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I, Global Warming Skeptic

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[h=1]I, Global Warming Skeptic[/h] Posted on June 15, 2011 by Craig Good



I am a global warming skeptic.
Politically, I land somewhere in the libertarian/conservative camp. If liberal still meant what it did sixty years ago I’d probably be one of those. Whatever my label, I am not a progressive/socialist kind of guy. I wrote on my own blog a long time ago that I needed to be convinced that warming was happening at all, then that people were causing it, and then that it was actually a bad thing.

I have many good reasons to be skeptical about AGW (anthropogenic global warming).

  • I’m old enough to remember “Global Cooling”, the population bomb, the hole in the ozone, and any number of other tidings of doom. The Chicken Littles have a track record indistinguishable from that of Harold Camping.
  • The issue is massively politicized. The Left has seized on it as an opportunity to dismantle free markets and grow government. They have entangled it with their beliefs the way creationists entangle evolution with religion.
  • That amount of politicization brings corrupting quantities of money.
  • The IPCC was formed by the United Nations. The UN is a systemically-corrupt, left-wing political organization. Any organization that coddles dictators and thugs should not be trusted even if it claims the sky is blue.
  • Anybody who didn’t just fall off the turnip truck can see “cap and trade” and carbon credit markets for the bald-faced scams they are.
  • Climate science is very complicated, and there are any number of legitimate questions having to do with the accuracy of our models, the true effect of CO2 as a forcing agent, the reliability of temperature data, the effect of solar cycles, etc.
There is, in short, more heat than light in the AGW debate, and plenty of reason to be skeptical. It’s pointless to even begin to talk about policy until the science is solid and well-understood. Which is why I’m so grateful to a particular scientist by the name of Dr. Peter Gleick.
A skeptic isn’t someone who merely holds doubts. A skeptic, as my daughter points out, is the one with the truly open mind. A skeptic will believe anything as long as it is supported by data, sound science and a logically consistent argument.
When I heard Dr. Gleick speak at the recent SkeptiCal, I was all braced for the typical alarmist assault. I was about to be called a “denier”, and told why Kyoto must be signed.




Except that’s not what happened.
Dr. Gleick started by pointing out that good policy without good science is unlikely. I had to agree. He then carefully teased out the science from the politics and talked about the fallacies that commonly appear around the science of global warming. Especially illuminating was the part about cherry-picking data. It was refreshing.
Since his talk I have spent a lot of time on a site he recommended, skepticalscience.com. There they have taken each of the most common science questions, numbered them, and carefully addressed them with the current science. The answers are even presented in basic, intermediate, and advanced formats so that there’s likely to be one matching the reader’s level of scientific knowledge.
With the caveat that a few of the questions don’t belong on their list (42, 63, 105 and 165, at least) because they are economic and/or political rather than scientific, I highly recommend the site.
So, yes, I am now persuaded that anthropogenic global warming is real. That’s because I’m a skeptic.
To my friends on the Left: Do you want to convince more skeptics? I mean really? Is the truth more important than your politics? Great. I have some suggestions.
Stop calling people “deniers”. That’s very clearly a slap in the face, designed to link skeptics to holocaust deniers. Maybe it plays well with the base, but you’ll make no friends nor influence people with that kind of disrespect. Don’t poison the well.
Stop calling it “climate change”. That’s a weasel-worded political phrase that dances around the real issue. It looks stupid. Of course the climate is changing. It always has! If the problem isn’t human-caused warming, there isn’t a problem. So call it what it is: anthropogenic global warming.
Stop blaming every unusual weather event on global warming. “We blame global warming” has become a joke on the Right, and for good reason. Scientists need to do a better job explaining why a global average temperature change so small that nobody could feel the difference (how about I warm your room up a half a degree and see if you can tell?) can change weather patterns in a way that some places might actually get colder and some weather may get more intense – sometimes. But blaming every heat wave, hurricane, tornado and earthquake on global warming only confuses the issue. It’s hard enough for most people to understand the difference between climate and weather.
Dump Al Gore. Even if you don’t think the man is a buffoon (I do, and I’m far from alone) you have to admit that he’s hyper-political. He’s clearly looking to ride global warming to greater wealth and power. A spokesman with his carbon footprint isn’t an ambassador, he’s a hypocritical liability.
Enough with the “green”. Linking AGW to the watermelons of the environmental movement is counterproductive. The environmentalist left is so infected with woo and socialism that it taints your argument. CO2 could technically be called a “pollutant” but don’t try to equate what I exhale with toxic waste. This is a different problem than most “good for nature” issues. Besides, CO2 is the “greenest” gas I can think of. Plants love it, and a warmer world is going to get a lot greener. If anything, the campaign should be to un-green the world.
Hug a nuke. If you really follow the science, really believe that lowering CO2 is important, and truly follow safety statistics then you’ll become a nuclear energy booster. Technophobes who reflexively oppose nuclear power are every bit as fallacious as your friends who don’t buy global warming. If not more so. So far nuclear power has proven a lot safer than organic farming.
Stick with the science. Unlink it from your politics. The fact that human activity is raising the average temperature of the planet does not necessarily imply the “and therefore” that you want it to. Don’t conflate it with your political agenda. The politics comes later.
Scientists: Go Independent. How much do you mistrust a report funded, even in part, by Exxon? Multiply that by ten and that’s how much we mistrust the UN. If you’re a climate scientist with a talent for speaking or writing, follow Dr. Gleick’s example and provide politics-free, all-science talks and articles. The IPCC consensus may be correct but, as a body, its credibility is tainted. It looks too much like political consensus. You’ll be much more effective without them.

