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Constance, did you see the comments in this blog from a few years back? You may better relate to some of them than those of Jeff Davis. :) Quite a sophisticated discussion. Rudiak is brilliant.

Yes, I had read this blog and the lengthy comments following it several years ago. I'm glad you posted the link to it here and hope everyone following this thread will read it. I read it all again today and agree that Rudiak's contributions are, as always, brilliant. I saw the comments made by Steve Sawyer toward the end and did recognize in them some of what @Jeff Davis has been talking about.
 
metal orbital - Google Search

High School Chemistry/Shapes of Atomic Orbitals - Wikibooks, open books for an open world

Why does anyone need to question a manifesting metallic orbital?

We all know that the nuclear fusion on Earth has been converted, and fusion relates to crystalline structures and also metallic structures.

If you alter the condition for fusion, then obviously you would witness the cause and effects of signal changes as a manifestation of change.

Science is destroying the condition for natural metallic fusion.

If you asked yourself how could a moving metallic object be formed, then we already have the answers.

1. a changed magnetic field that has shifted.
2. metals are magnetic and magnetic shifting would cause movement/flow
3. gases burn in the atmospheric body and would interact with the metal, causing its disintegration or heating.
4. out of space radiation particle would be larger than Earth's fusion, as Earth was converted from its origin state.

We see metallic orbs, we see the materialization of rings around a metallic orb, we see the fusion occur of the orbital state due to unnatural gas reactions.
 
Yes, I had read this blog and the lengthy comments following it several years ago. I'm glad you posted the link to it here and hope everyone following this thread will read it. I read it all again today and agree that Rudiak's contributions are, as always, brilliant.

I may not agree with everything Rudiak says; I have doubts about the Ramey memo being decipherable. But time and time again, his commentary has been enlightening. :)
 
Agree with many comments about UFO observations and the eyewitness interpretation during any event horror and fear is one aspect will effect the observation. Remembering one of my own it was large orange object with some odd craft type inside the orb a classic egg shape and odd looking creature inside. The other was the classic car power outage and losing control of the vechile swamp are around both side and fellow eyewitness horror and fear with slow down in time and missing time . The event went so quick and yes fear can play tricks on my mind. However , its like experience of being shot at or having some crazy person trying to butcher you with axe it stays with you. The current news about new planets discoveries gives glimpse maybe where some of these so called UFO occupants come from (not discarding local humans) and Hunting for Planets Around Proxima Centauri - Sky & Telescope Is Mars really dead? and its Moons? Will China and Russia reveal the cloaked secrets? or another Snowden (not just from USA)?

Wonder if a dimensional corridors surround the Earth Magnetic Field and maybe some of these UFO can manipulate the waves?


If so called ET? why used a so called (blue flame would it mean some type of combustion technology ) and was the so called UFO? just part of the early U.S. Military Moon mission devices ?
Socorro, NM - April 24, 1964
 
The current news about new planets discoveries gives glimpse maybe where some of these so called UFO occupants come from

As far as I know, no really Earthlike exoplanet has been found yet. Proximab may be tidally locked and essentially uninhabitable. Still, the fact that thousands of exoplanets are now known, and MILLIONS of Earthlike planets are thought to exist in just our galaxy, strengthens the possibly of alien life and the case for the ETH.

Is Mars really dead?

Probably. Never mind what Brandenburg says.:)

Will China and Russia reveal the cloaked secrets? or another Snowden (not just from USA)?

Don't bet on it.

If so called ET? why used a so called (blue flame would it mean some type of combustion technology )

IIRC Zamora said it went out as the craft rose and flew away. Smaller scout craft may not be as technically advanced as larger ones.

and was the so called UFO? just part of the early U.S. Military Moon mission devices ?

Lol, if it was, it wouldn't be a theory but a documented fact. Why do you think there was a recent claim (itself discredited) about students faking it? The older prosaic explanations don't work.
 
