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This has always puzzled me why did Dr Edward Teller not deny, he knew Lazar, when asked the question by the interviewer in this video? Dr Teller is being associated with claims of Spaceships and Alien beings at Area51, so it makes me wonder, why he would not deny the claim of Lazar knowing him, and why did he get so angry about been asked the question on camera? The part is six minutes into the video.
 
ward said:
I heard that Freidmans investigation into Lazars employment was simply calling Los Alamos National Labs and them denying it. If that's the case then why is his name is listed in a Los Alamos National Labs telephone directory?

That an investigating reporter the caliber of Knapp thinks there is some credibility to him leaves some door open for me on this story.

Yes a lot of the story doesn't make sense but that he knew the flight times of these "objects" and took people out to witness them and ultimately they got caught by law enforcement also speaks volumes that there is something going on with Lazar.
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No No No. We really need to put Bob Lazar to bed. He is a 100% liar. Period. No other option. Let me bullet point some things.

Problems with his Education claims
  • He was a "C" average student in High School. He graduated from W. Tresper Clarke High School in Long Island, New York, in august 1976. He was ranked 261 out of a class of 369. Yet we are to believe that he somehow gained admittance to MIT?
  • There is absolutely no record of Bob Lazar ever attending Cal State University, Northridge. Which he also claimed to have attended in 1976-77 or maybe 78 depending on when he told the story.
  • However, there is a record of Bob Lazar getting a BS in "Physics and Electronic Technology" at Pacifica University via correspondence course in 1978. Pacifica was shut down in 1978 by the State of California for selling degrees.
  • There is absolutely no record of Bob Lazar ever attending MIT.
  • There are enrollment records that indicate he was attending Los Angeles Pierce Collage at the time he was supposed to be attending MIT
  • He was asked to name his masters thesis sponsor from MIT. He said he couldn't remember.
  • The ONLY name he could "recall" was a professor Bill Duxler from Los Angeles Pierce Collage. Though he said the guy worked at Cal Tech. Which he never did.
  • There is absolutely no record of Bob Lazar ever attending Cal Tech.
  • The "Degree" he claims to have from Cal Tech (Masters of Electronics) was never a curriculum there. Nor was that named degree EVER given to ANYONE who has EVER graduated from CalTech. The closest degree would be in Electrical Engineering. Which is NEVER referred to as "Electronics".
  • Lazar claims to have received his Masters from MIT in "Probably eighty two". Though there is absolutely nothing at all in any records listing the name Lazar from 1978 to 1990.
  • Absolutely nobody with credentials and a verified enrollment at MIT or Cal Tech have ever come on record as having remembered Bob Lazar.
  • He is not listed with any Physics professional societies or organizations.
  • He is not listed with any Engineering professional societies or organizations.

So for those of you counting, thats 1 community college, 1 correspondence course, a Masters from MIT and Cal Tech for a "C" student in 8 years.

