What personalities in the Ufo field drive you nuts?

[TClaeys]

Some people, I simply cannot stand because what they're saying is the same tired crap that the baby boomer generation deposited into the field of UFOlogy with their uniting the world, prevent global warming, and every other communist lie they wanted to propagate. Any time you have someone selling you the nonsense about Global Warming, or progressive politics ie, Socialism and Communism, or that other One Worlder Bullshit, it's a lie.

I thought that this thread was about ufology and the ridiculous mindsets involved.

Attaching all this other stuff is opening up many new threads(which is fine). I don't know what "nonsense" you are talking about concerning GW, but if you are insinuating that we don't play a part in affecting our environment (however much), then yes, I suppose that would be nonsense. But, as I've said, that is another thread.

 

[Tommy Allison]

I'm sorry to have taken this topic off task.

My apologies.

 

[devan]

Vaeni -- I had never read any of his stuff, seen his videos or even heard him on the radio before that awful C2C performance. So I was completely objective prior to the interview, which was going nowhere. The incessant laughing grated my nerves until I couldn't take it any more and turned it off (right after the "angel" question). Wanna know why ufology isn't taken seriously? Take a look at the butt-face and alien two-step videos as a start. Maybe he's a disinfo agent.

LMH - She actually comes across some good info, but loses credibility by appearing to believe every crackpot out there.

 

[macavity]

Disagree about Vaeni. I haven't heard the C2C episode but I usually enjoy his Culture of Contact and Book of Thoth podcasts. Seems like he's got a sense of humour which goes a long way in my book...

 

[schticknz]

Disagree about Vaeni. I haven't heard the C2C episode but I usually enjoy his Culture of Contact and Book of Thoth podcasts. Seems like he's got a sense of humour which goes a long way in my book...

Totally agree about Sir The Clueless One. His latest podcast at the UFO conference is absolutely hilarious ... especially the bit around Lynne Kitei's singing performance. Top flight entertainment. The whole thing is incredibly damning of the ufo movement, and terribly funny stuff. Give them enough rope, and they'll hang themselves ... as Sir Jeremy proves.

 

[Rick Deckard]

If you're in the field making money off of books and videos, you're part of the problem, not part of the truth.

I sort of agree with you there - however I've come to accept that if you want 'civilians' to investigate 'stuff' (and I'm not suggesting that this is an ideal way to go) then they've got to pay the bills some how.

So, yeah, if you make up a story and try to sell to the highest bidder, then I don't want to know you, but if you're following a sensible line of enquiry and you need to cover your expenses by putting your 'findings' into a book or video, then that's fine by me.

I suppose what I'm really against are the promoters of 'sensationalism' for profit.

 

[Seth]

Vaeni -- I had never read any of his stuff, seen his videos or even heard him on the radio before that awful C2C performance. So I was completely objective prior to the interview, which was going nowhere. The incessant laughing grated my nerves until I couldn't take it any more and turned it off (right after the "angel" question). Wanna know why ufology isn't taken seriously? Take a look at the butt-face and alien two-step videos as a start. Maybe he's a disinfo agent.

LMH - She actually comes across some good info, but loses credibility by appearing to believe every crackpot out there.

Disagree about Vaeni. I haven't heard the C2C episode but I usually enjoy his Culture of Contact and Book of Thoth podcasts. Seems like he's got a sense of humour which goes a long way in my book...

Totally agree about Sir The Clueless One. His latest podcast at the UFO conference is absolutely hilarious ... especially the bit around Lynne Kitei's singing performance. Top flight entertainment. The whole thing is incredibly damning of the ufo movement, and terribly funny stuff. Give them enough rope, and they'll hang themselves ... as Sir Jeremy proves.

Going on record to 3rd macavity and schticknz remarks. You need to check out Vaeni’s stuff and give him a chance. It is quite deep. It is possible to be truthful and zany at the same time.

(Vaeni is so clever though, that I wonder if he’ll jump out one day and say “Ha! You losers believed me! I was joking the whole time!!!”)

 

[valiens]

Vaeni -- I had never read any of his stuff, seen his videos or even heard him on the radio before that awful C2C performance. So I was completely objective prior to the interview, which was going nowhere. The incessant laughing grated my nerves until I couldn't take it any more and turned it off (right after the "angel" question). Wanna know why ufology isn't taken seriously? Take a look at the butt-face and alien two-step videos as a start. Maybe he's a disinfo agent.

