I, Global Warming Skeptic

[pixelsmith]

No one is "paid" to come up with what the properties of CO2 gas are. Also, you don't think the stuff we're spewing out into the atmosphere is not bad for us? Would you inhale car exhaust?
C'mon Pixelsmith, at one point you have to admit that there is merit to NOT burning fossil fuels.


Anyway, enjoy the Blues Festival. Post some pictures if you get the chance.

Wow... you really are clueless Angelo. Scientists are indeed paid to arrive at conclusions that support the AGW hypothesis.
Sure we spew noxious gasses into the air but our contribution as compared to natures contribution is almost immeasurable.
Without the burning of fossil fuels you and I would not be having this internet conversation. I am all in favor of new NON subsidized energy solutions, but we have none. Solar power is not suitable, wind power is a joke, nuclear is on the right track but has its problems... oil is our best bet for now... and there is lots of it left. I have always thought electromagnetic power is the way to go.

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I thought you said to move on and there was nothing to see here. So why do you continue to comment??

Angelo asked a question, I answered... duh.

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I would love to see this science that Angelo speaks of. He will not find any tho.

 

[Angel of Ioren]

Wow... you really are clueless Angelo. Scientists are indeed paid to arrive at conclusions that support the AGW hypothesis.
Sure we spew noxious gasses into the air but our contribution as compared to natures contribution is almost immeasurable.
Without the burning of fossil fuels you and I would not be having this internet conversation. I am all in favor of new NON subsidized energy solutions, but we have none. Solar power is not suitable, wind power is a joke, nuclear is on the right track but has its problems... oil is our best bet for now... and there is lots of it left. I have always thought electromagnetic power is the way to go.

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Angelo asked a question, I answered... duh.

Guess what. The power I'm using is actually not generated by burning fossil fuels!

Anyway, you still haven't shown how you've determined that CO2 is not a greenhouse gas.

 

[pixelsmith]

i never said it was not a greenhouse gas. it is a trace gas... "greenhouse" is actually a misnomer. our atmosphere is NOT like a greenhouse.

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Angelo where does your power come from?

 

[Angel of Ioren]

i never said it was not a greenhouse gas. it is a trace gas... "greenhouse" is actually a misnomer. our atmosphere is NOT like a greenhouse.

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Angelo where does your power come from?

Hi Pixelsmith, the information I have seen says otherwise, but the problem is, if i post it here, you will say it is part of the conspiracy, so that leaves us with nothing, and we waste our time with a circular argument.
With regards to where I get my power: Hydro-Québec

 

[pixelsmith]

ya... i figured you wouldn't post any science on the subject... al gore can't either. this is not unusual for your camp.


Hydro-Québec built their system with hydro power then? or were fossil fuels involved in the construction and maintenance?

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check out jonova's handbooks... she was once in your camp until she actually researched AGW for herself. her handbooks are very informative.
Skeptics Handbook JoNova: Science, carbon, climate and tax

consider reading I and II then tell me what you think. it is very easy reading.

 

[Angel of Ioren]

ya... i figured you wouldn't post any science on the subject... al gore can't either. this is not unusual for your camp.


Hydro-Québec built their system with hydro power then? or were fossil fuels involved in the construction and maintenance?

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check out jonova's handbooks... she was once in your camp until she actually researched AGW for herself. her handbooks are very informative.
Skeptics Handbook JoNova: Science, carbon, climate and tax

consider reading I and II then tell me what you think. it is very easy reading.

The main power source in Quebec, that which runs the grid, is hydro-electric.
As I said, there are tons of scientific studies that I have posted before and you have said they are all part of the conspiracy. What's the point? Please explain to me how your sources are not compromised by oil companies? Last time I checked, they liked making money. I'm curious how you get around that fact.

 

[pixelsmith]

yes i understand... hydro electric.. got it... what was used to build the facility, solar powered cranes and dump trucks?

read jonova's handbooks and your questions will be answered.

 

[Angel of Ioren]

I'm glad you understand what hydro electric power is. I just wanted to make sure you understood that it is possible to use sources other than fossil fuels to power an electric grid of a city the size of Montreal.
I'm glad I could teach you something about your neighbors to the north. We're number two in the world in best places to live!

 

[pixelsmith]

hmm... i am not that stupid angelo.

SO... what did they use to build the hydro electric plant? you are very good at side stepping, very typical of the people in your camp.

 

[Angel of Ioren]

hmm... i am not that stupid angelo.

SO... what did they use to build the hydro electric plant? you are very good at side stepping, very typical of the people in your camp.

We're talking about powering a city. The initial question you asked was how I get my power to communicate with you. The answer to that is hydro electric power. That seems to have bothered you, so you needed to point out that the machinery used to build it runs on fossil fuels. Good for you. Unfortunately, we still rely on fossil fuels to actually build things. Until we have a better method, we still have to do that. I also drive my car to the store and I take the train to work. The electric hybrid locomotives will only start service later this year, so for now they are gas powered. I'm not against fossil fuels - we still need them. I was only pointing out that you were wrong in thinking that the power grid I was on was using fossil fuels as the MAIN way to run the turbine that creates the electricity. Do you get it, because if not, I'm not sure what to tell you.

