What if YOU were the government??

[Trajanus]

Could there be a motive to make them seem more credible?

Maintain US leadership. Actually the extent of testimony concerning US cases is unsurpasssed.

 

[Ezechiel]

If you are considered a super power, I'd keep it quiet. You're not a super power if you have to admit to a power greater than yourself.

If you're not a super power, I'd also keep it quiet. You don't want to admit that your airspace was violated without you being able to do anything about it.

Pride, status, vanity... preserving an artificial sense of security and stability as you spin around an average size star.

Until we're faced with a global menace from ET's, I wouldn't expect any shock and awe revelation. Meanwhile they can come and go, sample, abduct, mutilate at their will

 

[Rudolf Steiner]

If you are considered a super power, I'd keep it quiet. You're not a super power if you have to admit to a power greater than yourself.

If you're not a super power, I'd also keep it quiet. You don't want to admit that your airspace was violated without you being able to do anything about it.

Pride, status, vanity... preserving an artificial sense of security and stability as you spin around an average size star.

Until we're faced with a global menace from ET's, I wouldn't expect any shock and awe revelation. Meanwhile they can come and go, sample, abduct, mutilate at their will

It was a deadly face, IT CAME FROM OUTER SPACE!

As I already state, even the Vatican oficial astronomer admit that maybe there's life out there, so chill down the misantrhopy. At the beggining maybe could be some turmoil, but later, all would back to be as always was. Even more, some debunker I know would lose their jobs.

 

[Trajanus]

even the Vatican oficial astronomer admit that maybe there's life out there

Still a far cry from stating or proving definitively that it's here.

At the beggining maybe could be some turmoil, but later, all would back to be as always was.

Much earth history suggests otherwise. Primitive cultures have been deeply affected when contacted by advanced ones.

 

[Rudolf Steiner]

Still a far cry from stating or proving definitively that it's here.



Much earth history suggests otherwise. Primitive cultures have been deeply affected when contacted by advanced ones.

We both saw that Discovery Channel show, I see. I wasn't stating a probe about their presence, I'm saying that people aren't going to go crazy a start looting and riots, your idea of people behavior is so limited.

 

[Ezechiel]

We both saw that Discovery Channel show, I see. I wasn't stating a probe about their presence, I'm saying that people aren't going to go crazy a start looting and riots, your idea of people behavior is so limited.

IMHO, ultimate proof of the presence of life forms from other planets on earth would have a major and irreversible impact (micro to macro).

At the micro level, insecurities concerning new foreign microbial organisms, their evolution and interraction with those of our biosphere. Remember the smallpox outbreak...etc. that ravaged native populations in the americas when the ships came in. (War of the worlds .... but in reverse)

At the macro level, the 'in your face' shattering of centrist belief systems and the insecurities concerning ET intent.

The feeling of loss of control over our destiny and evolutionary path as a civilization.

Looting and riots ?.... I don't see what would prevent them. The illusion of control and security is what makes us tick. Why develop new systems when somebody else already has better stuff... we immediately become sub-serviant.

 

[Rudolf Steiner]

Okay, okay, I get it, we are doomed, we are stupid. Yeah.

 

[Trajanus]

At the macro level, the 'in your face' shattering of centrist belief systems and the insecurities concerning ET intent.

IMO the principal reasons for the coverup. I don't know about looting and riots, but of course the impact would be profound.

 

[Ezechiel]

IMO the principal reasons for the coverup. I don't know about looting and riots, but of course the impact would be profound.

Its a bit like a race ... You have to be the first out there to win. There's only one spermatozoid that can fertilize the egg. If we're not the first civilization that expands to other solar systems, others will come in and dominate

The analogy of american natives is a good one, our civilization could suffer the same fate should more advanced foreign entities decide to migrate here. Hopefully they'll have empathy and will have developed some vaccines for us (against their germs) before they send us to reservations.

 

[Trajanus]

Hopefully they'll have empathy and will have developed some vaccines for us (against their germs)

Considering the number of humanoids reported walking outside craft over many years, you'd think they must have taken precautions already. Not necessarily for our benefit; maybe for the sake of a hybrid fifth column.

before they send us to reserves.

Reservations.

 

[Ezechiel]

Okay, okay, I get it, we are doomed, we are stupid. Yeah.

You're not doomed... if you win the galactic evolution rat race

 

[Drew UK]

Ah, the human cocentric bias - that the reasoning applied to this debate is underlined through popular science fiction - that the earthling will discover another earthling dressed up in alien costume - with the same motives, feelings and biological capabilities - need to stop comparing apples with oranges.

