9/11

[cottonzway]

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[pixelsmith]

what a joke. you actually believe that report? most of the people on that committee had a conflict of interest OR were in on the black flag operation.

 

[cottonzway]

what a joke. you actually believe that report? most of the people on that committee had a conflict of interest OR were in on the black flag operation.

No I don't believe that report. I am pointing out for someone who questions my questions the direct reason to my questions.

 

[auntiegrav]

I couldn't agree with you more.

Anyway. . .

I'd really like to know what people who feel it was a government conspiracy would like to see happen now. Let's say that everything they're theorizing about it is indeed true, who's indicted, how, etc. Are these people alarmed by the fact that Benito Giuliani, who would have been a major player in a conspiracy (if one existed) is now running for president?

If anyone would like to field that "What happens now?" question I'm still quite interested.

We do what we are doing right here; we conduct self-examinations and thought experiments to figure out our own truths and what we can do. We look into the things that we do as a culture to enable such power to be spread among the uncontrollable government. If we think there are conspiracies or not, we should be wondering where the terrorists/cabal gets the cash to perform such acts. Why is our system of political control so complicated when the constitution clearly lays out who has what power? Why is it so hard for the press to print stories containing all the evidence? Why are there so many government documents classified for so many decades?

Bringing a couple of miscreants like Cheney and Rumsfeld to trial (even worse, wasting time with Shrub) is only a distraction from looking into the true power base (the money) and whether or not it actually is under the control of a conspiring group, or if the real root of evil is Blind Faith in Systems, with everyone expecting 'Someone Else' to investigate or change what goes on.

Is our Blind Faith going to cause a collapse in the housing markets, now that petroleum is getting harder to find and the Suburban McMansions are turning into white elephants full of energy-wasting technology and rainforest flooring?
If the government reaches a funding crisis (bankrupt), will it act wisely and ditch the Federal Reserve Banks, print its own money and treat citizens with respect, or will we degrade into a Red State vs. Blue State civil war while the government tries to find enough money to pay the Chinese for computers to run our logistics?

Call a CONgressman? Tell them about the evidence? Ha. They know and they ain't sayin'. Al Martin's book "The Conspirators" covers the depth of corruption in our government politicians.
Could the same people who were running HUNDREDS of false companies to support the anti-communist mercenaries and weapons deals be capable of the 9/11 events? Does anyone who saw Oliver North testify before Congress still think that the government is too incompetent to hide a conspiracy?

I know this rambles, but whenever you get to really digging into the actions of our government, you find that our 'leaders' are really simple followers of the cashflow. Fear makes the cash flow faster than anything else.

It's all in the marketing. That's why there are 4 pages of news and 40 pages of advertising in your local paper.

If you want Change, keep it in your pocket. We have met the terrorists, and then we bought their oil (bin Laden or Exxon, take your pick).

 

[cottonzway]

There is a whole slew of people and groups that coudl have done or had their hand in 9/11. I don't feel pointing the finger soley on a group or person is helpful. They key point is the Commission's report is false, proven false to anyone who dares read it. A fair investigation would bring out the rats once documentation is not longer blocked by Big Brother. Hell, if they just let Sibel Edmonds TALK and others who are gagged by LAW. With the amount of disinformation out there point fingers and keeping them at anyone doesn't really help get a better understanding.

 

[cottonzway]

It's pretty interesting that Rosie O'Donnell coming out speaking on the official 9/11 story is not being covered by the yellow journalist media we know as "our" media. I mean she is a person that people love to talk about and not a peep about this. I don't at all care for her or much of what she says but I give her props for speaking on a topic I care about. It's just "interesting" to see how suppressed her views have been. I wonder why?

 

[CapnG]

It's pretty interesting that Rosie O'Donnell coming out speaking on the official 9/11 story is not being covered by the yellow journalist media we know as "our" media. I mean she is a person that people love to talk about and not a peep about this. I don't at all care for her or much of what she says but I give her props for speaking on a topic I care about. It's just "interesting" to see how suppressed her views have been. I wonder why?

Two possible answers spring to mind:

1) She's only doing it to try and maintain the spotlight now that her feud with The Donald has played out

2) The media moguls feel the public is all full up on Rosie at the moment owing to the aforementioned feud

Conspiratorial concerns should probably be backseated until these options are properly considered.

