Whats the typical view of chem trails around here?

[pixelsmith]

I really dig some of Beck's work. I hope he shakes off those Scientologists like the parasites they are.
And, hey...Jose, chemtrails do exist. I've seen'em well enough that your scepticism sounds like someone trying to tell me the grass isn't green.
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chemtrails are thick as hell around here for the last few days. total checkerboard sky. they are not in normal flight paths and they expand into a complete coverage of the sky by afternoon. i suspect they are trying to lower our resistance for the forth coming swine/bird flu they will release on us this fall.

jose is a total disinfo kind of guy. or... he is just plain... oh never mind. i aint gettin banned for the 3rd time cuz of him.

 

[bobheck]

chemtrails are thick as hell around here for the last few days. total checkerboard sky. they are not in normal flight paths and they expand into a complete coverage of the sky by afternoon. i suspect they are trying to lower our resistance for the forth coming swine/bird flu they will release on us this fall.

Would you listen to yourself?

Do you think the air is still at the altitudes where 'chem trails' are seen? Just two perpendicular flight paths, a jet on each leaving a contrail every 30 minutes (not unlikely). The prevailing winds move the contrail from the flight path, then another jet comes by and does the same thing. In a few hours you have a checkerboard pattern.

That's more than likely all this is.

I am not saying that they don't put some chemicals in the air to try to seed clouds once in a while, but trying to lower your resistance to a flu 'they' are going to release on you? Get a grip, Chicken Little.

 

[pixelsmith]

Would you listen to yourself?

Do you think the air is still at the altitudes where 'chem trails' are seen? Just two perpendicular flight paths, a jet on each leaving a contrail every 30 minutes (not unlikely). The prevailing winds move the contrail from the flight path, then another jet comes by and does the same thing. In a few hours you have a checkerboard pattern.

That's more than likely all this is.

I am not saying that they don't put some chemicals in the air to try to seed clouds once in a while, but trying to lower your resistance to a flu 'they' are going to release on you? Get a grip, Chicken Little.

9+ years of research and photos would indicate otherwise. not to mention information from a commercial pilot friend verifying my observations. "sky spiders" are a common sight to pilots.

i respect your research, please respect mine.

 

[bobheck]

9+ years of research and photos would indicate otherwise. not to mention information from a commercial pilot friend verifying my observations. "sky spiders" are a common sight to pilots.

i respect your research, please respect mine.

Ok in all seriousness,

What research led you to believe 'they' want to lower your resistance to the flu?

What research led you to believe 'they' are going to knowingly infect the populace with the flu?

Just who are they?

 

[pixelsmith]

Ok in all seriousness,

What research led you to believe 'they' want to lower your resistance to the flu?

What research led you to believe 'they' are going to knowingly infect the populace with the flu?

Just who are they?

i am ready to leave my studio soon. maybe i can answer in depth from home.
Barium and Aluminum are the primary chemicals found in chemtrails. both can cause severe health problems includin gchronic bronchitis, emphysema, heart disease, immune deficiency, alzheimer's and a bunch of other crap.

here is a list of chemicals found in a sampling around the Phoenix area.

cadmium is 126x the toxic limit,
chromium is 282x the toxic limit and
nickel is 169x the toxic limit.
aluminum is a stagg 6,400x the toxic limit,
iron is 28,000x the toxic limit,
magnesium is 5.3x the toxic limit,
potassium is 793x the toxic limit and
sodium is 15.9x the toxic limit
barium is 278x the toxic limit,
copper is 98x the toxic limit,
manganese is a staggering
5,820x the toxic limit
zinc is 593x the toxic limit

as to WHY? you will have to decide for yourself like i did after 9 years of research.
it breaks down to 3 possible reasons. i believe all 3 are plausible.

1. weather modification, we have been doing this for years.

2. population control, biological agents used against people is a historical FACT.

3. inoculation program, it is know thru CFR documents that a decrease of as much as 80-90% of the world population is needed. lower the resistance of the population, then disperse a man made virus such as swine/bird flu, then "save" the masses with infected "vaccines".

Problem, Reaction, Solution.

scoff if you will. just do not take the vaccine.