LMH - She actually comes across some good info, but loses credibility by appearing to believe every crackpot out there.

Disagree about Vaeni. I haven't heard the C2C episode but I usually enjoy his Culture of Contact and Book of Thoth podcasts. Seems like he's got a sense of humour which goes a long way in my book...

Totally agree about Sir The Clueless One. His latest podcast at the UFO conference is absolutely hilarious ... especially the bit around Lynne Kitei's singing performance. Top flight entertainment. The whole thing is incredibly damning of the ufo movement, and terribly funny stuff. Give them enough rope, and they'll hang themselves ... as Sir Jeremy proves.

Going on record to 3rd macavity and schticknz remarks. You need to check out Vaeni’s stuff and give him a chance. It is quite deep. It is possible to be truthful and zany at the same time.

(Vaeni is so clever though, that I wonder if he’ll jump out one day and say “Ha! You losers believed me! I was joking the whole time!!!”)

I've said it before and I'll say it again: The only way I'll ever make money in this "business" is if I go under hypnosis, find nothing, and then write a book about how I deluded myself. Plus it would make for a fine end to a trilogy.

Mainly, though, I agree with Devan. I am pretty awful and will be the downfall of this fine young science we call "ufology."

Can't agree that I've got the face of a tush. YES, completely awful hair in that video and let's face it--fat guy doing ANYTHING on camera is gonna look like shit, let alone a possessed jazzercise routine. I believe I apologize for it in the voice over. Mainly, Devan, you should be paying attention to that computer monitor. Assuming I'm not a disinfo agent for a sec, how do you explain the huge, sustained leap in total brain activity from doing those embarrassing movements? According to Masahiro Kahata, the dude administering the test, it does sustain my claim that I'm not the one doing them (consciously).

 

[Tommy Allison]

To quote an e-mail I was sent...

"The group doesn't think it looks Alien Enough."

Give you all a few guesses as to where it came from.

 

[Capnkumquat]

I remember an old episode of Hill Street Blues when they put a homeless man on the stand during a murder trial. He gave the most vivid, believable, and powerful testimony swaying each and every juror to believe his testimony. Then as the prosecutor turned around and walked away in satisfaction, the brilliant witness stripped off his clothes and began yelling..."I'M BUCK NEKID! I'M BUCK NEKID!"

So many of the people in the paranormal field seem to be like this. So believable until they flip out with wild claims and clearly delusional thinking, throwing every bit of good evidence out the window with the bad...I hate that.

Unfortunately, that seems to be par for the course.

 

[Tommy Allison]

Yep. I have another one where this particular researcher tells me he can't talk to me because an MIB beat up his secretary.

Oh, the true tales I could tell about some of these clowns.

 

[David Biedny]

ArizonaWill,

If there was a "Best Post in Thread" award, that post would win it in a heartbeat.

Outstanding! I laughed, I cried, I saw the baby Jesus eating a kangaroo sandwich.

If we ever get Paracast merchandise, I'll buy you a hat.

dB

 

[Seth]

ArizonaWill:

That said it all!!! Accolades on an analysis well played and spoken!

 

[Gene Steinberg]

ArizonaWill: Happy to have you as a neighbor. Made my day.

 

[grannysmith]

"Derrel Sims - claims to be the John Wayne of UFO research, able to catch a hummingbird in his fist as it flies innocently past him. Supposedly has all these implants that defy science, and has a glass window pane with alien hand prints imbedded within. Yet why isn't this shaking up the UFO world? Derrel is usually the hero of all his stories. Of course, being really tough (sort of a Chuck Morris Texas Ranger), he taught his alien abductors a lesson they will never forget when he was a teenager, and kicked alien butt!

There is, apparently, no such thing as evolution : there are just aliens that Derrel Sims allows to exist (etc etc).

 

[Ally]

Great post ArizonaWill !
Not that it really matters but the white guy who plays and Indian lives in Washington State very close to the Oregon border.


Peter Davenport drives me nuts. Anyone that is strickly nuts and bolts and can not or will not venture out of that mindset after years of research into the subject has a shut and closed mind.

Donald Ware looked and acted like a Robot while preaching the NWO at a conference. It was quite creapy!

Steven Greer because he just a con. The last time I heard him speak he only had a few months to live. He looked quite healthy and I knew it was bull shit.

 

[Rick Deckard]

Then there was the Hale Bopp “Companion”, considered to be a spaceship. This spaceship promotion by Art Bell was used as leverage by the Heaven’s Gate Cult leader to convince his flock to join the “Mothership” by committing mass suicide, thereby really screwing up property values in the exclusive Marina Del Rey area of San Diego.

