your views on creationism please

[dyingsun]

'BELIEF SYSTEM' is your big gripe ?

 

[openmindedman]

BELIEF SYSTEM!

And there goes the underline--this may be a knock out!

again, no facts just attack.

You really should see a therapist.

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'BELIEF SYSTEM' is your big gripe ?

yes. I am fine with evolution as long as everyone understands it's just another belief system. With the same faults and bias that any belief system has. If the theory can't be proven wrong, because you KNOW it's true... then it's a belief.

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On confirmation bias in science

"Understanding that this is a part of our psychological makeup is a necessary step if we are to have any chance at correcting it, just as the acknowledgment that we all have prejudices is necessary in order to overcome those prejudices. When we realize that we have an unconscious inclination to weigh evidence selectively, we will have a better chance at recognizing and utilizing the material we might have overlooked — or that others have overlooked in their attempts to convince us of something."

 

[dyingsun]

again, no facts just attack.

You really should see a therapist.

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yes. I am fine with evolution as long as everyone understands it's just another belief system. With the same faults and bias that any belief system has. If the theory can't be proven wrong, because you KNOW it's true... then it's a belief.

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On confirmation bias in science

"Understanding that this is a part of our psychological makeup is a necessary step if we are to have any chance at correcting it, just as the acknowledgment that we all have prejudices is necessary in order to overcome those prejudices. When we realize that we have an unconscious inclination to weigh evidence selectively, we will have a better chance at recognizing and utilizing the material we might have overlooked — or that others have overlooked in their attempts to convince us of something."

I'm totally stunned, we don't read on here.

 

[CapnG]

This guy is impervious to reasoning.

Also irony, apparently.

In all fairness CapnG, he did have bolded text and ALL CAPS, too! I'm gonna have to give him that round.

Yes, clearly his grasp of the art of argument oustrips mine.

What distresses me more however is the way guys like him always scream for evidence, dismiss it when you hand it to them and then declare victory due to the lack of evidence. Hamsters in wheels spend less time running in circles.

 

[openmindedman]

What distresses me more however is the way guys like him always scream for evidence, dismiss it when you hand it to them and then declare victory due to the lack of evidence. Hamsters in wheels spend less time running in circles.

True, I mention confirmation bias, narrative fallacy and you act like it's all just fairy tales. If the shoe fits...

 

[Ron Collins]

again, no facts just attack.

You really should see a therapist.

As far as i can tell, you launched the first salvo. Don't complain when it comes bright back at ya.

yes. I am fine with evolution as long as everyone understands it's just another belief system. With the same faults and bias that any belief system has. If the theory can't be proven wrong, because you KNOW it's true... then it's a belief.

For some reason you want to equate scientific theory with belief. This is not a fair comparison. Belief systems do not change when presented with empirical data. They throw dogma at the problem and run for the comfort found in the often mistranslated texts from ancient unverifiable sources. A scientific theory... evolves... when presented with empirical data. as far as your dime store psychobabble is concerned, you might want to look down at that freshman psych book and flip on over to the chapter that discusses how far being an ass gets you. Especially on your first day in a new forum.

 

[openmindedman]

Just in case someone skips over the previous pages in this conversation, the poster above, in his 1st entry, quoted some "evolutionary scientists" and I asked for their names, since his quote sounded fictitious (it was so stupidly constructed by a hilariously ill-equipped poseur). The above poster, ignored my request (his only option, obviously) and made himself look more and more idiotic with every post. I foolishly kept responding to him, which is something I now regret.

Lance

To correct this narrative bias... this is of course lances viewpoint. If you also read through the posts, my statements are always ignored and met with hostility.

Why... well, lance for example has a inferiority complex, and need to try and act superior. (please cite previous posts for proof)

Also, this forum isn't about discussing, it's a religious fanatics forum that is scared their belief system may not be true.

sad.

 

[openmindedman]

As far as i can tell, you launched the first salvo. Don't complain when it comes bright back at ya.

Try reading from the beginning of the thread to see the truth... not just bias interpretation.