To my friends on the Right: Are you willing to follow the data? Good, because if nothing can convince you to change your mind, your mind is closed.
Look at the data. That skepticalscience.com site is a good resource. Forgive them for including four economic/political questions (which can’t be addressed by science) and look at the other 160 or so. What you’ll find is that there are multiple lines of data all converging on one conclusion: The net effect of our increased CO2 output is accelerated warming of the planet. It would be beyond the scope of this blog post to address every one of your very legitimate questions. Let them do it.
If it isn’t AGW, come up with a better theory. Remember, it will have to both fit and explain the data. Good luck with that. AGW has reached the status of scientific theory because of the converging lines of evidence, and because it not only fits the data but is able to make correct predictions. Stephen Jay Gould said, “Science is all those things which are confirmed to such a degree that it would be unreasonable to withhold one’s provisional consent.” Is AGW as solid a theory as, say, evolution, the germ theory of disease, and gravity? Not quite. But it’s getting really close.
Don’t confuse consensus with consensus. This one had me confused for a long time. Like the word theory, which has a drastically different meaning in science than it does in the vernacular, consensus can mean two very different things. In politics a consensus is an aggregate expression of opinion. It’s only as valid as the majority agrees it is. In science it is a description of where the science has led. As Dr. Gleick put it, the consensus is not what gives power to the conclusion, the science leads to the conclusion.
Just because AGW is real doesn’t mean you are wrong politically. We both know that freedom works, and socialism and other forms of totalitarianism don’t. Recognizing a scientific reality is not the same thing as handing a political victory to theLeft. High taxes, giant government, and scams like cap and trade are extremely unlikely to actually help. What will? I don’t know. The whole point of a pro-market, pro-freedom agenda is that all of us are smarter than any of us. Thinking that government knows the answers requires kilotons of hubris and a near total ignorance of history.
The bottom line for all of us: Get on the same page. Once enough of us agree on what the problem is, then we can talk about how to fix it. Until then, at least separate your proposals from the science. Science does not tell you that it’s time to raise taxes. The more people understand and agree on what the problem is the more likely an actual solution can be found.

