Whats the typical view of chem trails around here?

[Jose Collado]

Have fun with that

 

[CapnG]

Throw some fuel on the chemtrail argument why don't ya!

I felt a chill... besides, now we can roast marshmallows!

 

[AnnetteMarie]

I'm hungry, I'm going for steak and baked potato...

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/morgellons-disease/SN00043

 

[Schuyler]

This is just a personal impression, but I believe I am seeing far fewer contrails than I used to. When I was a kid and jets were fairly new I remember seeing them all the time. Now I rarely do. Because of this thread, probably, I saw one dispersing yesterday and remarked upon it because it is so rare. I wonder if improvements in jet engines have reduced their appearance? Around here it is almost impossible to look in the sky and NOT see an airplane.

I can confirm the small jet engine at the back of a 747, used for internal power. It's very small and located at the base of the tail. It is always on, even on the ground, when the jet is being loaded. I believe this is installed on most wide-body (heavy) models, but is lacking in something like a 737.

 

[pixelsmith]

A Partial History of Secret U.S. Government Programs

1950 In an experiment to determine how susceptible an American city would be to biological attack, the U.S. Navy sprays a cloud of bacteria from ships over San Francisco. Monitoring devices are situated throughout the city in order to test the extent of infection. Many residents become ill with pneumonia-like symptoms.

1951 Department of Defense begins open air tests using disease-producing bacteria and viruses. Tests last through 1969 and there is concern that people in the surrounding areas have been exposed.

1953 U.S. military releases clouds of zinc cadmium sulfide gas over Winnipeg, St. Louis, Minneapolis, Fort Wayne, the Monocacy River Valley in Maryland, and Leesburg, Virginia. Their intent is to determine how efficiently they could disperse chemical agents.

Joint Army-Navy-CIA experiments are conducted in which tens of thousands of people in New York and San Francisco are exposed to the airborne germs Serratia marcescens and Bacillus glogigii.

1955 The CIA, in an experiment to test its ability to infect human populations with biological agents, releases a bacteria withdrawn from the Army's biological warfare arsenal over Tampa Bay, Fl.

1956 U.S. military releases mosquitoes infected with Yellow Fever over Savannah, Ga and Avon Park, Fl. Following each test, Army agents posing as public health officials test victims for effects.

1966 U.S. Army dispenses Bacillus subtilis variant Niger throughout the New York City subway system. More than a million civilians are exposed when army scientists drop lightbulbs filled with the bacteria onto ventilation grates.

1977 Senate hearings on Health and Scientific Research confirm that 239 populated areas had been contaminated with biological agents between 1949 and 1969. Some of the areas included San Francisco, Washington, D.C., Key West, Panama City, Minneapolis, and St. Louis.

1987 Department of Defense admits that, despite a treaty banning research and development of biological agents, it continues to operate research facilities at 127 facilities and universities around the nation.

nope, they wold never think of spraying anything on us...

 

[skunkape]

This is just a personal impression, but I believe I am seeing far fewer contrails than I used to.

I recall it being really noticable in the late '90's. Not so much these days.
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[Jose Collado]

nope, they wold never think of spraying anything on us...

No one said they would never resort to spraying. The question here is are chemtrails simply contrails. I'm sure there has been aerial spraying at some time but that does not stand as proof of modern chemtrails as they are perceived today.

Aerial spraying occurred in the UK during the 50's and 60's. That is a factual and on public record, I believe. What many chemtrail supporters ignore is that they had to use ground level spraying from vans because aerial spraying was a useless targeting method.

Has there been aerial spraying in the past? Yes and possibly. Does this constitute as proof of chemtrails? No. Is there proof chemtrails exist? No. It there any supportive evidence of the trails in the sky being a strain of deadly chemicals (barium etc)? Apart from fuel emissions, no. Has there been any testing from atmospheric levels? No.

 

[Jonah]

This kinda relates to my earlier post regarding the origins of the term "Chemtrails". Were they originally known as "DOR Clouds"?

"Ether of the "Dome Fire" - Borderlands Magazine (Spring 96)

If nothing else, the ads are interesting.

 

[Jose Collado]

This kinda relates to my earlier post regarding the origins of the term "Chemtrails". Were they originally known as "DOR Clouds"?

"Ether of the "Dome Fire" - Borderlands Magazine (Spring 96)

If nothing else, the ads are interesting.

I believe the term "chemtrail" is the name given to the trail left behind cropdusters. Which oddly enough, actually dissipate very quickly. Which contradicts the whole "contrails" dissipate quickly. They also spray low to the ground because thats the only way they can deliver as accurately as possible.

 

[themacx]

I believe the term "chemtrail" is the name given to the trail left behind cropdusters. Which oddly enough, actually dissipate very quickly. Which contradicts the whole "contrails" dissipate quickly. They also spray low to the ground because thats the only way they can deliver as accurately as possible.