If so called ET? why used a so called (blue flame would it mean some type of combustion technology ) and was the so called UFO? just part of the early U.S. Military Moon mission devices ?
Socorro, NM - April 24, 1964
In total agreement there. Rocket powered alien craft? Not likely. Rocket powered craft built by humans. Very likely. Back in the Early Modern Era of ufology ( 1947-1972 ) whenever the object in question could have been built by humans with known technology, it probably was, or at least there's no need to invoke alien technology, and therefore there's no logical reason to class it as a UFO. I think it's entirely possible that some secret military projects never became public knowledge and that all the materials were eventually destroyed. Additionally the assumption that the Socorro craft was of NASA or US Military origin is only one Earthly possibility.
 
In total agreement there. Rocket powered alien craft? Not likely. Rocket powered craft built by humans. Very likely. Back in the Early Modern Era of ufology ( 1947-1972 ) whenever the object in question could have been built by humans with known technology, it probably was, or at least there's no need to invoke alien technology, and therefore there's no logical reason to class it as a UFO.


In fact there have been a number of reports of rocket powered UFOs, and other kinds of "obsolete" gear seen inside them. In one c 1965 case, a rocketlike craft was seen with humanoids that looked like beer cans with stick like appendages. I think we can safely rule out a government craft...And btw again, from what I recall about Socorro, the craft wasn't entirely dependent on its rocket.


I think it's entirely possible that some secret military projects never became public knowledge and that all the materials were eventually destroyed. Additionally the assumption that the Socorro craft was of NASA or US Military origin is only one Earthly possibility.

After over a half a century, any technology associated with a government--or any other Earthly--project is likely to be antiquated. Given that, and the eagerness of the government and skeptics to debunk UFO reports, any prosaic explanation probably would've been revealed long ago. Bear in mind that projects involve considerable numbers of people, and they would've been aware of the publicity surrounding a sighting of their "project." Yet nobody has come forward in decades....I very much doubt debunkers would've conjured up the absurd "student prank" claim had there been any better alternative.
 
I think it is entirely possible that the "Blue flame" being a rocket was Zamora's interpretation only, and could have been something else entirely??

I may be wrong but was it not suggested the sound the craft made on departure (rocket like) could have in fact been an explosion from a nearby quarry??
 
In fact there have been a number of reports of rocket powered UFOs, and other kinds of "obsolete" gear seen inside them. In one c 1965 case, a rocketlike craft was seen with humanoids that looked like beer cans with stick like appendages. I think we can safely rule out a government craft...And btw again, from what I recall about Socorro, the craft wasn't entirely dependent on its rocket.
It may have seemed like the Socorro craft wasn't entirely dependent on rocket or similar combustion based propulsion, but if that assumption is based on the reported silence of the craft upon its departure, then all we need to do is account for the seeming silence, and we can easily do that. The initial blast was reported as being intensely loud and Zamora reported that his ears had been ringing afterwards. After the takeoff blast, he also reported a whining sound.

NIHL ( Noise Induced Hearing Loss ) is a distinct possibility. Rocket and jet engines are very loud and Zamora could not possibly have been immune to this effect. So what probably happened is that the craft blasted of with enough thrust to get quickly airborne, temporarily deafening Zamora, then it throttled back to flight mode ( the softer whining sound ), and moved off into the distance before Zamora's hearing returned to normal, making it seem to have moved off in relative silence. Within a short span of time, most of Zamora's hearing then returned, and in all the excitement the NIHL phenomenon was probably overlooked.

After over a half a century, any technology associated with a government--or any other Earthly--project is likely to be antiquated. Given that, and the eagerness of the government and skeptics to debunk UFO reports, any prosaic explanation probably would've been revealed long ago. Bear in mind that projects involve considerable numbers of people, and they would've been aware of the publicity surrounding a sighting of their "project." Yet nobody has come forward in decades....I very much doubt debunkers would've conjured up the absurd "student prank" claim had there been any better alternative.
The technology was available and tests of lunar lander technology were being carried out at White Sands, which isn't all that far away from the location. So again, given that the technology wasn't beyond our capability at the time, and that such technology was being built and tested in the vicinity, I see insufficient reason to think that the Socorro craft was alien. That doesn't mean it wasn't. It just means that IMO, something alien isn't the best explanation.
 
