Whats the typical view of chem trails around here?

[pixelsmith]

Schuyler. Thanks for the voice of reason.

Pixel, I have some things going on personally right now that have me on a short fuse. Replying to your posts was an easy vent.

I've still got you on ignore because I don't want to boil over again. But, I have removed the unwarranted and childish names and statements in my earlier posts to you. My apologies.

apology accepted of course. i know you are a good person. no worries there. btw- i have plenty of my own shit i am going thru. this place is my hiding place from my current reality.

it confuses me that you can accept without proof many other things posted on this forum yet i have to provide proof of what i post.

 

[bobheck]

thanks for not resorting to childish name calling. i agree with your post for the most part. we are all communicating on a forum dealing with paranormal situations and observations of strange objects. i cannot provide proof for my claims any more than dB can provide proof of his observations. yet i believe dB as well as many others here. i do not call them names or demand proof or suggest they are delusional. what makes my observations of chemtrails any different?

Ok I took you off of my ignore list, thinking that was out of line also.

What is different is that DB and Cornet, as well as many others, simply report what they see and don't extrapolate.

We all see contrails. Big deal. We know that contrails are a natural occurrence with jet engines. I have even witnessed, and explained on this forum, how the checker patterns are created with jets, quite naturally.

You see contrails too. Ok, fine.

But, then you make this incredible leap that those contrails must be 'chemtrails' that are being sprayed by an unknown nefarious group known only as 'they' and that 'they' are preparing us to be killed by a later 'distribution' of swine flu.

You don't see the disconnect there?

If Cornet thought the way you did, he would have concluded that the lights that he saw were here for one reason, they were beaming a secret ray into him so he would grow a sixth digit on each hand, or some other ridiculous nonsense.

And, I do not easily believe others when outlandish claims are made. Quite the contrary. Look at my posts dealing with Nancy Talbott, Ray Stanford and Bill Knell. Those are people that observed some things, then went way beyond just observing, making fantastic claims about them in an ongoing fashion, with little to back those claims up. THAT is what I can't accept and the stuff I want to see proof of.

 

[pixelsmith]

But, then you make this incredible leap that those contrails must be 'chemtrails' that are being sprayed by an unknown nefarious group known only as 'they' and that 'they' are preparing us to be killed by a later 'distribution' of swine flu.

not all contrails are chemtrails. i have seen and somewhere have photos of a normal commercial jet leaving a normal contrail that disappears in 20 -30 seconds, it is flying next to a chemtrail that stretches from one horizon to the other and expands into a very wide cloud that does not dissipate. i have also seen aircraft creating circles in the sky, not your typical flight path of a commercial airliner. the photo below was not taken by me.

 

[Jose Collado]

...and again, STILL no scientific evidence. Your "observation" is just that, an observation. The reason your "proof" isn't accepted is because contrails exist. They have documentation supporting their existence. They have support from employees of aerospace technology industries, engineers, scientists and meteorologists. They are backed by physics. Show me where "chemtrails" have equal valid support.

Dissipation of contrails in 20 to 30 seconds is a false assumption. Any meteorologist will tell you that.

So...again, proof...got some?

 

[bobheck]

not all contrails are chemtrails. i have seen and somewhere have photos of a normal commercial jet leaving a normal contrail that disappears in 20 -30 seconds, it is flying next to a chemtrail that stretches from one horizon to the other and expands into a very wide cloud that does not dissipate. i have also seen aircraft creating circles in the sky, not your typical flight path of a commercial airliner. the photo below was not taken by me.

Pretty picture (cool circles). Soooooo, circles = death from above???? Now how did you make THAT leap?

And, there is no way contrails always disappear in 20-30 seconds. I sat and WATCHED them personally stay for well over an hour. I saw that with my own eyes.

 

[pixelsmith]

nope, i still do not have proof jose. never will either. i bet you can't prove everything you believe in either.

 

[CapnG]

nope, i still do not have proof jose. never will either. i bet you can't prove everything you believe in either.

But... man... I know I'm repeating myself but it has to be said, it's not a "belief"!

Christianity is a belief.
The reality of alien lifeforms is a belief.
That it cannot, in fact, be butter is a belief.

Chemtrails (if they're real) are actual, physical chemical compounds being dispersed in the atmosphere. If they exist then their existence is provable. No amount of belief/disbelief changes that.

 

[Jose Collado]

nope, i still do not have proof jose. never will either. i bet you can't prove everything you believe in either.

There is nothing wrong with belief. There's a lot wrong with claiming you have proof or facts which you obviously can't produce. You've claimed this many times. I'm happy to accept "chemtrails" if anyone could actually present credible, undeniable, supportive evidence. You requested a debate on other posts but it seems you're only willing to debate on your terms. Now all I read is you bantering about contrails at any given opportunity. To use your own words, "Painted yourself into a corner" springs to mind.

The only thing I'm certain at this point about chemtrails is they exist as a term used by crop dusting companies for the low flight trail they leave behind. Which, incidentally, dissipates in seconds. Anything other than that is speculative.