Problems in his timeline
  • He graduated High School in 1976.
  • Prof. Bill Duxler from Los Angeles Pierce Collage confirms that Lazar was in his class in the late 70's.
  • Claimed to attend Cal State University, Northridge in 1976-77 or 78.
  • He earned a BS. at Pacifica University via correspondence course. In 1978.
  • He married Carol Nadine Strong on July 27, 1980. Listing himself as "Electronics Engineer". This was in Woodland Hills, California by the way. It was witnessed by Chee Leung of Los Angeles and Lois Kurz of Van Nuys and presided over by Rabbi Bernard M. Cohen of Woodland hills.
  • In May of 1982 Bob and Carol moved to Los Alomos were the famous On June 27, 1982 "Honda Jet-Car" article was written.
  • June 28 1982 Dr. Edward Teller held a series of lectures over a few days at Los Alamos and wanted to see the jet-car and its creator. Presumably this is where Lazar met him.
  • Bankruptcy Court documents show that in 1984-85 Lazar borrowed $4k from his mom to buy a brothel in Nevada. (OMNI Magazine - April 1994) It is called the "Reno Brothel" and he renames it "Honeymoon Suckle". So basically he now runs a whore house full time.
  • June 13 1985He and his wife buy a house in Las Vegas.
  • At some point prior to 1986 he starts a photo processing business in Las Vegas.
  • He and his wife Carol split but do not get divorced. Bob lives in Los Alamos where he works at Kirk-Mayer (a supplier of scientific support staff) as a technician. Thats right, this guy has dual Masters degrees and is just a "Technician".
  • April 19, 1986 Lazar marries Tracy Anne Murak in las Vegas having never divorced Carol.
  • April 21, 1986 Carol commits suicide.
  • So Lazar and his new wife decide to move into the Las Vegas house Carol just killed herself in. This happens before the end of the month.
  • In official bankruptcy court documents filed on July 21, 1986 Lazar lists himself as a self-employed film processor and claims to have been such for 6 years. Basically since 1980.
  • Claimed to have worked at Area 51 starting in December 1988.
  • Court records show he had many loans outstanding and not one of them was for education. $15,000 from his father, $72,000 from Los Alomos National Bank, $5,000 from Three minute Loan, and $2,000 from John Horne of Los Alamos. His parents were
  • May 1989 broke his story to George Knapp.

So if you notice the trend everything seems to happen in California. So... when did the guy go to Massachusetts? How was tuition at MIT paid for? How do we reconcile that he was enrolled in a community college at the same time as he was supposedly in school at MIT? How did a C average student get to MIT at all? WELL, maybe he was a late bloomer and was exceptionally bright in regards to physics an whatnot. So he should be able to talk the talk having graduated from MIT and Cal Tech, right? Also, when did he ever work in the scientific community? We know he was a "Technician" for Kirk-Mayer but how did this translate into him landing a job back engineering alien spacecraft? Where is the relevant experience. The guys life is a train wreck for at least 3 or 4 years prior to 88 or 89. So logically how the hell do we go from brothel/photo processor business owner to back-engineer boy?

Problems with his Physics
  • [QOUTE]"There are currently two main theories about gravity. The "wave" theory which states that gravity is a wave, and the other is a theory which includes "gravitons", which are alleged sub-atomic particles which perform as gravity, which by the way, is total nonsense."[/QOUTE] -- General Relativity is the only accepted theory of gravity and is described as a distortion distortion of spacetime.
  • [QOUTE]"The fact that gravity is a wave has caused mainstream scientists to surmise numerous sub-atomic particles which don't actually exist and this has caused great complexity and confusion in the study of particle physics."[/QOUTE] -- There are no particles that whose existence has been postulated as a result of gravitational theories.
  • [QOUTE]"Gravity A is what is currently being labeled as the "strong nuclear force" in mainstream physics ..."[/QOUTE] -- Strong Nuclear Force has absolutely nothing to do with gravity. The strong force couples only to quarks and gluons. The gravitational force couples to all particles with mass. The strong force is extremely short range. The range of gravity is infinite.
  • [QOUTE]"...it should be obvious that a large, single star system, binary star system, or multiple star system would have had more of the prerequisite mass and electromagnetic energy present during their creations.[/QOUTE] -- Heavy elements – all elements heavier than iron – are not formed during the normal life cycles of stars. The only time when these nuclei are "cooked" is during the collapse and subsequent explosion of supernovae. The supernova explosion then spreads heavy elements throughout the galaxy. For this reason, the abundances of heavy elements in any particular star system depend NOT upon the properties of the current star, but on the properties of the nearby stars of the PREVIOUS GENERATION! Therefore, all of the star systems in a particular region of the galaxy will have essentially the same abundances of heavy elements, regardless of the mass of star.
  • Element 115 (UUp) or Ununpentium has a half life of 13.86 - 32 ms. Thats milliseconds, or 0.01386-0.32 seconds. If something exists for only 1/3 of a second how exactly do you accumulate 223 grams of it, then machine it, then contain it to run your flying saucer. Or to steal it by placing i in an old 35mm film canister to then take home and set on your book shelf prior to the MIB stealing it back?