High altitude crop dusting? cropdusters only spray low... I don't think people mean cropdusters anyway. Now I don't know or claim to know anything but just a few years back it was all over German tv where the german government admitted they where using chemtrails.. and no not talking WW2 here. I'll look it up later. My point is that it's not just a conspiracy nuttcase that made this stuf up mainstream media has a hand in this aswell, they claim it's mainly weather modification.

 

[Jose Collado]

High altitude crop dusting? cropdusters only spray low... I don't think people mean cropdusters anyway. Now I don't know or claim to know anything but just a few years back it was all over German tv where the german government admitted they where using chemtrails.. and no not talking WW2 here. I'll look it up later. My point is that it's not just a conspiracy nuttcase that made this stuf up mainstream media has a hand in this aswell, they claim it's mainly weather modification.

Sorry, might not have made myself clear. Blame the pain killers

Crop duster trails are called chemtrails from memory. That's where the term comes from. High altitude crop dusting would be a waste of resources because they can't control where the chemicals are applied. Which is one reason why the whole chemtrail theory is a little ridiculous. It makes no sense to spray in the sky below the stratosphere. It even makes little to no sense spraying in the stratosphere.

I explained the German Government issue here http://forum.theparacast.com/conspiracy-theories-f11/whats-the-typical-view-of-chem-trails-around-here-t4438/page4.html

I find it interesting that the conspiracy theorists have a double standard when it comes to media. Have you noticed that? They'll slam the media for presenting disinformation to the masses but welcome anything related to their conspiracy with open arms. They will argue the common person will accept anything the media sells them. Yet, they do the exact same thing.

There's no doubt in my mind that weather manipulation could potentially be explored. I mean, why wouldn't someone want to control the weather for both good and bad reasons. The problem is, when you take a step back and assess our current technology, we hardly manage to save ourselves in natural disasters let alone manage to control the slightest cloud formation or create a gust of wind. We'd be very arrogant to think we can control the weather.

Regardless, if these trails are chemtrails, then you fist need to establish the proof chemtrails actually exist.

 

[themacx]

Sorry, might not have made myself clear. Blame the pain killers

Crop duster trails are called chemtrails from memory. That's where the term comes from. High altitude crop dusting would be a waste of resources because they can't control where the chemicals are applied. Which is one reason why the whole chemtrail theory is a little ridiculous. It makes no sense to spray in the sky below the stratosphere. It even makes little to no sense spraying in the stratosphere.

I explained the German Government issue here http://forum.theparacast.com/conspi...w-of-chem-trails-around-here-t4438/page4.html

I find it interesting that the conspiracy theorists have a double standard when it comes to media. Have you noticed that? They'll slam the media for presenting disinformation to the masses but welcome anything related to their conspiracy with open arms. They will argue the common person will accept anything the media sells them. Yet, they do the exact same thing.

There's no doubt in my mind that weather manipulation could potentially be explored. I mean, why wouldn't someone want to control the weather for both good and bad reasons. The problem is, when you take a step back and assess our current technology, we hardly manage to save ourselves in natural disasters let alone manage to control the slightest cloud formation or create a gust of wind. We'd be very arrogant to think we can control the weather.

Regardless, if these trails are chemtrails, then you fist need to establish the proof chemtrails actually exist.

mainstream works both ways, on the other hand promoting things like fake moon landings and on the otherhand discrediting the same thing... I can't help it but dubble standards is the norm. Or just look at the robbert case all his credibillity comes from tv shows and radio interviews. And Nancy knowingly avoided that part by lying, knowing gene and dave wouln't buy it.

but there are still some decent tv shows out there, and the chemtrails in germany was presented by a credible program. Not some entertainment show.

I think there is enough proof chemtail and weather modding excists many countries do it just look at the last olympics in china, or at the work done in Israel and germany. Many counties experiment with it... and I think it's at that scale.. experiments. I don't buy the mindcontrol or HAARP conspiracies.

aggorant about controling weather?.. climate change is indeed very arrogant.:

 

[jimbo83478]

High altitude crop dusting? cropdusters only spray low... I don't think people mean cropdusters anyway. Now I don't know or claim to know anything but just a few years back it was all over German tv where the german government admitted they where using chemtrails.. and no not talking WW2 here. I'll look it up later. My point is that it's not just a conspiracy nuttcase that made this stuf up mainstream media has a hand in this aswell, they claim it's mainly weather modification.

I believe this is what you are referring to, yes?

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[themacx]

yes thats it, and I believe there also was a follow up report.

 

[bobheck]

I believe this is what you are referring to, yes?

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Well, unless you speak German and can verify that captioning, forget it. I don't believe that is genuine captioning for an instant.

That is probably a totally unrelated story.

As for chemtrails - I believe they are way more conspiratorial garbage than anything else.

