Chet Sapalio and the 31 January Paracast Show

[drudiak]

Here are Jesse Marcel's own words as quoted in a pro-ET Roswell book, proving that he said the famous photo was not a staged photograph:

"Just after we got to Carswell, Fort Worth, we were told to bring some of this stuff up to the general’s office - that he wanted to take a look at it. We did this and spread it out on the floor on some brown paper. What we had was only a very small portion of the debris there was a whole lot more. There was half a B-29-ful outside. General Ramey allowed some members of the press in to take a picture of this stuff. They took one picture of me on the floor holding up some of the less-interesting metallic debris. The press was allowed to photograph this, but were not allowed far enough into the room to touch it. The stuff in that one photo was pieces of the actual stuff we had found. It was not a staged photo." Charles Berlitz and William L. Moore, The Roswell Incident (New York: Grosset & Dunlap, 1980, 75.

Berlitz and Moore interviewed Marcel on the phone. Thus Marcel was never shown any photos when interviewed by them.

When Marcel was interviewed in person and actually shown some of the newspaper photos (such as by reporter Billy Cox or Linda Corley), he always denied that was the real debris he brought from Roswell and used words like "staged" or "faked" for benefit of the press. He also indicated that real debris was still in the room when the press photos were taken, but hidden from the reporters, saying they weren't that stupid as to let them see it.

Brig. Gen. Thomas Dubose, then Gen. Ramey's chief of staff, and pictured in two of the photos along with Ramey, completely backed up Marcel's story, and in multiple recorded interviews and an affidavit indicated that the weather balloon in the photos was a "cover story" designed to get rid of the press. Everything was also done in extreme secrecy, including transport of debris. See e.g.

http://www.roswellproof.com/dubose.html

As for Marcel saying that he was photographed with the real debris, I have speculated that Marcel may have been referring to internal military photos that have never been released. Kevin Randle in a recent blog indicated that Marcel said photos were also taken at Roswell (which we have never seen), and the same is likely for Fort Worth, Ramey's command. This would be standard operating procedure for the military, especially if they really felt they had a real "flying disc" in their possession (that is, after all, what they initial press release from Roswell base command Col. Blanchard indicated they had.)

With all due respect to Jesse Marcel Sr, his own official military records from the general time surrounding the Roswell incident state that he had a tendency to exaggerate. He claimed to have a bachelors in Physics, for example, but that is simply not true. He was a gentleman and served his country well, but he was not a credible witness.

You say with "all due respect", then misrepresent his actual military records to malign him. I have had Marcel's post-war military service evaluations up on my website for the past 7 years and no where does it say anything like he "had a tendency to exaggerate." Actually, they say quite the opposite. (Perhaps you are talking about yourself?) See:

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Reading through these, you will see his superior officers held him in high regard. These include Gen. Ramey, Col. Blanchard, and Col. Dubose, all deeply involved in the Roswell incident. E.g., Gen. Ramey a year later called Marcel's services to his command "outstanding", thought him command officer material, and protested his transfer, saying he had nobody in his command to replace him.

Another person to write about Marcel during this period was Col. John Ryan, later Air Force Chief of Staff and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs. (He was Ramey's operation officer during the Roswell incident and replaced Blanchard at Roswell as base commander the next year.) Ryan called Marcel's career "most exemplary" and "most outstanding".

Does this sound like Ramey or Ryan thought Marcel somebody who "had a tendancy to exaggerate" or was not "credible"?

David Rudiak

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You say with "all due respect", then misrepresent his actual military records to malign him. I have had Marcel's post-war military service evaluations up on my website for the past 7 years and no where does it say anything like he "had a tendency to exaggerate." Actually, they say quite the opposite. See:

Sorry, misspelled my own link. Here's the correct one to Marcel's military evaluations:

Major Jesse Marcel military evaluations

 

[drudiak]

Jesse Marcel was of course only one of many behind the Roswell story, but he was the first, and his shifting stories and unreliability are paradigmatic of subsequent "witnesses."

He was the first IMPORTANT Roswell witness, but not the first witness and certainly not the last. Many, many other witnesses have corroborated various elements of his story, such as the highly anomalous debris, and the cover-up in Fort Worth with a weather balloon. He did not "shift stories", another of your many "exaggerations" and attempts to malign the man in order to debunk Roswell.

If he was "unreliable", then it didn't show up in any of his prior or subsequent service evaluations by superior officers who actually worked with and knew the man. Instead he always received evaluations from"Excellent" to "Superior". In fact his evaluation scores went UP after Roswell, not down. Superior officers involved with Roswell (Blanchard, Dubose) recommended him for promotion to Lt. Colonel in the USAF Reserve afterward (which he got), he was recommissioned the following Spring instead of being let go (like a truly "unreliable" officer would be), and a year after Roswell the Pentagon's top secret Special Weapons Program squabbled with the Strategic Air Command over who was to get him for higher intelligence work.

Roswell base commander Col. William Blanchard's first evaluation after Roswell (besides giving Marcel an overall Superior rating) also used the following phrases that MOST described him: "No one ever doubts his ability," "Knows his job and performs it well," "The men know they can rely on his judgment," "Has admiration of officers & men alike," and "Commands respect by his actions."

On a numerical rating, he was given 9 out of 10 on "the degree to which he is able to discriminate & evaluate facts to arrive at a logical conclusion."

Do these describe an "unreliable" person or someone prone to "exaggerate" (as you have also claimed?

Jesse Marcel Jr. is a credible witness, but of what? Of something like hieroglyphics on I-beams. And from that he jumps to the ET hypothesis. He is a credible witness, but his deduction in this context is unwarranted and unsubstantiated.