The conclusion is a simple one. The U.S. Navy need a person familiar with photo-processing equipment. They, through some means, found Lazar and contracted with him to come out the the Groom Lake facility to repair (or something similar) the equipment. They paid him some paltry sum and brought him out to the base were while there he probably ate in the base cafeteria and perhaps had to enter several buildings to do the job he was hired for. Thus his knowledge of the base is explained and Knapp need not be hanged for being a bad journalist. Everything leads to something just that simple.

in short the guy is a stinking liar. To accept anything he says is at best naive.
 
Hi Ron,
Mr Bob Lazar is' interesting' how many people do you know in work life have ended up in a job position with some or little education?
So called black projects would not be governed by normal society rules and regulations that's why they are called black projects.
During wartime how many stories have you heard of people being placed in high security locations with little or no education. In addition, being sent to secret locations to work.

The Intel world is in constant wartime :)
 
blowfish said:
Hi Ron,
Mr Bob Lazar is' interesting' how many people do you know in work life have ended up in a job position with some or little education?
So called black projects would not be governed by normal society rules and regulations that's why they are called black projects.
During wartime how many stories have you heard of people being placed in high security locations with little or no education. In addition, being sent to secret locations to work.
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In life I know several people that hold positions that probably should not on paper. Bill Gates was a university drop out. I think it is safe to say he did alright. But, he could talk the talk and walk the walk. Lazar can do neither.

I have known a few hackers that under excelled in academia and in business but really know their stuff. Again, they can talk the talk and walk the walk.

In wartime the "battlefield promotion" is a necessity. Time is too short and satisfying an important objective is too urgent to do otherwise. To a much lesser degree I think that is kind of what happened.... in a way. I think the Navy desperately needed to get some equipment serviced and had some difficulty doing it for whatever reason. Somebody with shiny silver colored things attached to their lapel ordered some butterbar to crack a phone book get the damned equipment serviced. He then made a determination that this guy(Lazar) was not going to be in any compromising locations or otherwise in a position to see things he shouldn't. The need to satisfy the objective and his perception of the risk involved (by all standards low) facilitated the delivery of that one crucial element to the Lazar story. The little stub that says "Naval Intelligence" on it. Without this, the story is much less sexy. This combined with Lazar running his jet-cars at long flat spaces in the desert where you just happen to have a good view of real test craft from the base helped him fabricate this epic whopper.

He took John Lear out there to see what he had seen, Lear also being significantly unhinged from reality sung his praises to Knapp. Knapp interviewed him, and to Lazars credit the guy can act. Knapp bought it and did a bit of research prompted by the inventive Lazar and punctuated. by being able to answer some basic questions about the base from his time fixing the equipment. Knapp was sold and now you have a very respected reporter in Las Vegas touting his story. there you go. Instant urban legend.
 
Hi Ron,

Have you worked in Black Projects?

Did you ever speak to Mr Bob Lazar face to face?

I am just interested in the mechanism behind the whole story and he most likely have been monitored for his actions.
 
Look, Bob Lazar is a liar. Ron has documented the high points... Stan's look into his background was extensive. It wasn't as if someone else was telling these lies about Lazar - it was Lazar himself.

So why would we trust anything the man ever says, when he can't even be honest about who he is?

Liar. 100%. Proven over and over again, by his own words.
 
Well if going to make statements about Mr Bob Lazar you should a least of worked in those black project! don't you think?

Also speak to him face to face?

Unless you in the loop you are getting outside information and you need eyewitness individuals who worked alongside Mr Bob Lazar to get the whole picture.

Maybe some might convince Mr Bob Lazar to come on Paracast .

Also like to see Farrell and guest host Paul have a debate on the the so called Bell Project? Now that would be a classic show:)

Peace,
BF
 
Christopher O'Brien said:
I agree: how about it Paul? Would you be interested? I can attempt to make this happen... I can be the resident "fly-on-the-wall...
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Thanks, Chris, but I have no interest in dignifying Farrell's crackpot balderdash by sharing a stage of any sort with him and acting as if we're equals of some sort. He and I live in two different worlds - mine is the real world, and his is a made-up fantasy world.