For some reason you want to equate scientific theory with belief. This is not a fair comparison. Belief systems do not change when presented with empirical data. They throw dogma at the problem and run for the comfort found in the often mistranslated texts from ancient unverifiable sources. A scientific theory... evolves... when presented with empirical data. as far as your dime store psychobabble is concerned, you might want to look down at that freshman psych book and flip on over to the chapter that discusses how far being an ass gets you. Especially on your first day in a new forum.

To be clear I haven't even tried to defend other belief system, just pointing out the similarities. For example over the course of most religions, books and books of theology and doctrine have been written correcting and fixing apparent problems... just like evolution.

True believers also defend it by vilifying dissenters... just like evolutionists.

why not confront the facts? why is it so scary?

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Note that he still does not cite his reference.

Lance

note that he still does not address my main point.

 

[Paul Kimball]

Let psychology 101 begin...

Step one attack the data of the person refuting your belief

Proceeding as predicted.

Always fascinating! Cling to your belief system! cling I say!!!

No, psychology 101 is presenting "evidence" and then when questioned as to the source, attack the questioner. Poor form.

 

[justcurious]

Trust me I'm not trying to Save anyone... well maybe save them from an ignorant existence. ;-)

But that is a futile endeavor I fear.

Are you evading my questions ? No, a true genius like you would certainly not need to do that...

At least I don't have a limited mind that can't accept larger possibilities.

But alas, true believers are always blind to their own faults and bigoted as a protection against accepting new ideas.

What do you mean by creationism being a new idea versus the old theory of evolution ? And what do you find "larger" in the bored-old-man-in-the-sky explanation ?

 

[Paul Kimball]

note that he still does not address my main point.

Until you provide an answer to Lance's perfectly reasonable request, I can only assume that you're a liar, and that no such quote as you presented it exists.

In which case, will someone please ban this troll? :

 

[dyingsun]

Dude, honestly, where are you from, your 'typos' or missed letters seems slavic ?

 

[Ron Collins]

Until you provide an answer to Lance's perfectly reasonable request, I can only assume that you're a liar, and that no such quote as you presented it exists.

In which case, will someone please ban this troll? :

I completely agree. I have already warned him about being insulting. So lets make it official, openmindedman you get 30 minutes to present backup for your quote or apologize and admit its B.S. or i will ban you for being a troll.

 

[openmindedman]

I completely agree. I have already warned him about being insulting. So lets make it official, openmindedman you get 30 minutes to present backup for your quote or apologize and admit its B.S. or i will ban you for being a troll.

Interesting... are there deadlines on presenting facts that narrative fallacy and conformational bias is not part of evolutionary theory? which is my whole point!!!!

Or is it easier to just ban someone for not agreeing with you... I hear the Nazi's started that way. ;-)

 

[dyingsun]

'Facts' is a good one

 

[openmindedman]

'Facts' is a good one

Great fact! thanks!

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Well you have 30 minutes to answer my main point... or I simply ban myself by leaving this forum to it's own cult-like beliefs.

 

[dyingsun]

Hope you likey.

 

[justcurious]

OpenBibleman if you are right, you will go to heaven and I will go to hell, which is very reassuring because I won't have to cope up with you in the after life.

But I will now get out and slap a couple of nuns, steal something and may be rape a Yorkshire terrier just to make sure...

 

[openmindedman]

OpenBibleman if you are right, you will go to heaven and I will go to hell, which is very reassuring because I won't have to cope up with you in the after life.

But I will now get out and slap a couple of nuns, steal something and may be rape a Yorkshire terrier just to make sure...

WOW, again. I am talking about psychology pertaining to evolution and you guys keep talking about my perceived hope to get you into heaven.

Trust me, as far as I'm concerned you can go to hell. ;-)

 

[dyingsun]

WOW, again. I am talking about psychology pertaining to evolution and you guys keep talking about my perceived hope to get you into heaven.

Trust me, as far as I'm concerned you can go to hell. ;-)

How could you get 'us' into Heaven then ? I'd dodge that flight anyhow