 

[DVS]

What the hell are you guys talking about? Rosie O'Donell spouts her BS everyday without limit or constraint. Are you complaining that the media doesnt broadcast what she said as if she is some kind of authority that adds credibility to these conspiracies? Thats laughable.


The 9/11 commission is NOT completely 'false' although it has inaccuracies and omissions that can be looked at beyond the report in other capacities. I'm not defending this report as I have said earlier, the complete story isnt there. At the same time Im not giving any credence to the conspiracy theories that the US govt did it. Your best bet to dwell further into 9/11 report inaccuracies, is to read books by Peter Lance, whom these guys should have on their show.


Now Khalid Sheikh Mohammad admits to planning 9/11 and this still isnt good enough, of course he was tortured into admitting! The BS doesnt end.

 

[musictomyears]

Now Khalid Sheikh Mohammad admits to planning 9/11 and this still isnt good enough, of course he was tortured into admitting! The BS doesnt end.

Hang on... Are you saying he has not been tortured? Even the government admits this much.

Have you ever tried to imagine what it would be like to be subjected to water-boarding? They place a piece of plastic film, or towel, over your face, and let water run over it... Until you go insane for fear of drowning. Let me tell you this: I would admit to having single-handedly executed 9/11, the Kennedy assassination, and Pearl Harbour, just to make them stop.

 

[DVS]

Poor KSM, I feel real bad for the guy. Please! He was allegedly water boarded for a whole 2 1/2 minutes! ALLEGEDLY. Its hardly torture, which the definition has been watered down to girl putting big boobs in their faces and playing metallica in an cold air conditioned room. The whole torture crap is being blown out of proportion by terrorists sympathizers, Bush/America haters, conspiracy theorists and those who just cant accept the reality that these guys are actually out to kill innocent civilians around the world. This guy is a card carrying member of Al Queda who was the operational planner for over a decade. This is a known fact.


Did you read his statement? I doubt it. Read it. Its not from a person that was 'tortured into confessing, it was a person who openly confessed to planing numerous attacks, including 9/11 and then more. Quit possibly there are others were involved, except him but he doesnt even try to convince anyone otherwise and he knew exactly what he was saying.

And you hear 'water boarding' and then deem him forced into confession automatically. Then obviously the US are the bad guys who tortured the po' wittle tewwowist. How cute. 8)

 

[CapnG]

Bush/America haters

Awesome, way to generalize. Remember, Bush=America. He's not the president, elected representitive of the people and answerable to the rule of law, he's the f@$#ing PHAROH, hand picked by the gods to rule over the USA...

Most notable about the KSM "confession" is his admitting to things he could not have done. Let's keep in mind the fact that the water-boarding is what they admit to doing....

 

[DVS]

Hey, I am not defending Bush here, I'm not really a big fan of his. I'm just stating an observation both use the water boarding/torture argument as a focal point to criticize either Bush (Rosie O'Donnell, politicians, media) or America (terrorists smpathizers, agenda driven human rights groups, media) as a whole.

Whos not generalizing here? Its not Bush fighting terrorism all by himself, but hes the focal point of criticism. There are actually quite a few other other people in the 1,000s that are included in counterterrorism worldwide that are good educated people doing a service for this country and others Some are probably real bastards. Many risk their lives in places we will ever know of. This war is shady and unconventional by the nature of the enemy. I know all about the CIA's experiments in the past, mind control, etc.. I just dont think government conspiracy with this topic and terrorists rights when the enemy beheads people and targets innocent civilians.

I read all about the interrogation techniques used and it really doensnt bother me. I guess it doesnt bother people that this individual actually planned and succeeded in murdering about 3,000 people and at least a few other terrorist attacks that can be proven because thats not the topic - its water boarding and George Bush . It hard for me to sympathize with people like KSM. I witnessed 9/11 and I used to work across the street, I remember the first bombing and read all about terrorism throughout the 90's. Terrorists did 9/11, thats it. This is why I hate 9/11 conspiracies, and I really didnt come here to argue about them, so I'm retiring from this issue here. Rant over

 

[CapnG]

I read all about the interrogation techniques used and it really doensnt bother me.

Naturally it wouldn't, it's not happening to you and you're not Muslim. Torture isn't simply about pain it's about psychology and knowing how best to break your victim. Room 101 and all that.

