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I didn't mean the link. I couldn't connect to the Paracast web site. Bush was born into privilege. Had it not been for his father he would have been lucky to get hired as a janitor. He is so stupid and insensitive, he is oblivious to the pain, suffering, and carnage he caused. A fool of the highest order. He was a good Christian.
I figured it was probably a normal glitch. Not that they would like to silence all dissent.
The thread's title was suggested by another poster. IMO.
Perhaps there are not separate but so integrated that they are as one. If spirit means breath, it just means that you are still alive. We should not down grade any part of us.
I am not sure what you are saying here. Which gods? How do you command them?
This is very good news, would you care to elaborate?
I fear I used some poetic license when I wrote the above. I conflated some 'facts' (or more rightly said, ideas). I suppose it will shake down as the discussion proceeds. I was going to say something but decided to wait and see what was resonating with what I wrote.If anything points to the existence of spirit, it is all this - because 'all this' has it's origin in spirit. What we see is the physical manifestation of a powerful 'spiritual battle'. For some that sounds like 'woo', but until there is recognition of spirit-soul-body (rather than just soul-body, basically materialism), it will all appear without context. As long as we are blind - and oft times intentionally so - we will march off to wars being led by gods we deny exist, while every moment they are piping the tune, in control. The Greeks knew it was the gods who were 'in the game' and moving the chess pieces; we are (indeed) more advanced and initiate (personal) actions in ways they did not, but the gods still play us 'for their sport'. It will only be those who command the gods, or choose their gods wisely, who will say no to war, no to hate, who will be adept at stepping through the mine-field of twisted thoughts and mired emotions. When all is said-and-done, the world is us writ large. There is more conscious movement towards sanity than at any other time. It can seem hard to see but it is so. So say I.
The three aspects of body-soul-spirit are distinct aspects of the human gestalt. It would not be a matter of any 'down grade'. Seeing the human as made up of just body and soul means there is a 'glass ceiling' of a kind, beyond which the human cannot pass. When the spirit is recognized/experienced/understood, true freedom is possible.
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No, though that would be the position of the ancient Greeks. For them, aspects of their psyche were objectified: the god moved them to do, to rise, to fight, to wander, etc.. However, there still exists a sense - more or less shared - that we are not alone and are helped or hindered by beings/forces beyond us.
Ah, here's the rub, the 'proof '. Generally the 'proof ' that will be 'acceptable' under such a query are materially based cause-and-effect demonstrations. There is no one more a proponent of the scientific method than myself, but as with anything, taken to extremes a lot can fall though the cracks - and does.
Ooodles of assumptions here. We could easily get into a game of dueling authors - this cite versus that cite. How do you 'know' what the 'subconscious' is? Because you were told so - and believe so?
Again, lots of assumptions nested into these phrases, based on a particular gestalt that I would never argue is 'wrong', just different from the gestalt I work from. In undertaking this conversation with you I would never argue you are wrong. I, myself, have a materially based gestalt when it suits me, and likely use as my default mode most of the time. However, it would be foolhardy - imo - to assume - imo - that only one way of seeing the world is 'the truth'.
This is a belief. Unless you are a researcher in the subject I would guess that you are repeating the ideas of someone else who has published a book that you've read - that would be your 'bible'. This is not in itself a bad thing - we just need to recognize when it is we are using constructs (of another's making) to help us navigate through a plethora of phenomena we are trying to make sense of.
I can accept this idea as generally true with some serious caveats: that 'programming' is not as knee-jerk and predictable as might be anticipated (it's not a mechanical input-output). For example, abuse as a child may well predict (statistically) maturing into an abusing adult, but that is not a given. We have examples - and I know examples - of people raised in horrific circumstances who made other choices and actually came to adulthood as compassionate and sensitive human beings. No psychoanalysis involved. Something else was involved.
This is a powerful 20th century idea (we could say a doctrine) coming out of the work of psychology - a fledgling science if ever there was one. This is a belief. You are accepting this as fact based on the writings (bible) of someone - not so? How do you know this is a fact? Not in itself a bad thing - we all use some structure to see the world through. But I would argue that the best fact in these instances is as an experience. Have you experienced this?
Unless the 'exterior entity' is a fact based on experience. I would not call such a 'desperate extreme'. I'm not making any claims here, just suggesting something. You have found your way to a paranormal chat site that particularly dances around ideas of aliens and spaceships and what have you. I assume you have some gestalt that entertains these ideas as potentially possible/plausible. In fact I am far more skeptical of aliens (and spaceships) than I am of gods. It's curious, not so?
I don't. I would say that we arrive at what we think through a combination of personal experience and conversation with others, with a dollop of intuition if we're lucky. Reading books is a form of conversation. I give reading equal weight with conversation. What matters is the calibre of the people one converses with, and sometimes, a book feeds our soul more than any conversation can with one of our peers.
Not sure I 100% agree here. It's possible the world is a mess because people don't read enough.
Experience in itself is not valuable unless distilled into wisdom. I would assume you've had a conversation with a person or a book. It's rare to do the inside-out thing without some form of guidance.
Powerful narrative. As you state, it was "the experience of working through his paradigm" that led you to a new place. That paradigm comes from someone. It had power because the psychiatrist had engaged in conversation with others, either in person (his own professors) or via books (with great minds like Jung, perhaps) - and coupled with his own distillation of those minds and his own experience and wisdom, he could transmit to you a healing modality. But there is always a lineage to every idea. Ideas do not come from nowhere.
Wise man.
Sounds all good.
As long as you don't generalize what was your experience and assume what you experienced holds for all others. The world is a bit more layered than that, I think. The human condition has many more explanations than we can find in one life - hence, the value of books, of biography.
Sounds all good.
Heartening but even if they were occurring not in themselves an indication of pathology. This is where modern psychology has always fallen down - it's inability to incorporate the para-normal into it's gestalt, although Jung and others did so.
Not sure what you mean by 'superstition' in this context.
I would offer that you smirk because you do not understand. There is a saying that the ways to enlightenment are as many and varied as there are human hearts. You have found your way to peace of mind and a healed heart, but I would offer that there are other ways, too. I would counsel to seek to understand rather than smirk. Just makes good common sense to me.
The concept of a 'subconscious' is very handy imo - and it is in keeping with esoteric psychology. Or can find parallels for easy 'translation' from one conceptual structure to another.
We can always find a cause-and-effect as long as we are thinking in cause-and-effect. We have to transcend cause-and-effect thinking - sometimes called the 'blame game' - in order to make sense of it all. Cause-and-effect is a very persuasive place to posit from - it's called karma in other streams, but it does have it's limitations.
But there is validity to what is being described. Example: I have a knee-jerk reaction to certain kinds of women who remind me of my sister. Until I bring that knee-jerk reaction up to the surface of my awareness and actively transform it, I will remain slave to that conditioning I set in motion decades ago with my sister when she wouldn't allow me to use her make-up (or something).
Agree.
You posit the question well.
Well, we shall see. Never say never, but one never knows.
