Amero before, I've seen it.

Here's an article about certain federal agencies responding to Infowars dumb speculation:

Agencies tamp down speculation over hollow-point ammo purchases

Published August 17, 2012
FoxNews.com

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Obscure federal agencies triggered a firestorm of conspiracy theories this week after they put out orders for thousands of rounds of deadly hollow-point bullets.
But the agencies, most recently the Social Security Administration, are trying to put a damper on the speculation -- noting the ammunition is "standard issue" and simply used for mandatory federal training sessions.
"Our special agents need to be armed and trained appropriately," said a message on the official blog for Social Security's inspector general office explaining the purchases.
The bullet purchases drew widespread attention as the website Infowars.com published several stories on them that were linked off the widely read Drudge Report and other sites. Infowars.com catalogued a string of recent purchases -- first by the Department of Homeland Security, then by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and then the Social Security Administration.
The Social Security Administration solicitation, posted Aug. 7, called for 174,000 rounds of ".357 Sig 125 grain bonded jacketed hollow point pistol ammunition."
Infowars.com speculated that the purchases were being made in preparation for "civil unrest," imagining a scenario of economic collapse where seniors could cause "disorder" if denied their Social Security benefits.
But the Social Security Administration statement, posted Thursday, noted that their agents need firearms and ammo in the course of training, investigations and responding to threats against offices and employees.
"As we said in a recent post, our office has criminal investigators, or special agents, who are responsible for investigating violations of the laws that govern SSA's programs," the office said.
The agency said it has 295 special agents across 66 offices in the country. "These investigators have full law enforcement authority, including executing search warrants and making arrests," the statement said.
As for concern about the type of bullets -- hollow points, which expand upon impact -- the statement said the type is "standard issue" and is used during "mandatory quarterly firearms qualifications and other training sessions."
The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, or NOAA, found itself scrambling to respond to a similar report this week about an order for 46,000 rounds of ammo. Though the agency initially indicated it was for the National Weather Service -- leading to questions about why the National Weather Service could possibly need so many bullets -- a spokesman clarified the bullets are actually meant for the NOAA Fisheries Office of Law Enforcement. A "clerical error" resulted in the order saying the ammo was for the weather service.
Spokesman Scott Smullen said the error's been fixed in the bidding system. He, too, said the ammo is "standard issue" and will be used by 63 enforcement personnel at NOAA during qualifications and training sessions.
"NOAA officers and agents enforce the nation's ocean and fishing laws to ensure a level playing field for fishermen and to protect marine species like whales, dolphins and turtles," he said.
According to NOAA, the specialized agents are supposed to have 200 rounds in their "duty bag," and qualification and training requires another 500-600 rounds per agent.

 

[exo_doc]

1. so if that mentality already exists why the detailed photo targets when a cheap silhouette will do the same thing?
2. so if this is all for target shooting why use hollow points instead of cheaper target rounds?
3. when we are in a poor economy using these far more expensive items seems absurd.
4. a real skeptic would be questioning these purchases as well.
5. how much do you get paid to be here?

About a buck 75 a day, Mr. Poopy-pants.
I agree buying a massive amount of ammunition, especially hollow points, is very suspicious and needs a thorough investigation.
I'm just not jumping on the "Evil DHS is out to keep the sheep in line" bandwagon. Not yet anyway.

IF something like that happens, I can guarentee without a doubt certain segments of the US Army would NOT stand for it, and I'm not talking just small pockets of unrest. The entire country would be thrown into a Civil War 2.0. And those assholes in Washington damn well know it.
What? Are they going to try and wipe out half the country?
I think you underestimate the American pissed-off factor by a lot.

 

[Muadib]

About a buck 75 a day, Mr. Poopy-pants.

I agree buying a massive amount of ammunition, especially hollow points, is very suspicious and needs a thorough investigation.

I don't get what is suspicious about this at all, it's a contract with an ammo company to provide that amount of ammunition over the course of 5 years. Buying in bulk saves money and on top of that the guy in the article I quoted says that this type of ammunition is standard issue for their agents. So, of course they are going to practice with what they use in the field, it wouldn't make sense for them to practice with ball ammunition when they're using hollow points in the field. What is suspicious about multiple federal agencies that use millions and millions of rounds per year just in training exercises (not to mention what they use in the field) stocking up on ammunition? Seems like business as usual to me.

It's a total non story, not to mention you have to consider the wacky source for this one, ie Infowars aka Alex "fear monger extraordinaire" Jones. They literally said in the article that DHS is doing this out of fear that senior citizens are going to rise up and cause massive social unrest when SSI gets cut off! Rofl! Never mind the fact that SSI hasn't been cut off and there has been no senior citizen uprising, but hey, why let the facts get in the way of a good conspiracy?

 

[exo_doc]

I don't get what is suspicious about this at all, it's a contract with an ammo company to provide that amount of ammunition over the course of 5 years. Buying in bulk saves money and on top of that the guy in the article I quoted says that this type of ammunition is standard issue for their agents. So, of course they are going to practice with what they use in the field, it wouldn't make sense for them to practice with ball ammunition when they're using hollow points in the field. What is suspicious about multiple federal agencies that use millions and millions of rounds per year just in training exercises (not to mention what they use in the field) stocking up on ammunition? Seems like business as usual to me.

It's a total non story, not to mention you have to consider the wacky source for this one, ie Infowars aka Alex "fear monger extraordinaire" Jones. They literally said in the article that DHS is doing this out of fear that senior citizens are going to rise up and cause massive social unrest when SSI gets cut off! Rofl! Never mind the fact that SSI hasn't been cut off and there has been no senior citizen uprising, but hey, why let the facts get in the way of a good conspiracy?

Arg.... You're killing my conspiracy buzz Muadib! Quit it.