WTC 7 tell me what you think of this video

[Muadib]

It's so funny to me how these "truthers" already have their minds made up, no amount of evidence or blatantly obvious logic can change their opinion, and then they have the balls to call that scientific. Science isn't about coming up with a pre-determined, unfalsifiable position and then using whatever facts you can dig up to support that position. That's not science, it's religion. At least be honest about it.

If there was a new investigation, and they didn't support your position, would you accept that you're wrong or just keep calling for investigation after investigation until someone finally told you what you want to hear?

 

[Aardvark]

Both the 9/11 Commission and the NIST investigations were seriously flawed. What is being requested is ONE clean, honest, complete, scientific investigation. If that can be convened in a neutral, unbiased arena it would be the last, in my opinion. This is not a case of "investigation after investigation" at this point. If that investigtion established that an injustice had been done quite naturally more might follow to establish the true extent of the crime.

 

[Aardvark]

I might add that the investigation should be targeted on WTC7 or WTC1,2,&7. To attempt a broader investigation initially would probably be an invitation to chaos.

 

[Muadib]

Your opinion on the quality of the NIST investigation is pretty much invalid as you've proven that you lack even a basic understanding of what happened on 9/11. I'm not opposed to someone opening up a new investigation, though it does beg the question of who would do it? Steven Jones and his 9/11 truther cronies who already have their mind made up about what happened? It really doesn't matter, no amount of logic or evidence will convince most of you truthers that there was no controlled demolition so why bother?

 

[Bob Watson]

I might add that the investigation should be targeted on WTC7 or WTC1,2,&7. To attempt a broader investigation initially would probably be an invitation to chaos.

my questions to pixel extend to you please answer them.

 

[Muadib]

He won't, he can't. The problem is they don't understand that since they're arguing against the accepted version of what happened on 9/11 that the burden of proof is on them, not us. You need evidence that proves it was a CD, not opinions formed from watching collapse videos. Real hard evidence that explosives or (rofl) thermite was used. They don't have any.

 

[Aardvark]

so why bother?

For the record, I disagree with your estimate of my knowledge of the 9/11 Atrocity. Your "so why bother" statement is probably a valid conclusion for you to come to based on the evidence that you have dragged into this Forum.

 

[Muadib]

For the record, I disagree with your estimate of my knowledge of the 9/11 Atrocity. Your "so why bother" statement is probably a valid conclusion for you to come to based on the evidence that you have dragged into this Forum.

LMAO. Ok then explain this statement: "Muadib, the top floors of WTC 1 and 2 exploded, which made it an impossibiity for the floors to act as plungers in some air compressor."

I'm sorry but that statement shows you have no idea what happened on 9/11. Tell me where all the material that comprised the tops of the building went. Y'know, the concrete floors, the steel support columns and everything else.

 

[Muadib]

For the record, I disagree with your estimate of my knowledge of the 9/11 Atrocity. Your "so why bother" statement is probably a valid conclusion for you to come to based on the evidence that you have dragged into this Forum.

Wow, this is just unbelievable. What evidence have you presented besides your ignorant opinion? Not a damn thing.

 

[Aardvark]

my questions to pixel extend to you please answer them.

From what I can find in the Forum , that you directed to Pixelsmith, my answers would be:
No
No
No
No
No
And I still wait for you to clarify the "brats and beer" invitation.

 

[pixelsmith]

Pixel; Do you honestly beleve the president of the united states ordered the MURDER of thousands?
do you beleve that somehow the goverment carried out an attack on it's OWN SOIL?
Do you beleve that goverment opertives carried out the attack and are unwilling to come forward with the truth 11 years later?
do you beleve 3 buildings were wired for contoled demolitions and NO ONE NOTICED?
Do you beleve that missle of the united states goverment stuck the headquarters of its OWN military?
if so I feel sorry for you!
my offer for beer and brats stands!

1- no
2- yes, they have done it before.
3- yes
4- yes/no there was ample time to do so. you guys would know this if you had done any unbiased research.
5- possibly. we are not being shown the dozens of video feeds that captured the attack. we are shown a few seconds and thats it. if you look at the damage BEFORE the wall fell down you will not see any impact marks from the 2 - 9 ton titanium engines... all you will see is a big hole. also... my understanding is that a large jet cannot fly a few inches off the grass and maintain lift and not disturb the grass. if there was nothing to hide, then WHY did they hide the dozens of recorded video tapes.

 

[Bob Watson]

ah I invited pixel to come to wisconsin to share in brats and beer its a way that we wisconsin ppl use to mend fences.

 

[Muadib]

I give you credit for at least answering the questions Pixel. That being said what did you expect to see? A cartoon cutout of an airplane? That's not what happens when an airplane slams into a building at hundreds of miles per hour. I will agree with you when I say that I think the governments behavior with regards to the videos that they must have of the Pentagon attack is suspicious. I still don't agree about the WTC though. There was time, but opportunity? I don't think so. Plus how would you hide explosives being rigged throughout the WTC?