I’ll get off my soap box now. I got political in this post for very specific reasons. My goal is not, however, to prompt a political discussion. (I predict that many commenters will not read the entire post, but will react to my bait at the top of the jump.) It’s to persuade people to just follow the science and save the politics for later. If you are, or know, a global warming skeptic I hope my conversion story proves useful.
 
oh boy... here we go again!
i thought it was now common knowledge that global warming/cooling/climate change/climate disruption is a scam.
 
oh boy... here we go again!
i thought it was now common knowledge that global warming/cooling/climate change/climate disruption is a scam.

Read the article before you start trolling, okay? If you would take the time to do so, you would see that you agree with much of what he says.

K?
 
i did read the article. I am just wondering why you have opened this very old can of worms.
trolling? i am not trolling, if anyone is, it is you for posting more AGW stuff.

intelligent people and people with simple common sense know that AGW is a scam.
 
i do agree with much of what he says. i see no reason to go there anymore. it can get a person banned... trust me.
 
Interesting, opinionated, I like that. I'll stay out of this except to say that hugging a nuke has become a bit more difficult these days. I'll start trusting corporate energy when they have their grandkids living within one mile radius of a reactor. In fact anybody on the board of a nuclear energy facility should be required to live within a couple of miles of their plant. And have a plan for getting rid of the waste.
 
Interesting, opinionated, I like that. I'll stay out of this except to say that hugging a nuke has become a bit more difficult these days. I'll start trusting corporate energy when they have their grandkids living within one mile radius of a reactor. In fact anybody on the board of a nuclear energy facility should be required to live within a couple of miles of their plant. And have a plan for getting rid of the waste.

I agree with you on that one. The ongoing (it's important to say that) Fukushima disaster shows that when nuclear energy goes wrong, it goes very wrong.
 
the earth warms, cools, gets hot, gets cold... it is normal.

without climate change polar bears would not even exist... nor would humans.

move along folks, nothing more to see here.
 
The earth has undergone ice ages and global warming since it has been here. I am skeptical that this global warming (if true) is man made. However, I am sure that mankind contrubutes more to it than any other creature on earth. Interesting article. Sounds like the dude found him a guru. Not that theres anything wrong with that. :p Seriously it is an interesting article. I read it and found much food for thought. I do think socialism in limited quanities might not be such an evil thing but at the same time I am still a big fan of the U.S. version of government. Except for the endless war thing and the political correctness. :-)
 
Okay the nuclear energy, organic farming side topic is way off base. Everybody knows nuclear energy is not in line with the energy of Mother Nature or safe but that is another discussion.

Most open minded individuals and conspiracy theorists who know 911 was an inside job and those who believe in UFO's (which are many on this site or you would not be wasting your time in this forum) also know that GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM. It is just made up by the One World Gov banker crooks to have carbon taxes placed on our already diminishing money supply.

It is only a new topic of conversation for those who are not in a revolutionary mindset and still believe our government is our friend (like my Grandmother). To everyone else it is old news.
 
Most open minded individuals and conspiracy theorists who know 911 was an inside job and those who believe in UFO's (which are many on this site or you would not be wasting your time in this forum) also know that GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM. It is just made up by the One World Gov banker crooks to have carbon taxes placed on our already diminishing money supply.

It is only a new topic of conversation for those who are not in a revolutionary mindset and still believe our government is our friend (like my Grandmother). To everyone else it is old news.

Since you're new to the forum, you don't know this, but many people here completely disagree with you.

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So ya the World might be warming up, and humans may be playing a part in that process, but a carbon-credit trading scheme that lets big polluters buy credits from small polluters is just pure exploitation that will only facilitate more pollution rather than prevent it.

That's exactly why he's saying we should keep the politics out of it. That's the important part that I took away from the article.
 
Since you're new to the forum, you don't know this, but many people here completely disagree with you.

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That's exactly why he's saying we should keep the politics out of it. That's the important part that I took away from the article.

It's kinda' hard to separate politics from global warming. The two are joined at the hip.
 
If we concentrate on the science, we'll actually be able to figure out what is going on. However, you're right. The politics on the issue go deep.
 