Maybe a better show would be Farrell and neo-Nazi Holocaust-denier Ernst Zundel, who also wrote about the whole Nazi flying saucer garbage, including the South Pole angle. http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/z/zundel-ernst/flying-saucers/expedition.html

Meanwhile, all of the Farrell you'll ever need, courtesy of the highly credible geniuses at Project Camelot:


My favourite quote:

"To the Nazis, the atom bomb is already kind of old stuff." [17:05]

Sigh...

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blowfish said:
Well if going to make statements about Mr Bob Lazar you should a least of worked in those black project! don't you think?

Also speak to him face to face?
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I would be happy to call Lazar a liar to his face, should I ever meet him in person. I've done it with other liars, and I have no problem doing it with Lazar.

Of course, it's a moot point, because the odds of us ever meeting in person are somewhere between slim and none.

As for not being able to comment unless one has worked on a black project, even if I agree with you that this is required (and I don't), Lazar has never worked on uber-secret projects either (you know, the whole thing about his lying). You know who has? Stan Friedman. Q clearance for many years. I guess between Lazar and Stan, at least one of them is qualified to talk about top secret projects... and it isn't Lazar.
 
The part is still don't get is there were 4-5 people who all witnessed the lights that Lazar said would be there. Lets see Lear, Huff, Lazar and i think his wife went out that night, Lear set he set up some telescope and saw the object clearly. So you would have to call all of them liars.

On another occasion i think is when law enforcement got them so that's a matter of record if a report was ever filed. At least the officer could be interviewed to see if his story matches Bob, Johns and Gene's for that night.

Also the story about 115 being smuggled out of S4 was finally revealed by John Lear on Dons show Dark Matters.

http://www.dqrm.com/shows/DMR/2011/wk01/dmr-02-t.mp3

I wont reveal it here, its worth a listen.

@ Ron Collins BTW Ron impressive time line what happened to the Los Alamos National Labs telephone directory listing Bob in it you forgot to list that. Also i believe in an appearance on C2C later with George Knapp Bob claimed that the element 115 he had access to was an isotope of the one that was created in our labs.

@ Paul my memory if foggy of this but i believe in Bob's pandering trial we presented some sort of evidence he had worked for the Department of Naval Intelligence that the judge accepted, or was entered into evidence or something like that.

Also Paul why mention Farrell and Ernst Zundel in the same sentence, they have nothing to do with each other it's a non sequitur. Sounds like your lumping them in together for your own edification.
 
Thanks Lance for that quite insightful observation. Thanks for adding to the discussion and furthering our collective quest for the truth.

Next time please add something to the thread with some kind of relevance, rather then smarmy remarks.
 
Hi Paul,
I agree on Stanton Friedman but I am still interested in the whole affair and still would like to hear from EYEWITNESS who actual worked in the location Mr Bob Lazar was employed until then its half a investigation:)
 
lancemoody said:
Jesus, the will to be stupid is overpowering in some people!
Even faced with careful and indisputable evidence of fraud, some people still put this crap into their "grey basket".
It should be called their "I am a dumb-ass basket"

Lovingly,

Lance
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Dude, not cool! Play nice and take the stridency to a private message. We are all entitled to our opinions, so keep it civil, OK?
 
The Pair of Cats said:
In the face of all this evidence re: Lazar, what is George Knapp's response? Does anyone here know?
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He's continued to keep an open mind on Lazar, albeit very strong armed in many ways, such as continuously bringing forth the holes in the story, yet has not publicly denied his honesty.

I have wondered how far he would go before he made it clear that Bob Lazar is a charlatan, but perhaps politics in the C2C realm has staved him from this....or perhaps he just feels as though the evidence to the contrary isn't strong enough to completely deny some of Lazar's storyline.