I second @Trajanus's well-reasoned responses, expressed in his last few posts, that if the Socorro craft had in fact been an experimental craft developed by the US Air Force, that fact would have been demonstrated to the public long ago with actual material proof as well as research and development files concerning its construction. As he wrote:

"After over a half a century, any technology associated with a government--or any other Earthly--project is likely to be antiquated. Given that, and the eagerness of the government and skeptics to debunk UFO reports, any prosaic explanation probably would've been revealed long ago."

 
Re 'the blue flame', the plain fact is that we still do not understand what manipulations of natural forces and processes could account for the appearances and behaviors of ufos witnessed from the air and from the ground on earth. Paul Hill's book and other published research by physicists extrapolates from the basis of what we presently understand about the physics of the universe (concerning the light phenomena and apparent 'colors' generated by ufos as well as their evident propulsions, speeds, and anomalous maneuvres) but reaches a point at which only educated speculation is possible concerning the technologies necessary to produce such phenomena.
 
This question might be naieve (given my lack of schooling in physics and rocket technology), but what is the significance of the fused sand [glasslike debris?] found at the Socorro landing and take-off site? What kinds of energy are required to produce this phenomenon?
 
From the wikipedia page entitled "Lonnie Zamora Incident":


The fused sand[edit]

In 1968, physicist and UFO researcher James E. McDonald located Mary G. Mayes, who asserted that when she was a University of New Mexico doctoral student in radiation biology, she had been asked "to analyze plant material from the Socorro site. Afterwards, she was to turn in all records and samples, and heard no more about it." [21]:218

When interviewed by McDonald, Mayes reported that she and two others had worked on studying physical evidence from the Socorro site, but she could not remember the names of the others. According to Mayes, she had examined the site the day after the event, and had gathered plant samples for analysis. Mayes later determined that the plants which had allegedly been burnt by the UFO's flames were, unusually, "completely dried out".[21]:219 Mayes also found no evidence of radiation, but found "two organic substances" she was unable to identify.[21]:219

Mayes also reported to McDonald an area of apparently "fused sand", where the sand had taken on a glassy appearance, near where the object had allegedly landed and then departed. The area of glassy sand was roughly triangular, measuring about 25 to 30 inches (760 mm) at its widest, though it gradually tapered down to about 1 inch wide; it seemed about a quarter of an inch thick. Mayes thought the glassy areas looked as if a "hot jet hit it." [21]:219"

Lonnie Zamora incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
You talk about conditions of combustion that have also been witnessed in human combustion....a blue flame coming out of the body.

Our atmospheric body in its natural state is a blue body.

So you should ask yourselves what unnatural condition belongs on Planet Earth that is destroying natural life on Earth?

Science, the ancient science known as the condition occultism.

Occultism as a review states that it conjures the presence of evil.

We witness the UFO condition, state that the signals formed in the atmosphere look like nuclear atomic orbital fused interactions and then have a query?

The subject of conversion states, Earth's natural atmospheric body kept fusion fused. To change fusion you have to attack fusion. We then see the attack condition in our atmosphere and our mind states that the UFO condition is an attack on life.

There is nothing to query, science is demonstrating to us all that they are destroying our Nature via all of the new forms of secret experiments they are conducting on the Earth's atmospheric body and Nature.

We already have a slow applied life destruction technique...the removal of the mass of uranium/plutonium dust as a nuclear mass supporting natural life on Earth. Natural life demonstrated that it began to deteriorate slowly in this condition. Yet it also demonstrated that cases of unnatural combustion were being reported as a blue flame coming out of the human body.

The human body a large percent of water using oxygen.

