A Troubling Observation About UFO Reality

[Creepy Green Light]

See this: Case Studies In Pilot Misperceptions Of "UFOs"

Ok, I guess what I mean with either an "A or B" thing is when referencing a photo and or video. In other words, if there is a photo of say one of Billy Meier's ships, McMinnville or Ed Walters, those things are so detailed (and extra sharp with Meier & Walters) is that it's either the real thing, or a hoax. When examining these photo's - those are the only two options regarding what it can be.

Thanks for including that link btw.

 

[Creepy Green Light]

It's like saying that these two photo's don't show THE SAME EXACT THING, therefore you're still going to believe the Adamski UFO is real (even though we all know it's made out of lantern parts and other stuff). Same with the truck mirror. Even if one was a little hesitant with the truck mirror the listed mast/post seals the deal. I think most people don't want to think that they've been burned for the last 50 years (or so) by some peasant farmer from Orygun.

 

[Trajanus]

It's like saying that these two photo's don't show THE SAME EXACT THING, therefore you're still going to believe the Adamski UFO is real

Much of what Adamski claimed was obviously nonsense and he was possibly a disinfo agent, as Redfern's evidence suggests (in other words he never expected to be generally believed; his purpose was just to sully the whole field with patently ridiculous claims and fakes). In contrast, the Trents were just simpletons. If Adamski was working for the government, it wouldn't be surprising if he was able to get a cleverly constructed model. IIRC the photo dates from '65--plenty of time for the art of UFO fakery to make strides. Trent was different. The modern UFO era wasn't quite three years old at the time. And there's no evidence, to my knowledge, that he was experienced in that sort of thing. Was a truck mirror ever found in his place like a model was found in Meier's? Was he ever seen practicing with a mirror or model? He wasn't even very bright.

Same with the truck mirror. Even if one was a little hesitant with the truck mirror the listed mast/post seals the deal.

Tell that to Rudiak. Lack of an exact match is far from the only issue. I already posted the link with his highly informed commentary.

I think most people don't want to think that they've been burned for the last 50 years (or so) by some peasant farmer from Orygun.

And I don't think they were.

 

[Jeff Davis]

It's like saying that these two photo's don't show THE SAME EXACT THING, therefore you're still going to be the Adamski UFO is real (even though we all know it's made out of lantern parts and other stuff). Same with the truck mirror. Even if one was a little hesitant with the truck mirror the listed mast/post seals the deal. I think most people don't want to think that they've been burned for the last 50 years (or so) by some peasant farmer from Orygun.

I have always found it somewhat fascinating that there were such similarities between the Adamski hoaxes and what Sgt. Anthony Dodd and Constable Alan Dale claimed to see and how much it resembled Adamski's contraption.

It seems to me that that some form of clandestine organization have always involved themselves throughout UFO culture's contemporary history helping to forward and perpetrate certain specific UFO memes. As if to intentionally program the collective consciousness of the UFO curious public with specific imagery. Alfred Hitchcock was famous for not so much directing the on set actors that portrayed the characters within his movies, but rather by directing his audiences via his mastery of the highly predictable manipulative factors that are anticipation and image associations. As the audience watched his films, Hitchcock managed to elicit a suspenseful prescience within the viewers. The manner in which his use of imagery preconditionally programmed the welcoming impressionable subconscious minds of his audiences was to it's desired effect, as great as any slight of hand artist's use of the powerful tool that is misdirection. Images would routinely trigger sequential anticipation of the movie's suspenseful unfolding before it would reach the typically synchronized visual development we'd expect solely on the screen. His audiences would literally gasp, squirm, and jump in their seats just before the scenes played out on the screen. They were, according to Hitchcock's directorial design, presciently responding to events yet to have been actualized on screen.

Could this type of preconditional image based programming be one of the sequentially actuating components, that are often associated with what has been carelessly and derisively defined as "UFO mass hysteria"? Possibly nontemporal, or presciently relevant information within the subconscious mind, triggers a developmental process within the lateral intraparietal cortex (LIP) of the brain, unlocking a type of experientially relevant informational mating or synchronization process between nontemporal and temporal resulting in the integrated informational, or Phi construct. The results being more or less the sequential blending of nontemporal subconscious information, and immediate environmental temporally information, in what is a quasi self induced hypnotic state. A Phi visionary experience within the mind's of SOME UFO witnesses.