As far as I am concerned, I was one of those people who originally fell for the story and was naivete enough to have been taken in on element 115. Lazar had that situation with the time schedule and how he had his friends out there to witness one of the crafts, and then there was the supposed govt. cover up of all his education and employment past that I fell for....But it was finally the due diligence of Stanton Friedman and some others which brought me back to reality.

Here is something I posted earlier which in and of itself seriously shows the utter fabrication Lazar presented in all it's glory:

The Other Side of Truth: Stan Friedman Discusses UFO Frauds and Bob Lazar

And this site pretty much sums it up as far as everything you need to know about Bob Lazar's lies:

Swallowing the Camel: Hoaxes From Space Part I: Bob Lazar
 
I truly am concerned about the fact Lazar schooling and educational background, couldn't be substantiated. To this alone would be enough to discredit Lazar claims, and for some people in the UFO field, it was enough. But there is more to Lazar, than meets the eye. He is still somewhat a mystery to me still to this day. Here is my take on his unique story.

*Lazar, and his alleged educational background*
Stanton Friedman has debunked Lazar, as he could not find any record of him at MIT or CalTech.. No diploma, no photo of Lazar in any of the yearbooks, no memberships in professional organizations, no papers .. " Get the picture?

We do know George Knapp has contacted the very same Schools, that Lazar claimed he attended, and all said, they never heard of him? Lazar credibility straightaway has and had to be called into question, as his claims here are not panning out for him here!!

*Lazar alleged he once worked at Los Alamos National Laboratory (LANL)*
Stanton version of why Lazar was in the photobook of LANL. The phonebook included Employees of "DOE" and an outside Contractor, "Kirk Meyer" and K/M followed Lazar name in the phonebook. This proved Lazar worked for Kirk Meyer not LANL!!

I Stanton Checked this out/ probably by phone call or email, but he does not confirm how he contacted the personal department at LANL to get this information.

But Stanton has in my opinion left out some crucial elements in his debunking of Lazar, having worked for LANL.
1* Los Alamos National Laboratory, as it now turns out had been economical with the truth when first contacted by UFO researchers enquring about Lazar have worked at LANL

/Quote"We've no record of anyone called Robert Lazar on file.

George knapp "Due diligence" however later determined that to be a false record. As his name was found in the 1982 phonebook of LANL.

If he worked for "Kirk Meyer" not LANL. He still would require a certain level of education, above standard to have worked at Kirk Meyer. So Bob must have attended an above standard College or University somewhere in the United States? Lazar would have to have some job references before being employed, meaning he has work experience. As well as an educational background, before ever being hired by the management staff of Kirk Meyer.

His employers contracted him to LANL, as they'd believed, Bob had the ability to keep up with the work going on out there. So this is my opinion would be a testament to his ability and work ethic. It does not matter, if you don't believe or trust Lazar about his UFO claims. We do know. He has worked on site at Los Alamos Laboratory, as nobody in UFO research or elsewhere, has denied he hasn't!!..

2* Lazar claimed he met DR Edward Teller Hungarian born- American theorectical Physicist at lecture of his, held at Los Alamos Laboratory.
Bob had been in some local Paper/frontpage having build a "JET CAR" and this all happened before he made any of his bizarre UFO claims. The paper also claimed he was working out a LANL.

Allegedly according to Bob/ Dr Teller was reading his story from the paper that printed it. Bob* I saw him reading my story outside he was sitting on a wall"

'I decided to have chat, and he responded in kind back to me. Tha chat happened June 28TH 1982 .

Years later Bob sent Mr Teller his CV as he was looking for a new job. Mr Teller allegedly recommended Lazar for work at AREA51.He was vetted by acompany called EG&G first, then EG&G sent him to S4-Area51 for six months..

It will be impossible for anyone to confirm he had meeting wth DR Teller for sure at Los Alamos, or that he recommended Bob for Work at AREA51. But we do have a fascinating, but rare video of Mr Teller been asked these very questions. Dr Teller responded in afashion that I personally wouldn't have expected, if Bob was a telling lies about him.

The transcript of the video the reporter asking DR Teller/ do you know Bob Lazar?..