I kept hearing and reading in forums about "perfect checkerboard patterns that are not natural" and junk like that.

I had to sit in a car one clear Texas night last winter for a couple of hours waiting on my wife (daughter was in a birthday party late at a "barn"), I waited outside. Moon was lighting the night sky brightly.

I saw a few contrails spaced apart but almost parallel, and got to thinking, maybe there is something to this. Then another jet went by and left another contrail, parallel to the other two but again spaced apart. Hmm, I thought.

Kept watching, and noticed how the prevailing winds pushed that contrail in the direction of the others, while pushing the others (obviously) in that direction also.

That is how you get checkerboard patterns. Airliners use specific routes, especially around airports - there are established "approaches". But even away from them, they usually fly common lanes between two airports.

They leave a contrail, the winds push it, then the next jet comes along, leaves a contrail, winds push it, and you get a pattern that is just as natural as anything based on the circumstances, but looks strange and the foil-headed conspiro-nauts think someone is poisoning them.

Maybe there are a few chemicals sprayed from time to time to seed clouds and such. Nobody is trying to control you by spraying mind spray on you though. Get a grip.

 

[bobheck]

I'm not trying to prove anything... but you sure aren't doing a very good job either.

I don't have any interest in the subject actually.

But you said they are all nothing but contrails.

Why don't you prove they are all contrails? Can you do that?

The burden of proof is on you, not me.

David, I highly regard you and your contributions to this forum. You make some of the most insightful and thoughtful posts I have ever read.

BUUTTTTT, that one is just not right.

The burden of proof lies on those that make assertions that things are not normal or not part of the natural order.

 

[pixelsmith]

jose jose jose... crop dusting is NOT the same as chemtrails... i live in a rural area that sees all kinds of crop dusting equipment. small light aircraft, biplanes and even helicopters... they fly low and slow.

i can appreciate a skeptic... that is how i went from joses camp to mine...jose seems to be well meaning but sadly misinformed or is intentionally spreading disinformation.

The announcement this week that the Obama administration has held discussions regarding the possibility of “geo-engineering” the earth’s climate to counter global warming by “shooting pollution particles into the upper atmosphere to reflect the sun’s rays” has stoke fresh concerns that similar programs are already underway, and that chemtrails are directly connected to such experimentation.

Indeed, as we covered in previous article, numerous universities and government agencies have been conducting studies in this field for years.

In addition, the Obama administration’s interest in exploring “geo-engineering” mirrors recent publications penned by the elite Council On Foreign Relations.

In a document entitled Geoengineering: Workshop on Unilateral Planetary Scale Geoengineering, the CFR proposes different methods of “reflecting sunlight back into space,” which include adding “small reflecting particles in the upper part of the atmosphere,” adding “more clouds in the lower part of the atmosphere,” and placing “various kinds of reflecting objects in space either near the earth or at a stable location between the earth and the sun.”

The proposals in the CFR document match exactly the atmospheric effects observed in the aftermath of chemtrail spraying.

Video: Concerns About Chemtrails Given Fresh Impetus Dprogram.net

 

[themacx]

Well, unless you speak German and can verify that captioning, forget it. I don't believe that is genuine captioning for an instant.
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I do speak and understand even write german. and the caption isn't far off but not correct.. like where it talks about changing climate, it actually talks about changing the weather radar image. What the military did was create a cloud band that weather stations/radar picked up. Military said it was a kind of flac to hide from radar and not so much just a few kilo... but the weather guy said it was tons of that stuff.

it's I think what I said and experiment... this is for me also the most credible thing I saw about "chemtrails" so you can imagine what I think of the rest of that BS what is out there.

 

[Schuyler]

Yup, I speak German, though not well. Those captions are definitely off. It looks like they have cherry picked a few words to emphasize in an attempt to make their case. You don't expect captions to be perfect, but they are inventing stuff here.

I really wish people would document their claims here. What is your source? WHERE is your source? IS your source credible? We haven't even addressed the science of chemtrails. You're telling me that big airplanes full of chemicals are spreading them in the stratosphere to do exactly what? What chemicals are they? How do they function? Where are they made? What are the parts per million? If it is true, then you must already be infected. How does that factor into the theories?

The issue has a Serpo-like feel to it, made up of whole cloth, but it is an interesting case study on how conspiracy theories build and grow. Here we have a common everyday occurrence, easily explained, that is turned into a 'vast government-led conspiracy' worldwide in scope. What if we actually had some evidence! It's like when David, the image expert, told Nancy her orbs were dust particles. She admits to not understanding anything technical, but her reply was , "I don't believe you." It's like she had her fingers in her ears and was chanting "Na Na Na Na!"

Chemtrails make as much sense as 120,000,000 people being abducted.

 

[themacx]

well.. king "o" conspiracy alex jones is making a movie about chemtrails so I guess he is gonna expose THE TRUTH for everybody.