When you review how a human mind gained information relative to conversion, the atmospheric mind fed back advice is the reason. Recording of interactions in image and light and sound values gave image to the human mind seeking information relating to conversion.

As the atmosphere is naturally blue, the condition for a change to the atmosphere is seen in the cloud condition. We also see the cloud condition forming nuclear sound images of UFO formations since nuclear science was applied.

Therefore the conditions of our atmosphere are beginning to demonstrate that they are unnaturally changing due to a loss of natural fusion.

Everyone of us should consider the conditions of what nuclear mass as dust actually means for Planet Earth, its atmosphere and Nature......is it natural to remove a condition that exists as a mass and belongs to a nuclear interaction?

Wikipedia
A blue-colored flame only emerges when the amount of soot decreases and the blue emissions from excited molecular radicals become dominant, though the blue can often be seen near the base of candles where airborne soot is less concentrated.[5]Soot [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English']/ˈsʊt/ is a mass of impure carbon particles resulting from the incomplete combustion of hydrocarbons.[1] [/URL]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flame#cite_note-5
Advice from the study of the atmosphere states that it now has a large amount of carbon, so we should ask scientists what is unnatural about your science.

First of all is to be advised that dust was considered by ancient occultists to be holy. When a human being considers a condition is holy they pay reverence to it, they do not destroy it.

Secondly the destruction of the dust forms an unnatural state to Earth's natural atmospheric body, that still interacts with the power plants, outside nuclear dust and communications occurring inside the power plant. As Earth in its natural state has allowed for all forms of inventive machinery, the machinery is created from stone resourcing also.

Thirdly the fuel is burnt.

If we review the stories about what the ancient scientist considered about alteration to the nuclear of Earth's stone as a Philosophy, their story advised as a review of cause and effect that the Earth's atmospheric mass protects Earth from inva SION...the UFO manifestation. The story is a realization that out of space radiation...the Sun has much larger nuclear particles than Earth's nuclear. These giant particles were neutralized by the atmospheric PHI condition called a review as David, holiness. The review of the PHI condition states that the PHI David defeated the giant particles.

As nuclear science has converted natural healed (evolved) nuclear atmospheric sound, the holy condition is lessening and we are beginning to witness the destruction of Earth's atmospheric state.
 
Some additional information concerning various first responders' comments on ground traces, including indentations and burned/burning/smoking vegetation, at the Socorro site. Of particular interest is Sgt. Chavez's statement that still smoking plants he touched "felt cold."

Extract:

"Multiple policemen arrived soon after to help investigate, including Ted Jordan and James Luckie. All noted fresh burning at the site. Luckie and Chavez were quoted in the Socorro newspaper saying that clumps of grass and burned greasewood bushes were "still hot" when they arrived. Chavez was also quoted saying that dry grass was still "smoldering" as were the greasewood plants. Jordan later filled out a sworn statement saying, "When I arrived, greasewood branches were still smoking." Zamora was likewise quoted about the green bush "burned bare by exhaust heat" and that it was "still smoking several minutes after the craft's departure."The FBI report written by the agent on the scene within two hours similarly reported that all first responders noted "four irregularly shaped smouldering areas."

Chavez was again quoted in an Air Force report written two days later about smoking brush. “[Chavez] then went to the area w[h]ere the craft or thing was supposedly sighted and found four fresh indentations in the ground and several charred or burned bushes. Smoke appeared to come from the bush and he assumed it was burning, however no coals were visible and the charred portions of the bush were cold to the touch.”

Chavez was further reported securing the area and scouring the ground looking for the presence of other human activity. He could find no other tire tracks besides Zamora's and was "adamant" that there was no other "track activity" (footprints or other marks) in the area. In addition, Chavez was also quoted in the report saying that the indentations appeared to be new: "He stated that the marks were definitely 'fresh', and the dirt showed evidence of 'dew' or moisture."