I shouldn't say this, but the phrase "cleansing the gene pool" comes to mind. When the one-armed-swiss-farmer is on his death-bed and tells his followers that he's going to be beamed up, it'll be interesting to see if any of them decide to follow him...

...I'm sure some of the people on here will be crossing their fingers.

Ed Dames – OK, this guy is not (thank God) a ufo researcher. Yet he made a bizarre remote viewing prediction in 1998 (before remoting viewing Satan) with his promoter Art Bell, claiming that aliens would be seduced to land (like flies on sugar?) if we would simply put a defenseless mother and child out along in the desert. I may have missed the metaphysical underpinnings to all this, but believe it had something to do with mother love superseding all other love. Since aliens seem more interested in our bodies than our Mothers Day celebrations, I tend to think this is a dangerous idea. Oh, Great! Now I have the old song “Mother and Child Reunion” (Simon and Garfunkel?) playing on my mental YOUTUBE. Thanks, Ed.

That's the plot to this film (well, not the desert aspect) <-- SPOILER WARNING: clicking this link (IMDB) may ruin a film for you as I've just told you the key plot point. WHAT a dilemma - shall I click, shall I not?

 

[digigeek]

Thank everyone for being so kind to me in this thread. I feel so welcome in the forum I could just squeak (well, my knee bones do creak when I get up so...).

Great post (both times).

2. Linda Moulton Howe – First of all, I can’t stand her voice. There isn’t much she can do about this, although she could feign a deeper

Linda Moldy Horse....argh!!!!! When I first heard her on Mysterious Universe I was completely flabbergasted by her. She's such an annoying paradox. On the one hand, she plays her "Respected, Emmy winning journalist" card, while on the other she seems to buy any load of crap anyone dumps at her door without any questioning. Argh!!!

5. Ingo Swann – He is a world class psychic and remote viewer. In his book PENETRATION, he relates his truly bizarre alien interactions, e.g., seeing this really hot mama in a LA supermarket and knowing she was an alien in disguise! (US secret agents were tailing her - who wouldn't?) ...Wake up, Ingo!

I swear, if I get started on remote viewing, I'm going to pop an artery - perhaps I'll get lucky and bleed all over Ingo's BS and spare the rest of the world from having to read it.

Let me try to express my overall view of the "basic" current crop of UFO (and even paranormal) investigators.

In general, I find that noone seems to be able to simply do the following:

• Stay on topic
• Just ASK people if they can prove their claims (John here says he saw the UFO right there - then NO more talking about John ever - no asking John what he saw, what time of day, his background, anyone else see it - you know, the bloody obvious stuff)
• Work methodically, one thing at a time
• COMMUNICATE effectively
• Accept results counter to their beliefs
• Make people prove their credentials
• Build simple matrices of the acquired data and store it all in a shared repository for analysis

Oh hell, I'm becoming Stewie....

 

[Koji K.]

Stan Friedman.

You know, he's great. He's a trooper, he really is, we need more people like him out there on the front lines.

But that's why he annoys me most of all, because he's so close to being the "perfect" frontrunner, yet he's so damn entrenched in his "nuts and bolts" view.

And his background as a nuclear physicist, I have to ask, so what? If the UFO's ran on nuclear power, then I can see where that would come in handy. It's certainly proof that he is intelligent and capable of working in the "real world," but at the same time combined with his entrenchment on certain issues I think it's part of what shackles him.

Hard sciences have a contribution to make to ufology, but they're not the be-all and end-all of valid approaches. We need philosophers (metaphysicians, phenomenologists, ontologists, and so on), psychologists, sociologists, historians, media people, intel analysts, artists and other creative/sensitive types, a list could go on forever. The scientific approach is not necessarily the best way to approach things here, and Stan is sort of my effigy for my frustration with that, I guess.

Sorry, Stan!

 

[Siani]

To be fair to Stan Friedman, I've heard him say, I think it was on Tim Binnall's show, that he doesn't discount that some UFOs may have a paranormal origin. However, he qualified that statement by saying that as a scientist, he's not interested in the paranormal ones, only the tangible, nuts and bolts craft. I don't think he's as entrenched as some would imagine - he's just chosen to concentrate on one specific aspect of the phenomenon. In all fields, we have generalists and specialists, and I guess this is also true of ufology.