If economic growth really will be limited by global warming and/or resource shortages, the politics becomes much more difficult. The less well-off will no longer benefit from "a rising tide lifts all boats". The pressures for redistribution of wealth and income (e.g. your dreaded "socialism") will become much more intense. Given our current political climate, I suspect the response will be violent repression of the less well-off by the wealthy and their hired government/private security forces.
 
I'm puzzled by the "both sides do it" take. On the global warming issue, the big money is all on the anti- side. Global warming (and the measures needed to deal with it) would be a major impediment to business-as-usual. On the other hand, as a left-liberal person I certainly don't feel that if global warming is true it somehow benefits me. On the contrary, it makes my ultimate political ideal (giving every human being a chance for a decent life, no matter who they are or how much money they or their parents have) far more difficult, maybe impossible.
 
I'm puzzled by the "both sides do it" take. On the global warming issue, the big money is all on the anti- side. Global warming (and the measures needed to deal with it) would be a major impediment to business-as-usual. On the other hand, as a left-liberal person I certainly don't feel that if global warming is true it somehow benefits me. On the contrary, it makes my ultimate political ideal (giving every human being a chance for a decent life, no matter who they are or how much money they or their parents have) far more difficult, maybe impossible.

Do not confuse global warming, anthropogenic global warming and catastrophic anthropogenic global warming.

global warming we need not worry about.
anthropogenic global warming is very very miniscule.
catastrophic anthropogenic global warming is pure bullshit.

CO2 is beneficial and a life giving gas. i hope it doubles to around 700 ppm very soon. it is at 388 ppm today.
 
Solar Warming and man made political vacum of money GW money making scheme. Who benifts really? How long has humainty been on this Earth and how long has weather records been taken and why now ? It more a mixture of Solar Warming and Earth changes within a forumlar of humanity being more aware of its surroundings. How long has CO2 been around and the solar system? All theory upon theory.
 
I thought global warming has been replaced by global climate change ( Aka a bet each way)
The australian govts solution strikes me as a pointless round robin exercise.

One: add a carbon tax to the polluters business costs ie coal powered electricity generators
Two: said electricity generators pass costs on to consumers
three: govt gives the tax it takes from polluters to consumers
four: consumers pass this money back to polluters.........

The only change in this model, is money changing hands

Its a con imo. The govt has the power to simply regulate, it can say to these companys by X date you need to meet X targets. It could tell vehicle manufacturers by X date you need to switch from producing gas guzzlers to hybrid or hydrogen fuel cell models.
They could simply give them a reasonable time frame to tool up, and then legislate the change as law.

Instead we have a claytons solution, the solution you have when you dont really have a solution.
Germany has said its going to switch from nuclear to coal..... i suspect others will do the same

I rather liked the UK version, which was to price goods on a supermarket shelf in accordance with its carbon footprint.
Right now a bottle of wine that comes from france costs more than a bottle of wine from australia.
But the australian wine has been transported (generating carbon every step of the way) for a longer distance, thus the carbon cost of the australian wine is higher (on a london shelf) than the french wine which only came across the channel.
Water is a chemical, its the same formula the world over H2O, but we transport shiploads of it from one side of the planet to the other.
To me there is nothing more crazy than an australian sipping Evian from the alps or Perrier from france.
Each and every bottle has to be transported on a cargo vessel belching diesel fumes and leaking oil into the ocean, The bloody stuff falls out of the sky.

Personally i think if Carbon is our doom, then were doomed, The various treaties, protocols and schemes are like trying to staunch an arterial bleed with a bandaid.

It would take a global government to fix a global issue.
 
Mike... we ARE carbon. "carbon footprint" is a stupid phrase created to make you think you are sh!t and should die.

I remember in the early 70's the threat was a looming ice age. they wanted to paint large areas of ice black to absorb more heat... our current science czar john holdren warned us of it back in the early 70's.... now this same science czar is warning us of global warming.

read EcoScience and learn more of what this eugenicist, POS "science" czar" thinks.
Ecoscience: Population, Resources, Environment [1649.Pgs.] John.holdren
 
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