Similarly, several policeman later told Stanford th[at] whatever had produced the rectangular, wedge-shaped landing traces appeared to have penetrated into the moist subsoil, as the bottoms of the traces were moist for several hours, suggesting that the traces were freshly made. Hynek also commented on the freshness of the soil impressions in a letter to astronomer Donald Menzel: "I have the word of nine witnesses who saw the marks within hours of the incident, who tell me the center of the marks were moist as though the topsoil had been freshly pushed aside."

The FBI investigator also observed that the rectangular marks "seemed to have been made by an object going into the earth at an angle from a center line" pushing "some earth to the far side." Also observed were "three circular marks in the earth which were small, approximately four inches in diameter and penetrated in the sandy earth approximately one-eighth of an inch." Speculation in Stanford's book was that these were ladder indentations for the crew to exit and enter the craft."

UFO, UFO Video, Police Witness, Officer Lonnie Zamora Credible UFO Case | <b><i><a href="http://www.educatinghumanity.com">Educating Humanity</a></i></b>
 
A further extract from the above text:

"Air Force investigation

The evening of the encounter, Army Captain Richard T. Holder (then the senior officer at White Sands, as the higher-ranking officers had gone home for the weekend) and FBI agent Arthur Byrnes, Jr. together interviewed Zamora. However, for reasons that remain unclear, the FBI asked that their presence at the scene be kept quiet. Zamora speculated that the object was some kind of newly-developed craft being tested at White Sands Missile Range or at nearby Holloman Air Force Base. Holder shot down this idea, and was later quoted in a Socorro newspaper as saying, that there was in military custody "no object that would compare to the object described ... There was no known firing mission in progress at the time of the occurrence that would produce the conditions reported."

After interviewing Zamora, Holder and several military police officers went to the scene. Using flashlights, they cordoned off the site, took measurements and took samples of the sand and the scorched bushes. The claim of "fused sand" being recovered from the landing site was for some time unsubstantiated; even Hynek said he had not heard such rumors during his investigations.

The next morning, a Sunday, Holder took a telephone call from a Colonel at the Joint Chiefs of Staff. As a young Captain, Holder was surprised and nervous to be speaking to such an important, high-ranking officer. At the Colonel's command, Holder gave a report of his investigation over a secure scrambled line. Even years later, Holder would wonder about such important U.S. military officials, "why in the world were they so interested?"
 
Good responses and listening to eyewitness after the event

US Military perspective gives more of a clue not a hoax. More plausible US Military Technology ( combustion/ nuclear technologies ) (glass sand) (Now this might correlate with Dr Brandenburg theories on Mars;). Foreign operatives technologies during the Cold War (Lets not forget circus folks were used for operations:D in Europe small folks ) why not have US circus recruits on operations to prevent counter espionage . Folks can get caught up in these events or eyewitness they don't always broadcast them to local police.
 
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I wouldn't say it military at all, for technology existed in the ancient past also in similar conditions via archaeological evidence.....human male choice/application by invention.

The evidence as a review relates to the conditions of occultism, occultism is the ancient word for science. The modern name change science was given to the known circumstance of occultism and how it affects the consciousness, as a self realized condition named....con science.

In Russia, golden metallic rotating implants found embedded in the stone.
Human cell life attacked by the UFO artificial stone conversion signals....nuclear orbital fusion conditions changed artificially to gain a fuel/combustion. Human cell condition also gained a metallic implant beneath skin.

The ancient occult review, the holiness of blood...changing blood causes stigmata..unnatural changes to the brain/mind...a review of PHI prophetic calculated events, unnatural blood ooze from the cellular body. Blood holiness, the fusion of iron in the Earth stone.

Human life blue flame witnessed in combustion.
Atmospheric/UFO condition witness of blue flame and combustion.

The effect of the loss of stone fusion....sink holes. The condition when reviewed is a contact made with the fusion of stone and the hole "bored" into the Earth. The contact is made by a metal manifested body. The metallic atmospheric body manifestation belongs to various conditions.....larger nuclear metal particle as an out of space particle, a higher carbon body in the atmospheric body, a change to the coldness and presence of atmospheric mass.

