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Bob Salas and Rob Hastings Press Release 9/27 D.C. Press Conference
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Ezechiel
Paranormal Adept
I've got a great title for a future book: LOL
How to translate unaddressed 'national security concerns' into profitable book selling businesses
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My question ! ..... what was the opinion of the invited 'Congressional staff'. ? Did they even appear at the press club ?.... were they interviewed ?
Skymon876
Paranormal Adept
Robert Hastings and Bob Salas were just interviewed on TV on FoxNews Major network.
Check out this snotty reporter or anchor, what a jackass.
http://video.foxnews.com/v/4352195/ufo-sightings-kept-under-wraps/
Check out this snotty reporter or anchor, what a jackass.
http://video.foxnews.com/v/4352195/ufo-sightings-kept-under-wraps/
Sean Elifritz
Administrator
Other exotic explanations like time traveling, other universes, other dimensions, spiritualism, you name it, are too out there for the media. I've found that I can discuss this subject with friends from time to time and get a somewhat serious response but if I start talking about alternate realities and stuff like that they just tune out completely. These types of possibilities seem to make sense only to advanced students of the phenomenon, or in other words people who have been thinking about it for a long time. For newcomers it's ETs or nothing.
New 2 videos added to the batch:
Fox News - Happening Now - UFO Sightings Kept Under Wraps
Robert Salas & Robert Hastings interviewed over phone
(Credits for initial lead goes to RyGyWa and his post above)
Morning Live - Air Force Officers' Sworn Testimony About UFO Encounters + Leslie Kean Interview
Fox News - Happening Now - UFO Sightings Kept Under Wraps
Robert Salas & Robert Hastings interviewed over phone
(Credits for initial lead goes to RyGyWa and his post above)
Morning Live - Air Force Officers' Sworn Testimony About UFO Encounters + Leslie Kean Interview
DavidRavenMoon
anonymous anomalous
My point was that extraterrestrial is the proper term anyway. I like to say "non human entity"
Now if you had direct experience with this stuff, and more so with the entities than the disks, you would not think there's anyway it could be humans behind it.
And none of this stuff is new... it's been reported back thousands of years. We just had different ideas about what it was.
Lately I'm starting to agree with Phil Imbrogno that it sounds a lot like what people long ago called the Djinn. But since you can't explain an unknown with an unknown, we have no clue what the Djinn are, besides what were written about them in mostly religious context.
I honestly think that the ETH is far too simplistic. It's much weirder than that.
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That's not totally correct. People have reported both seeing the occupants through port holes and windows, and in and around landed disks. Also people have reported seeing inside of the disks, which are usually reported to being much larger on the inside in an absurd fashion, and pretty plain and round.
The question is, who do you regard as "we"? (as in we never see the insides of the craft...)
LOTS of people have reported being in the things. They can't all be crazy or liars.
You can't ignore the data.
Angel of Ioren
Friendly Skeptic
I haven't seen any data that confirms what you're saying. Apart from hypnosis and what people have said they have experienced, there's really nothing to go by. Some really interesting data is that the sensation of the "abduction scenario" has been recreated in the lab. That leads me to think that what we're dealing with is mental and not physical. Here's an interesting article (albeit from 11 years ago) from Wired about those experiments: Wired 7.11: This Is Your Brain on God
I prefer to take the logical approach to this since I don't see how any of this is possible. However, I'm sure that to people that have experienced something that feels like an alien abduction, it feels real to them and I sound like an obnoxious asshole. I've had alien abduction experiences, but i know for a fact that they can be attributed to sleep paralysis and watching too much Unsolved Mysteries growing up. That's something that's tangible and proven to be true. However, when an abductee comes back from their next experience with video footage and a piece of non-human technology, I will gladly apologize for doubting them.
Skymon876
Paranormal Adept
http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2010/09/29/am.ufo.hastings.cnn.html
He was on CNN American Morning today and it was a lengthy interview.
He still is talking about being positive its ET from another world.
I wonder why he is so certain.
He was on CNN American Morning today and it was a lengthy interview.
He still is talking about being positive its ET from another world.
I wonder why he is so certain.
DavidRavenMoon
anonymous anomalous
Obviously you are hand picking what you want to read. In some cases all we have are people's experiences, and when enough of them all report the same thing, and have been since people were scribbling on cave walls, either we are prewired to see the same things over and over, or people are seeing the same things over and over. The first scenario makes no sense.
Well you don't know everything, do you? We as a whole don't know everything. We can talk about the mechanics behind physical things, but not reality itself.
Most people who have these experiences were not asleep, so it is not sleep paralysis. I watched a lot of Bugs Bunny growing up, why is it I don't have experiences with large gray rabbits? There's also no reason for people to see the same things during sleep paralysis. The reason for that is unknown. It could just be that you are open to see such things when in that hypnogogic state. But the things might be real. You can't prove they aren't by saying sleep paralysis.
Honestly, your explanations are shallow and un-researched. It's like saying it's swamp gas or mass hallucination. You are just talking about what you already know off the top of your head.