I guess it doesnt bother people that this individual actually planned and succeeded in murdering about 3,000 people and at least a few other terrorist attacks that can be proven because thats not the topic - its water boarding and George Bush .

Sure it does, if it's true. Too bad confessions gained as a result of torture are factually worthless. If I tortured you for four years using methods tailored to fit your psyche by the end you'd be confessing to everything from assisinating Kennedy to inventing Cirque du Soleil...

Terrorists did 9/11, thats it. This is why I hate 9/11 conspiracies, and I really didnt come here to argue about them, so I'm retiring from this issue here. Rant over

I'm not trying to disuade you from that belief.

 

[cottonzway]

Hey, I am not defending Bush here, I'm not really a big fan of his. I'm just stating an observation both use the water boarding/torture argument as a focal point to criticize either Bush (Rosie O'Donnell, politicians, media) or America (terrorists smpathizers, agenda driven human rights groups, media) as a whole.

Whos not generalizing here? Its not Bush fighting terrorism all by himself, but hes the focal point of criticism. There are actually quite a few other other people in the 1,000s that are included in counterterrorism worldwide that are good educated people doing a service for this country and others Some are probably real bastards. Many risk their lives in places we will ever know of. This war is shady and unconventional by the nature of the enemy. I know all about the CIA's experiments in the past, mind control, etc.. I just dont think government conspiracy with this topic and terrorists rights when the enemy beheads people and targets innocent civilians.

I read all about the interrogation techniques used and it really doensnt bother me. I guess it doesnt bother people that this individual actually planned and succeeded in murdering about 3,000 people and at least a few other terrorist attacks that can be proven because thats not the topic - its water boarding and George Bush . It hard for me to sympathize with people like KSM. I witnessed 9/11 and I used to work across the street, I remember the first bombing and read all about terrorism throughout the 90's. Terrorists did 9/11, thats it. This is why I hate 9/11 conspiracies, and I really didnt come here to argue about them, so I'm retiring from this issue here. Rant over

We differ and it doesn't make sense to even try to go over why to I disagree with you. The only thing I will offer to you to come to a true understanding of the 9/11 topic (not one provided for you by FOX or Alex Jones) is to read the Commission's own report. Every American should read the Commission's findnings regardless.

 

[musictomyears]

I read all about the interrogation techniques used and it really doensnt bother me.

It doesn't bother you that the US is now, around the globe, associated with secret prison camps, illegal "rendition" programs, and domestic surveillance the Stasi would have been proud of? Since 9/11 and the patriot act, the US is on a par with countries like China or Zimbabwe. Ever heard of Abu Ghraib? Ever heard of the fact that most of the Gitmo detainees have been, or will be, freed after years of imprisonment, without charge, trial or conviction - and without as much as an apology?

You don't mind when your neighbour gets tortured? So you must believe that two wrongs make a right. And that's not even considering the possibility that 9/11 was an inside job.

 

[cottonzway]

Probably one of those most disgusting things I've read related to the 9/11 topic is what I'll post below. Regardless of your views on the topic this should make you angry:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070324/us_nm/sept11_remains_dc

 

[hopeful skeptic]

It doesn't bother you that the US is now, around the globe, associated with secret prison camps, illegal "rendition" programs, and domestic surveillance the Stasi would have been proud of? Since 9/11 and the patriot act, the US is on a par with countries like China or Zimbabwe. Ever heard of Abu Ghraib? Ever heard of the fact that most of the Gitmo detainees have been, or will be, freed after years of imprisonment, without charge, trial or conviction - and without as much as an apology?

You don't mind when your neighbour gets tortured? So you must believe that two wrongs make a right. And that's not even considering the possibility that 9/11 was an inside job.

Inside, I'm crying.

 

[pixelsmith]

...And that's not even considering the possibility that 9/11 was an inside job.


a possibilty? BS!

IMO it is pure fact that this administration was behind this black flag operation.

 

[Aaron LeClair]

...And that's not even considering the possibility that 9/11 was an inside job.


a possibilty? BS!

IMO it is pure fact that this administration was behind this black flag operation.

In your opinion it is a fact. Interesting statement. I don't usually hear/see that much. It's either, "IMO", or "it's a fact".

 

[hopeful skeptic]

IMO it is pure fact that this administration was behind this black flag operation.

And now, I'm crying harder.