The metallic UFO manifestation witnessed/photographed in the sky.......out of space larger metallic nuclear particles from the sun stream....hotter than cooled ancient black body radiation or a scientific review of cold fusion.

Experiments and conversion demonstrate the attack...the UFO condition known to be an attack and stated by the human psyche to come from out of space.

The ancient occult review of the heavenly atmospheric attack, the condition named as God, a rotating signal caused by altering the angel-angle of the PHI signals evolving in the atmospheric body by the cooling effect. The occult review of the God Heaven stated that the angelic sounds protect Earth from attack.

The alphabeta constant....calculation review of the cause and effect irradiation life attack via alpha bet angle/letter/numerical value.

G begins the sequence to align to the KEYS that attacked Earth by increment review of 20. Law of Stone broken at 40 when Mt. Sinai face was scorched - blackened face. Value for ST at 40 demonstrates no holy sacrifice present in the timed body of 12, missing AIN. The review of AIN stated "symbolic fish hook/water".

G is given a value increment of 400 and also 400,000
2 Chronicles 13:3
3 Abijah raised an army of 400,000 soldiers, and Jeroboam opposed him with an army of 800,000.

The alpha bet given a 26 value to prove that nuclear time/Earth stone fusion was destroyed/attacked....nuclear time 24.....Revelations 22 as the calculated advice.

13 the value given to M 1000, the value given to Christ 1000 and the value given to Satan 1000.

Chronicles from Chronos meaning time According to Plutarch, the Greeks believed that Cronus was an allegorical name for Chronos.[5] In addition to the name, the story of Cronus eating his children was also interpreted as an allegory to a specific aspect of time held within Cronus' sphere of influence. As the theory went, Cronus represented the destructive ravages of time which consumed all things, a concept that was definitely illustrated when the Titan king devoured the Olympian gods — the past consuming the future, the older generation suppressing the next generation. During the Renaissance, the identification of Cronus and Chronos gave rise to "Father Time" wielding the harvesting scythe. Wikipedia

The ancient review of occult practice places the devil as the scythe cutter of crop circles/patterns on the ground. The devil an evil presence.

The ancient atmospheric fed back advice states that Planet Earth as an origin Planet was previously attacked by black body radiation and converted (explosion of the first sun - a sion condition). The conversion of Planet Earth or its disintegration as a "fast" attack was prevented by the conversion of the origin previous gaseous atmospheric body into oxygen/water. Water fell onto the face of Planet Earth, placing stone beneath water and saved Earth. Yet the act of disintegration of matter was not stopped, it was simply slowed.

Disintegration continued due to the water mass being replaced in the atmosphere allowing the body of stone to be bared because of evaporation.

Since the origin attack Planet Earth has been slowly disintegrating its stone matter into dust/sand accumulation due to the Earth's Sun condition that also exploded in the same attack. The Sun became hotter attacking natural and origin fusion rather than supporting the fusion.

The nuclear fuel creation and removal of the disintegrated dust has sped up the rate of stone disintegration, by harvesting the resources, not allowing an atmospheric cooling replacement evolution to protect Earth by mass of dust as an interactive atmospheric condition.

Water has been witnessed to be involved in the UFO converting signal interaction.

If you review the UFO condition and how "fast" the manifestation/interaction appears and then disappears, then it is obvious a scientific cause and effect.

If you review the condition as a cause and effect of conversion, the metal contact with Earth's stone, holds the signal in place and the changes occurring at the ground level (triangulated signals - leaving indentations) allow the manifestation of the spirit images. Oscillating matter produces the manifestation of image and presence and then change to the oscillations would remove the image and presence.

Triangulated/circular/star shaped signals related to the conditions of Satan/devil.

Therefore how the information is reviewed allows the interaction to be incorrectly discussed.
 
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The alpha bet given a 26 value to prove that nuclear time/Earth stone fusion was destroyed/attacked....nuclear time 24.....Revelations 22 as the calculated advice

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