 

[Creepy Green Light]

He wasn't even very bright.

But yet he is the one person on the face of the Earth that has captured a genuine flying saucer on film! It's a miracle!!!

 

[Creepy Green Light]

So I might as well ask; Do you think Heflin's photo's depict a flying saucer from another planet or the wheel of a model train?

One picture is Heflin's UFO and the other is the train wheel. (So a more appropriate sentence would be "Here are two pictures of a wheel of a model train.)

 

[Randall]

Ok, I guess what I mean with either an "A or B" thing is when referencing a photo and or video. In other words, if there is a photo of say one of Billy Meier's ships, McMinnville or Ed Walters, those things are so detailed (and extra sharp with Meier & Walters) is that it's either the real thing, or a hoax. When examining these photo's - those are the only two options regarding what it can be.

Thanks for including that link btw.

NP. Specific context can make a big difference when interpreting things. In theory, it's possible that someone might get a pretty good picture of a mundane object under circumstances that aren't faked, that looks strange, and is interpreted as a UFO for at least a while. While trying to find an example I ran across the story below. It's not what I was after, but it's still fairly interesting in its own right.

Balloon Story With Parallels to Roswell

 

[Creepy Green Light]

NP. Specific context can make a big difference when interpreting things. In theory, it's possible that someone might get a pretty good picture of a mundane object under circumstances that aren't faked, that looks strange, and is interpreted as a UFO for at least a while. While trying to find an example I ran across the story below. It's not what I was after, but it's still fairly interesting in its own right.

Balloon Story With Parallels to Roswell

Great vid. This isn't one of the videos/photo's that would fall into my A or B category simply because it shows no structure - it's just round.

Here's another one that's either A or B (as it can be nothing else);

 

[Creepy Green Light]

Much of what Adamski claimed was obviously nonsense and he was possibly a disinfo agent, as Redfern's evidence suggests (in other words he never expected to be generally believed; his purpose was just to sully the whole field with patently ridiculous claims and fakes). In contrast, the Trents were just simpletons. If Adamski was working for the government, it wouldn't be surprising if he was able to get a cleverly constructed model. IIRC the photo dates from '65--plenty of time for the art of UFO fakery to make strides. Trent was different. The modern UFO era wasn't quite three years old at the time. And there's no evidence, to my knowledge, that he was experienced in that sort of thing. Was a truck mirror ever found in his place like a model was found in Meier's? Was he ever seen practicing with a mirror or model? He wasn't even very bright.



Tell that to Rudiak. Lack of an exact match is far from the only issue. I already posted the link with his highly informed commentary.




And I don't think they were.

I'm glad you have anointed Rudiak as the Holy Grail authority on the Trent photo's.

 

[Trajanus]

But yet he is the one person on the face of the Earth that has captured a genuine flying saucer on film! It's a miracle!!!

There have been many relatively clear pics of UFOs other than Trent. There's Drakensburg and one photographed in Central America around 1971, to cite two examples.

 

[Trajanus]

I'm glad you have anointed Rudiak as the Holy Grail authority on the Trent photo's.

In part he cites previous work, like Maccabee.

 

[Jeff Davis]

So I might as well ask; Do you think Heflin's photo's depict a flying saucer from another planet or the wheel of a model train?

One picture is Heflin's UFO and the other is the train wheel. (So a more appropriate sentence would be "Here are two pictures of a wheel of a model train.)

If I'm not mistaken, automobile mirrors also had a good deal to do with this hoax as well. I so vividly remember as a kid reading every paper back I could get my hands on that centered themselves on the UFO subject. Rex's photo was a mainstay in the middle plate sections of most of these books and was always declared as being uncontested with respect to genuine photographs of UFOs. Musta made Rex smile ear to ear and chuckle every time he picked up one at the local drugstore. As a talented hobbyist, Rex was both an avid train modeler and photographer with a locally understood propensity, as well as an established reputation, for being a practical joker. Obviously, not much effort was applied in those days with respect to vetting or an ironclad authentication process. Everyone was too busy looking for evidence to fit Keyhoe's hypothesis I guess.