 

[Schuyler]

3. inoculation program, it is know thru CFR documents that a decrease of as much as 80-90% of the world population is needed. lower the resistance of the population, then disperse a man made virus such as swine/bird flu, then "save" the masses with infected "vaccines".

And there you have a perfect summary of Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six, an exellent novel, btw.

Where were these toxicology measurements taken? Were they soil samples or air samples or what? Do you have a reference to cite?

 

[pixelsmith]

And there you have a perfect summary of Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six, an exellent novel, btw.

Where were these toxicology measurements taken? Were they soil samples or air samples or what? Do you have a reference to cite?

note that i do not believe everything i read on Rense, but it explains the data collection procedures used in this specific example.
http://www.rense.com/general82/chemit.htm

this site has a lot of interesting information. Chemtrails 911 - Exposing aerial crimes and aerosol operations,because it's an emergency!

 

[pixelsmith]

a little more information before i have to go home...
Chemtrails 911 - Exposing aerial crimes and aerosol operations,because it's an emergency!

Wyoming’s Weather Modification Cloud Seeding Experiment May Contribute to Emerging Infectious Disease

"Weather Modification, Inc., Weather Modification, Inc. (Cloud Seeding, atmospheric research, rain enhancement, cloud physics) has undertaken a five-year weather modification study in conjunction with the National Center for Atmospheric Research to spray chemicals over Wyoming. They are "experimenting with silver iodide in southern Wyoming's Sierra Madre and Medicine Bow ranges", reports USA Today. Last year alone they dropped "23.5 pounds of silver iodide during airplane flights over the western slope of the Wind River Range" in Wyoming. (1)

Medicine Bow, Wyoming is near the tri-corner area of Colorado,
Wyoming, and Nebraska. For the past several years it has been subjected to a chemical attacks; a 9 million dollar cloud seeding experiment. (2)

Chronic wasting disease among free-ranging deer and elk by county, United States. Cloud seeding mixtures uses several ingredients to name one; Silver. "High levels of Silver (Ag), Barium (Ba) and Strontium (Sr) and low levels of copper (Cu) have been measured in the antlers [of deer and elk], soils and pastures of the deer that are thriving in the chronic wasting disease (CWD) cluster zones in North America" Is it a coincidence that "Chronic wasting disease (CWD) of deer and elk is endemic in a tri-corner area of Colorado, Wyoming, and Nebraska"? (3)

The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) categorizes CWD as an "Emerging Infectious Disease" with "Potential Transmission to Humans". (4)

Researchers contribute the high level of Ag, Ba and Sr in animals and soil to aerial spraying. "The elevations of Ag, Ba and Sr were thought to originate from both natural geochemical and artificial pollutant sources--stemming from the common practice of aerial spraying with 'cloud seeding' Ag or Ba crystal nuclei for rain making in these drought prone areas of North America, the atmospheric spraying with Ba based aerosols for enhancing/refracting radar and radio signal communications." (5)



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(1,2) First winter of cloud seeding flights - USATODAY.com

(3,5)Elevated silver, barium and strontium in antlers, ...[Med Hypotheses. 2004] - PubMed Result
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(4) CDC - Chronic Wasting Disease and Potential Transmission to Humans

 

[Schuyler]

note that i do not believe everything i read on Rense, but it explains the data collection procedures used in this specific example.
http://www.rense.com/general82/chemit.htm

Intersting. Thanks. The only thing that bothers me about it is that the person providing the information and the Lab used are unknown. They don't want to disclose this information. The person posting simply says this data 'looks authentic.'

In science I understand that an experiment needs to be replicated more than once to verify the conclusions reached. If another lab using other data collection people do an independent study in much the same way and come up with the same results, this tends to show the original conclusions are correct. Over time this amassing of evidence results in general acceptance of whatever principle is involved. There is also no real tie to chemtrails as the cause of all this. They took air samples at ground level.

That (replication) needs to happen here. I suppose it could be done with both the lab and the reporter remaining anonymous, but that fact certainly does not help matters or add to the authenticity.

Incidentally, using silver iodide to use in cloud seeding was invented by the brother of Kurt Vonnegut in (I believe) the forties.

 

[Jose Collado]

So much research and yet no scientific evidence that supports the theory of chemtrails.

Anyone found credible scientific evidence or are we going to continue with the speculation?