You are also leaving out the cases of multiple abductions with people who know each other. There have also been cases where an abductee saw someone they recognized and later contacted that person and found out they were having the same experiences. There have been husbands and wives that started having the same dreams, and sometimes that included their kids. Then they realize it's happening to all of them. I've seen things when I was a kid, and now almost 50 years later I read about other people's experiences with exactly the same thing. Logic says that's not possible. And when I was a kid there was no Unsolved Mysteries or little gray aliens in popular culture. They were little green men with antennae. I never saw one of those either.
Clearly the people who testified at this press conference and in Leslie Kean's book hadn't been watching too much Unsolved Mysteries.
Angel of Ioren
Friendly Skeptic
Dude, I never said that I know everything. I freely admit that I can be wrong. It's what I think and once something comes along to show me that I am wrong, I will gladly accept it. I'm not cherry picking anything, as I have seen a lot of both sides of the argument. At this time, one side is more compelling to me. I am definately not saying I'm right, but you seem to come off as knowing that I am certainly wrong, and that's not fair either. The truth is, we have no idea who is right or wrong. We have experiences that people share, we have different explanations for them, and we see which ones make more sense to us, if any of them do at all.
Sean Elifritz
Administrator
I've had debates with Angelo along these lines before and I've learned that really it's just pointless. Angelo starts from the assumption that the very idea of alien contact is infinitely extraordinary. Seriously, he seems to put seeing an ET on equal footing with living to be 200 years old. I don't feel that way. The Milky Way consists of billions of star systems, the universe consists of billions of galaxies, and it is billions of years old. On top of that we've got inflation theory predicting an untold number of universes comprising a multiverse. Then you've got the quantum theory with its uncertainty principles, entanglement, and other oddities giving way to all sorts of possibilities. In a magnificent setting like this the most extraordinary scenario of all is Earth never being visited by anyone.
Angel of Ioren
Friendly Skeptic
Well it's not pointless Wickerman - I've learned stuff from you. I also don't think that alien contact is impossible. I just don't think it's what responsible for what we think of as alien abductions. I never say that I'm right though - I can totally be wrong, but we have to acknowledge that proponents of alien abductions can be wrong as well.
When you start to throw in the multiverse and everything that string theory and theoretical physics throw in, the possiblities become mind boggling for what people are experiencing. However, we can't say we have absolute proof that people are being abducted by aliens or whatever. We don't know. My position is that it's highly unlikely, but living past 30 used to be highly unlikely as well. My opinion is never set in stone - it can change when a good enough argument is presented.
I used to be a pretty religious Catholic, now I could not care less about religion. Things change. I used to think that alien abductions were a fact - that opinion changed too.
PS Wickerman, dude, we need to play Halo together so I can shoot you in the face, and you can do the same to me
That would be good for our forum relationship!CNN - American Morning - UFOs & Nukes - Sep. 29th, 2010
(Credits for initial lead goes to RyGyWa and his post on page 5 of the thread)
CBC - UFO Alert With Robert Salas & Richard Saurett - Sep. 28th 2010
Canadian Broadcasting Corperation
UFO Alert With Robert Salas & Richard Saurett
(Thanks to UFO Updates mailing list for initial lead)
(Credits for initial lead goes to RyGyWa and his post on page 5 of the thread)
CBC - UFO Alert With Robert Salas & Richard Saurett - Sep. 28th 2010
Canadian Broadcasting Corperation
UFO Alert With Robert Salas & Richard Saurett
(Thanks to UFO Updates mailing list for initial lead)
Angel of Ioren
Friendly Skeptic
Thanks for those links. It starting to look more and more like Hastings is just interested in getting his idea out there and that he wants to sell some books. He does not seem open to anything but extra terrestrials visiting us. No proof, just speculation. I guess it's fun to talk about it though.
trainedobserver
Paranormally Disenchanted
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The interviewer asks the right questions about the UFOs involved in the missile incidents.
Who are they?
Where did they come from?
How did they get here?
What do they care about what we're doing?
The great crime is that they have already assumed the answers to the questions. The first question is the most important. Who are they?
Trajanus
Paranormal Adept
It's all the more extraordinary when you consider that many stars are much older than ours. And we can't exclude the Population II systems due to metal deficiency. Once I asked astronomy experts when nucleosynthesis provided enough biogenic elements for the origin of life in our Universe. "It all happened fast" and "300 million years after the big bang" were the answers. In other words, some ET civilization could've surpassed us billions of years ago. Sagan once estimated just one could colonize the galaxy in a billion years, and I don't think he assumed any means of travel beyond our ken. In light of all that, IMO we should assume ET is coming here, or that most/all sightings are due to ETs.
Trajanus
Paranormal Adept
Somebody is definitely coming here and ET origin is most parsimonious.
He was a skeptic but heck, you can't expect anyone to be right about everything.
tyder001
Paranormal Adept
Ya know I wrote that and was kind of having fun with the Sagan thing. But, then I thought man I bet I get a huffy (to say the least) response from that so maybe I'll change it. But, I didn't and you gave (imo) a reasonible response without getting knee jerk angry.
I really haven't seen anything that makes me think we are being visitied but I do keep an open mind.