 

[Creepy Green Light]

If I'm not mistaken, automobile mirrors also had a good deal to do with this hoax as well. I so vividly remember as a kid reading every paper back I could get my hands on that centered themselves on the UFO subject. Rex's photo was a mainstay in the middle plate sections of most of these books and was always declared as being uncontested with respect to genuine photographs of UFOs. Musta made Rex smile ear to ear and chuckle every time he picked up one at the local drugstore. As a talented hobbyist, Rex was both an avid train modeler and photographer with a locally understood propensity, as well as an established reputation, for being a practical joker. Obviously, not much effort was applied in those days with respect to vetting or an ironclad authentication process. Everyone was too busy looking for evidence to fit Keyhoe's hypothesis I guess.

Great post & what you said about Rex is accurate. I'm sure though somebody else is saying "well the object on the right isn't EXACTLY like the object on the left - therefore Rex's photo shows a real flying saucer."

 

[Creepy Green Light]

If I'm not mistaken, automobile mirrors also had a good deal to do with this hoax as well. I so vividly remember as a kid reading every paper back I could get my hands on that centered themselves on the UFO subject. Rex's photo was a mainstay in the middle plate sections of most of these books and was always declared as being uncontested with respect to genuine photographs of UFOs. Musta made Rex smile ear to ear and chuckle every time he picked up one at the local drugstore. As a talented hobbyist, Rex was both an avid train modeler and photographer with a locally understood propensity, as well as an established reputation, for being a practical joker. Obviously, not much effort was applied in those days with respect to vetting or an ironclad authentication process. Everyone was too busy looking for evidence to fit Keyhoe's hypothesis I guess.

Here's your pic of Rex smiling ear to ear ;

 

[Trajanus]

Jeff Davis, not everyone has that view of Heflin. There are sites where people argued pro and con after the train wheel claim, and it seems like another inconclusive case. It is interesting, though, that the "practical joker" did not initially report a UFO but assumed it was a contraption from a nearby Marine base.

 

[Creepy Green Light]

Jeff Davis, not everyone has that view of Heflin. There are sites where people argued pro and con after the train wheel claim, and it seems like another inconclusive case. It is interesting, though, that the "practical joker" did not initially report a UFO but assumed it was a contraption from a nearby Marine base.

Wow. "Another inconclusive case"??? You really are a 100% believer. I at least give you credit for sticking to your guns, no matter what.

Here's another video that is "inconclusive";

 

[Trajanus]

Suppose you address specific points I raised, and those Rudiak made in his comments.

 

[Creepy Green Light]

Wow. "Another inconclusive case"??? You really are a 100% believer. I at least give you credit for sticking to your guns, no matter what.

Here's another video that is "inconclusive";

It's actually fascinating and mind boggling that this guy thought this video was real. My 8 year old daughter laughed at it saying it was a ridiculous fake. Yet this guy used to work for NASA? Lord, we are all in trouble then.

 

[Trajanus]

My 8 year old daughter laughed at it saying it was a ridiculous fake.

Chip off the old block.

Yet this guy used to work for NASA? Lord, we are all in trouble then.

Oechsler has been accused of spreading disinformation. It wouldn't be surprising if he stood up for a bad case, hoping to muddy the field. Still, you'd do better to refute his specific points, if you can, instead of posting this.

 

[victimized]

Scientists/occultists build machines to cause the attack upon natural fusion of a nuclear condition that they do not own.......Earth owns the natural evolution of its own nuclear.

Human life did not exist on Earth in the nuclear condition, which is why we are getting attacked.

Obviously the scientist is not as intelligent as he believes he is, for no building is going to protect natural life from the natural condition it once owned. A natural condition altered unnaturally due to nuclear conversion.

Humanity should be aware that nuclear dust exists on Earth in the natural environment. It is taken into a building to change its fusion....yet the natural product still exists outside in environment.

The atmosphere of Earth was once naturally interacting with the nuclear dust and science has changed this condition.

We already have the answer to the attack on life, it is caused by science.