 

[Jose Collado]

jose it is a known fact "chemtrails" exist. why dont you take your disinfo to another forum?

And yet you fail to present any of the supportive "facts" time and time again. If it's a "known fact" then surely you can point me toward the credible, scientific, peer reviewed articles that show these "facts". Right? No, instead I get YouTube videos and links to bogus websites that thrive on bunk.

I've asked before and I'll continue asking. Show me an ounce of credible scientific evidence. Just an ounce. All you seem to do is speculate. Everything you've presented thus far has been nothing more than bad science, speculation and bunk. Surely it can't be that hard especially for someone with 9+ years of "research" to present something that remotely resembles "evidence". Atmospheric samples? Now there a foreign concept. Seems no one has taken any atmospheric samples from the altitude of the alleged spraying whilst the trails remain in the sky. Why not? Surely it can't be that difficult.

The only disinfo I read here seems to be coming from the chemtrail believers.

Proof...got any?

Contrails - backed by physics and free of assumptions
Chemtrails - Speculative at best with zero supportive evidence

 

[cottonzway]

And there you have a perfect summary of Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six, an exellent novel, btw.

Where were these toxicology measurements taken? Were they soil samples or air samples or what? Do you have a reference to cite?

Speaking of Clancy....

He wrote about and made a video game about the EXACT situation that happened last August with Russia and Gerogia in the two areas of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Pretty interesting.

Let's just hope he is wrong about End War.

 

[pixelsmith]

jose once again, i cannot prove anything. you cannot prove i am wrong either.

 

[bobheck]

jose once again, i cannot prove anything. you cannot prove i am wrong either.

The burden of proof lies with those making fantastic claims.

 

[pixelsmith]

The burden of proof lies with those making fantastic claims.

no it does not.

 

[CapnG]

no it does not.

Uh, yes it does. That's how science works: if you can't prove your hypothesis, then you have NO hypothesis.

 

[pixelsmith]

prove you exist first so i know i am not wasting my time.

 

[CapnG]

prove you exist first so i know i am not wasting my time.

Really? That's it? That's all you've got left? Pedantic, childish, empty philosophical posturing, that's the BEST you can do?

That's sad.

 

[pixelsmith]

Really? That's it? That's all you've got left? Pedantic, childish, empty philosophical posturing, that's the BEST you can do?

That's sad.

ouch... a little harsh arent you? we are all friends here, lighten up dude.

we cant prove flying saucers, aliens, ghosts, etc exist either, that is why we are here discussing things. telling someone to "prove it" is unreasonable on a paranormal forum. we all have opinions. i respect yours otherwise i wouldnt bother coming here to debate. i make my claims and express my beliefs fully expecting some one to question me. if i hear enough of your views to change my mind, i will. i do it all the time. i once believed in santa claus, i once believed all the stories in the bible were true, i once believed in God, i once believed man made global warming was real, i once believed in a lot of things i do not believe in now. today, i believe we are being used as guinea pigs AGAIN. we have been used for testing many times throughout history, and we still are today.

you are probably thinking i have brain damage, and you would be correct, i have broken my neck twice and hit my head very hard both times, one time my car rolled over on my head, both times my head was split open, i have also been struck by lighting, buried alive for a short time, and a few other brain damaging things. call me names if you want. i can't help the way i am, what is your excuse?

 

[CapnG]

we cant prove flying saucers, aliens, ghosts, etc exist either, that is why we are here discussing things. telling someone to "prove it" is unreasonable on a paranormal forum.

Ah... but therein lies the rub. Chemtrails aren't paranormal, they're functional, physical constructs. That is if they exist, an idea I am totally open to but need to see more than what has been presented so far to be fully sold on. So far, I haven't got it. You see, unlike ghosts or UFOs or whatever, chemtrails SHOULD be provable. And fairly easily so, I would think.

you are probably thinking i have brain damage, and you would be correct, i have broken my neck twice and hit my head very hard both times, one time my car rolled over on my head, both times my head was split open, i have also been struck by lighting, buried alive for a short time, and a few other brain damaging things. call me names if you want. i can't help the way i am, what is your excuse?

A) Wow, that's some rough life you've had! You might want to try avoiding that sorta stuff!

B) What's my excuse? Why would I need one? I am who I am and that's all that I am.