 

[ALPHA ROMEO UNIFORM]

Angelo GW is just a theory used by the scientific for a theory! If the world was realy concerned about GW (which is tax) they would not put a charge on the reduction and who benifts from these Carbon Trading Prices? Who gains the intrest from the Carbon trading ? Angelo you will still be breathing the same levels in Carbons in 20 years Its more to do with a combination of Solar Warming rather just humanity and we are ants on this planet.

 

[Angel of Ioren]

Angelo GW is just a theory used by the scientific for a theory! If the world was realy concerned about GW (which is tax) they would not put a charge on the reduction and who benifts from these Carbon Trading Prices? Who gains the intrest from the Carbon trading ? Angelo you will still be breathing the same levels in Carbons in 20 years Its more to do with a combination of Solar Warming rather just humanity and we are ants on this planet.

You're politicizing it and ignoring the actual facts. No matter what people like Pixelsmith say, humans are having an effect on the earth. I'm not an expert on the climate, and I don't think anyone else in this forum is either, so I will place my trust in those that are.

 

[ALPHA ROMEO UNIFORM]

What a cop out regarding politcizing and tell me if the UN scientific board is not politcaly motivated! The whole debate needs more investigation on the solar warming impact!

 

[Ron Collins]

Well, it has been about 4 months since we had a GW debate. I guess its time again. Anyway, I have read some stuff recently on greenhouse gases and the article I read stated very clearly that livestock generated methane and water vapor were the biggest greenhouse contributors not CO2. Of course the article went on to describe how none of these were in amounts to account for global climate change. The article argued that solar flare activity was the most probable culprit in that in climate change and that we would actually begin to see a "cooling effect" as the solar activity reached a new minimum that could last 50 or 100 years.

Unfortunately, i cant remember where I read the article. Did anyone see it also and does anyone have a link to it?

 

[The Pair of Cats]

I am all for the warming of the planet AND an increase in CO2. We humans can benefit greatly from BOTH. This is historical FACT.

If as i suspect, that GW is natural and not man made, then there is not a lot we can do about changing the situation. What we can do is stop the man made poisoning and polluting. It will take an extreme application of the will of the people though.

 

[Angel of Ioren]

What we can do is stop the man made poisoning and polluting. It will take an extreme application of the will of the people though.

Yes, Phil, that's all I'm saying. That's the most important part. Cleaner energy would be good for everyone, since the one thing everyone can agree on is that the fumes coming from what generates most of the power we use are poison. Right? Common ground everyone. Radically changing the global economy to "fight" global warming is not necessarily the answer.
Ron, the thing about the cows, from everything I have heard, is absolute fact.

 

[trainedobserver]

"We have 20 nuclear cores exposed, the fuel pools have several cores each, that is 20 times the potential to be released than Chernobyl," said Gundersen. "The data I'm seeing shows that we are finding hot spots further away than we had from Chernobyl, and the amount of radiation in many of them was the amount that caused areas to be declared no-man's-land for Chernobyl. We are seeing square kilometres being found 60 to 70 kilometres away from the reactor. You can't clean all this up. We still have radioactive wild boar in Germany, 30 years after Chernobyl."

Fukushima: It's much worse than you think

Fairewinds Associates

 

[Angel of Ioren]

"We have 20 nuclear cores exposed, the fuel pools have several cores each, that is 20 times the potential to be released than Chernobyl," said Gundersen. "The data I'm seeing shows that we are finding hot spots further away than we had from Chernobyl, and the amount of radiation in many of them was the amount that caused areas to be declared no-man's-land for Chernobyl. We are seeing square kilometres being found 60 to 70 kilometres away from the reactor. You can't clean all this up. We still have radioactive wild boar in Germany, 30 years after Chernobyl."



Fukushima: It's much worse than you think

Fairewinds Associates

Yeah, nuclear power is amazing, but when it goes wrong, it goes very, very wrong. Also, the waste it creates is far too unstable.

 

[pixelsmith]

Yes, Phil, that's all I'm saying. That's the most important part. Cleaner energy would be good for everyone, since the one thing everyone can agree on is that the fumes coming from what generates most of the power we use are poison. Right? Common ground everyone. Radically changing the global economy to "fight" global warming is not necessarily the answer.
Ron, the thing about the cows, from everything I have heard, is absolute fact.

No one is arguing that we pollute. Angelo, you are very ignorant about the AGW scam. The foundation of the pro AGW camp is controlling human caused CO2 and listing it as a pollutant so it can be taxed. That is it. They want to control/tax CO2.

 

[mike]

I cant vouch for the veracity of this data, but i figured its worth noting

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