DR TELLER* Look in my opinion is not interesting. I don't intend to answer it!! If you ask me that Question(do I know Bob Lazar) again on "Camera" I will shout up, and sit silently. Your not going to get an answer from me on that.

The video is prove Dr Teller does not know Lazar in some capacity. I don't know why he is denying knowing him? I don't care about what Dr Teller does know, and doesn't know about spacecraft at S4. But his silence and anger is very telling, he does know Lazar the signs are obvious to even a small child.

There is only so much you can post in one post. But there is other puzzling items like the alleged "Payslip" Bob got from the Department of Naval Intelligence. People have commented on the very low pay showing. For 1989 not sure/ how bad '958 dollars' would be for an average employee in the United States 22 years ago?...

He wasn't a big time scientist media personality or anything like that. I don't think, he was getting 958 dollars a week for fixing a light, or been the janitor at Area51. It only one "Payslip" so it wil be hard to judge his actual earnings over that year, but the payslip would fit the timeline for when Dr Teller allegedly recommended Bob for a Job at AREA51, that would have been late Nov 1988...

Plus Knapp found out from other people who'd worked at Area51. Bob had worked at Area51 for a time. Plus the video of the UFO allegedly seen at Area51. Were Bob said there would a test flight of one of the UFOs, at a certain time and on certain day. It happened as he said it would. So that if true suggests he knows more then what the average worker at Area51does!!

All this in combination with other stuff does make this case interesting for me personally. Lazar could be full of it. But usually a person, that is full of it, never has anything worthwhile to show us, to back up their outrageous claims!!!..

I do wonder, if Bob is part of some intelligence apparatus to confuse the American people, and their enemies abroad? The project that was a secret in 1988/ was the F117 stealth fighter, not sure, if that was secret enough to bring him in to spread UFO disinformation. I simply don't believe Lazar made it all up he is a complete fraud, but just can't believe his story about UFOs and Aliens at Area51-S4 too either.. I might giving this case too much credit, but this case plays out like UFO disinformation to me in so many ways.
 
Kieran said:
*Lazar alleged he once worked at Los Alamos National Laboratory (LANL)*
Stanton version of why Lazar was in the photobook of LANL. The phonebook included Employees of "DOE" and an outside Contractor, "Kirk Meyer" and K/M followed Lazar name in the phonebook. This proved Lazar worked for Kirk Meyer not LANL!!
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From:
Swallowing the Camel: Hoaxes From Space Part I: Bob Lazar

Lazar evidently worked at Los Alamos as a repair technician, not as a senior scientist.
According to Gene Huff, Kirk-Mayer and Los Alamos have confirmed that Lazar was issued an employee ID number known as a "Z number". However, he also admits that anyone who works at any of the Los Alamos facilities is given a Z number, presumably even if they're doing contract work. George Knapp learned that Los Alamos has no other record of Lazar's employment there. Nor have any co-workers corroborated his presence, not even friends who worked at Los Alamos at the same time, including Joe Vaninetti and Joe's roomate, a physicist named Melissa Cray or Crey.
 
PararealitySaint said:
From:
Swallowing the Camel: Hoaxes From Space Part I: Bob Lazar

Lazar evidently worked at Los Alamos as a repair technician, not as a senior scientist.
According to Gene Huff, Kirk-Mayer and Los Alamos have confirmed that Lazar was issued an employee ID number known as a "Z number". However, he also admits that anyone who works at any of the Los Alamos facilities is given a Z number, presumably even if they're doing contract work. George Knapp learned that Los Alamos has no other record of Lazar's employment there. Nor have any co-workers corroborated his presence, not even friends who worked at Los Alamos at the same time, including Joe Vaninetti and Joe's roomate, a physicist named Melissa Cray or Crey.
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But how was that confirmed Lazar was a repair technician, Do you know? The Z number can be considered not relevant then, as we can't tell difference between each employee.

I slightly confused by your post. If Los Alamos have confirmed Bob had Employee ID Z. Ok, but then you said George Knapp learned that Los Alamos had no record of Lazar's employment there.
 
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