 

[pixelsmith]

So I think that pretty much puts the thermite thing to rest, but because the so called "truthers" aren't really interested in science or truth and are much more interested in advancing their viewpoint of the world and 9/11, they'll just ignore it. Oh well.

you are so full of shit i can smell you from minnesota.
have you EVER hand cut a column with a torch like the one with the angled cut? NO. any iron worker doing cleanup wouldnt either. that would take a long long time. if it was done during clean up the cut would be straight across or at a very slight angle while an operator gently pulled on it with heavy equipment. you also know zip about thermite cutting charges that produce the same exact cut in order to walk the building as is done in demolition.

 

[Bob Watson]

more evidace of major stuctual damage to WTC 7

 

[Aardvark]

LMAO. Ok then explain this statement: "Muadib, the top floors of WTC 1 and 2 exploded, which made it an impossibiity for the floors to act as plungers in some air compressor."

I'm sorry but that statement shows you have no idea what happened on 9/11. Tell me where all the material that comprised the tops of the building went. Y'know, the concrete floors, the steel support columns and everything else.

Muadib--Take a good long, slow look at this picture:

That is an EXPLOSION. That is NOT what is to be expected as the collapse initiation of a fire weakened steel reinforced high rise structure. Can you see that???

If WTC 1 and 2 had "collapsed" as the result of weakening caused by a fire, all of the building materials would have been in a heap at the base of the building. They were not there. Obviously, some other energy source was introduced into the building. I do not know what that was , so quit asking me. The logical step is to authorize an investigation, with the power of subpoena , that just might provide the real answers for you and me and the Families of those that were targeted in the 9/11 Atrocity.

 

[Muadib]

you are so full of shit i can smell you from minnesota.
have you EVER hand cut a column with a torch like the one with the angled cut? NO. any iron worker doing cleanup wouldnt either. that would take a long long time. if it was done during clean up the cut would be straight across or at a very slight angle while an operator gently pulled on it with heavy equipment. you also know zip about thermite cutting charges that produce the same exact cut in order to walk the building as is done in demolition.

You obviously missed the picture of an iron worker doing exactly that. It's there go back and look. Show us a working device which uses thermite and cuts a sizable hollow column. It must also be small enough to do the job yet hide from the average World Trade Center worker.

 

[Muadib]

Muadib--Take a good long, slow look at this picture:

That is an EXPLOSION. That is NOT what is to be expected as the collapse initiation of a fire weakened steel reinforced high rise structure. Can you see that???

If WTC 1 and 2 had "collapsed" as the result of weakening caused by a fire, all of the building materials would have been in a heap at the base of the building. They were not there. Obviously, some other energy source was introduced into the building. I do not know what that was , so quit asking me. The logical step is to authorize an investigation, with the power of subpoena , that just might provide the real answers for you and me and the Families of those that were targeted in the 9/11 Atrocity.

You're completely and utterly wrong, go back and read the Nutty 9/11 physics article. Not to mention that's the collapse and not what you said in your original post. All that is pulverized concrete and debris it doesn't prove there was an explosion.

 

[pixelsmith]

I give you credit for at least answering the questions Pixel. That being said what did you expect to see? A cartoon cutout of an airplane? That's not what happens when an airplane slams into a building at hundreds of miles per hour. I will agree with you when I say that I think the governments behavior with regards to the videos that they must have of the Pentagon attack is suspicious. I still don't agree about the WTC though. There was time, but opportunity? I don't think so. Plus how would you hide explosives being rigged throughout the WTC?

um... lets see... where have we seen a "cartoon cutout" of an airplane on a building before... hmmm... right down to the wing tips.

there were numerous power downs and closed areas of the towers in the months before the attacks while wiring of the building was being upgraded. why upgrade wiring when the half empty building was slated to be demolished in the near future?

 

[Muadib]

um... lets see... where have we seen a "cartoon cutout" of an airplane on a building before... hmmm... right down to the wing tips.

there were numerous power downs and closed areas of the towers in the months before the attacks while wiring of the building was being upgraded. why upgrade wiring when the half empty building was slated to be demolished in the near future?

That's hardly what I'd call a cartoon cutout, you can see a wingtip on one side, you don't see outlines of the engines though. From what I understand, the wings were sheared off and disintegrated when the Pentagon was hit, admittedly this doesn't account for the engines. The Pentagon is suspicious, I'll give you that, still doesn't prove that WTC 1,2 and 7 were a controlled det.

There are hundreds of possible reasons to upgrade the wiring, people still have to do business even if the building is set to be demolished. So you mean to tell me that they filled the building with explosives and nobody saw anything? Not one janitor or worker? Nobody? They didn't see the explosives, they didn't see any det cord, they didn't see any wires? Why?