Firstly; on biology and infection.
This is not a human-human interaction - so all the arguments based on advanced and unadvanced relating to our recent history must be disposed of. We discover new species all the time without contracting contagious diseases. Bacteria are most succesful (and do most harm) in reproducing and developing in species that are compatable and selective with them - try giving a jelly fish the common cold.

Secondly; on riots and our perception.
Most people already are largely at the perception of advanced beings being present in the skies, historically people worshipped and believed without question of advanced beings - this is nothing new, and that since our beliefs would not precipate a universal encounter and spontaneous intergalactic adventures (our perception would remain static) - its business as usual and the great majority of the public would recognise it.
The only thing, that might change - is that we stop wasting time and continously being distracted on this subject and work harder to become a part of it.

Thirdly; on technological adversity and power.
Our little world of which we occupy less than 25%, surrounded by a mutiple of 10 planets; surrounded by hundreds of thousands of stars in our galaxy; surrounded by hundreds of thousands of galaxies "and dimensions"..etc.

Alternatively, shrink yourself down to an wasp and play queenie in the wasp's nest - does it really make you think your so important to have all them entities working underneath you? Would you put it on your resume?

Our technology seems advanced to us, not unreasonable - but now I have put it into perspective, it's not a race - that requires some form of competition - we will be classified at our level, we can advance but we will never go above it or below it - retaining our homo sapien morphology and biology as we currently have. We can evolve, but what we evolve into will not be us.

 

[Rudolf Steiner]

Punny little Humans
By the way, I agree that if someday we make contact with aliens, they are going to have a diferent mindset, a diferent approach to life as we have.

 

[Christopher O'Brien]

Punny little Humans
By the way, I agree that if someday we make contact with aliens, they are going to have a diferent mindset, a diferent approach to life as we have.

I appreciate Terence McKenna's observation that the most logical candidate for a potentially-present alien species on our planet are psychedelic mushrooms and/or other psychoactive shamanic substances. Think about it: able to survive the vacuum of space, boomer mushroom spores could have been seeded here 100's of thousands of years ago to spark lower primates into higher-consciousness and then slowly, over time, worm the effect of their presence/programming into the psyche of the collective. Possibly/ultimately this would be to ensure some sort of dampened response to outside closed system (ET?) stimuli when "ETs" finally decide to grace us (or doom us) with their undeniable presence.

 

[Ezechiel]

Think about it: able to survive the vacuum of space, boomer mushroom spores could have been seeded here 100's of thousands of years ago to spark lower primates into higher-consciousness and then slowly, over time, worm the effect of their presence/programming into the psyche of the collective. Possibly/ultimately this would be to ensure some sort of dampened response to outside closed system (ET?) stimuli when "ETs" finally decide to grace us (or doom us) with their undeniable presence.

Makes sense.. transpermia... thus insuring a common beginning for life and emergence of sentient life. In effect making us potentially vulnerable to foreign viruses. If a foreign oxygen-breathing entity interested in earth shows up, there is a good chance we may have more than a few things in common.

I have a hard time imagining sentience emerging in a heavy methane environment.... but who knows (Perhaps they have no nose LOL).

 

[Ezechiel]

Alternatively, shrink yourself down to an wasp and play queenie in the wasp's nest - does it really make you think your so important to have all them entities working underneath you? Would you put it on your resume?

From an ET perspective, threat assessment makes more sense than enslavement of foreign races.

If you have the means to probe your galactic sector , be informed of competing races... you are able to prepare yourself and insure the survival of your race.

That is more likely the scenario for an ET agenda. And that is our agenda, why send out Kepler telescopes or build Allen radio telescope arrays. Information is power

 

[Rudolf Steiner]

Panspermia for the Win

 

[Trajanus]

By the way, I agree that if someday we make contact with aliens, they are going to have a diferent mindset, a diferent approach to life as we have.

In some ways yes but if ETs are here I'd assume considerable basic similiarity. In order to get here they'd have to value rationality and progress, much as we do.

 

[Trajanus]

I have a hard time imagining sentience emerging in a heavy methane environment.... but who knows

Have any artificial radio signals been detected from solar system jovians or extrasolar ones? AFAIK all indications are that earthlike conditions are a must for habilitability.

 

[Trajanus]

why send out Kepler telescopes or build Allen radio telescope arrays.

Some say if ETs are here, there'd be no need to search for them elsewhere. But it would still be interesting to discover where they're from.