Strange logic. Marcel Sr. is not credible but Marcel Jr. is? Marcel Sr. was chief intel officer at Roswell and a grown man and spent a full day with the debris and examining the full extent of the debris field. Marcel Jr. was 11 at the time and spent a lot less time examining it. Marcel Sr., unlike son, also knew about what happened at the base and discussions with people like base commander Blanchard. I would say Marcel Sr. knew quite a bit more than his son about what happened and the debris properties. Marcel Jr. in his recent book indicates his father withheld a lot from the family.

Like Marcel Jr., Marcel Sr. also described "hieroglyphics" on beams and other debris. Marcel Jr. has also said the metallic debris was definitely not aluminum foil but something else. He said what he saw does not match the balloon debris later photographed in Fort Worth and used to debunk the initial base press release (put out by Col. Blanchard) that they had recovered a "flying disc." That backs up his father as well.

The Marcels were certainly not alone in describing such debris; Marcel Sr. in particular had a LOT of corroboration for his anomalous debris descriptions. Nothing like what these many witnesses described existed back then. Comprehensive compendium of debris testimony:

http://roswellproof.homestead.com/debris_main.html

And, of course, there is now the alien body testimony (not even brought up by Marcel), mostly second- or third-hand, but with a few eyewitnesses, such as Lt. Walter Haut (Roswell public info officer and close friend of Col. Blanchard), Army photographer Sgt. Frederick Benthal, and MP "Eli Benjamin". There are now about 4 dozen such witnesses, including many who back up the much-maligned Roswell mortician Glenn Dennis. For summaries of body testimony:

http://www.roswellproof.com/dennis.html
http://www.roswellproof.com/henderson.html

Unbreakable metal with "memory" properties was already being tested in the States in the 1940s.

More of your "exaggeration". If there was such a metal back then, PROVE IT! You can't, because it simply didn't exist. Only recently have metals with similar properties been developed, such as so-called "liquid metals".

 

[Trajanus]

Roswell base commander Col. William Blanchard's first evaluation after Roswell (besides giving Marcel an overall Superior rating) also used the following phrases that MOST described him: "No one ever doubts his ability," "Knows his job and performs it well," "The men know they can rely on his judgment," "Has admiration of officers & men alike," and "Commands respect by his actions."

I recall how Kal Korff tried to denigrate Marcel in his book, in part by including a letter from Marcel's sister telling him she needed help to care for Mother. What has that got to do with anything?

If there was such a metal back then, PROVE IT! You can't, because it simply didn't exist.

Even if it did, how did it get to Roswell?
Great to see you here drudiak.

 

[Kieran]

Randle, Rudiak and others sure are.




For any balloon explanation to work Marcel and the others involved would've had to be retarded.

I doubt it was Mogul but still on the table as a possibility. But yes two cover up's within a couple of days is too much to believe. First it was claimed they had captured' A FLYING DISK' that was later retracted, and the weather balloon explanation was given to the public.

Now we no for certain the Weather Balloon was not what eyewitnesses saw, because if we are to believe the Government. Mogul was the cause. It's basically a tug of war; We have the Government version and we have the eyewitnesses version. The Government version is basically telling the public what crashed at Roswell was Mogul. It was revealed later, because it no longer needed to be classified.

The other version from eyewitnesses; is a story of aliens and finding debris from a disc. Roswell story is confusing to say the least.

The Balloon or the MOGUL explanation does not stack up considering the evidence. I Just can't see how anyone, be a person who is a civilian or military could be so confused, that they couldn't tell the difference between materials from a balloon and something which to your eyes looked otherworldly.

Marcel was certainly not a retard. I'd agree with you there.

Trajanus;... if they captured a flying disc. That is all well and good. If you have evidence that this Disc came from space. Please enlighten me to your evidence?

I personally speculate, have theories and opinions and form some of my opinions from my own cultures mythology. I've no evidence and I'm aware my opinions have no relevance unless I can provide Evidence. Trajanus you have interesting things to say; ..but be a little more opened minded and don't proclaim to know were UFOs come from. At the end of day. You could be right.

Personally in my opinion. I Think there is a strong possibility that some UFOs originate from other Planets out their in the universe. But there is also a possibility some UFOs are arriving from a place that occupy's the same space. I'm not well reversed in science, what i mean is;.. a world beside us (parallel world) I've that opinion for a number of reasons.

I speculate to who I believe the Nordics are. But that is just a opinion based on Irish mythology.. The descriptions of the Nordics is how Irish Mythology described them. So therefore my opinion mainly stems from that knowledge.

 

[Trajanus]

The Balloon or the MOGUL explanation does not stack up considering the evidence. I Just can't see how anyone, be a person who is a civilian or military could be so confused, that they couldn't tell the difference between materials from a balloon and something which to your eyes looked otherworldly.

Right and furthermore, as others have written the MOGUL launch 4--supposedly the one which came down on the ranch--was cancelled and others are accounted for.

Trajanus;... if they captured a flying disc. That is all well and good. If you have evidence that this Disc came from space. Please enlighten me to your evidence?
I personally speculate, have theories and opinions and form some of my opinions from my own cultures mythology. I've no evidence and I'm aware my opinions have no relevance unless I can provide Evidence. Trajanus you have interesting things to say; ..but be a little more opened minded and don't proclaim to know were UFOs come from. At the end of day. You could be right.

It's by far the most parsimonious view. What crashed was obviously technological, but not from here. Again, researchers have eliminated every prosaic possibility from MOGUL to a Japanese balloon bomb. Put two and two together. An advanced technical device, and big headed beings, points to a nonhuman technical intelligence. And one originating within our physical Universe--Roswell involved a wealth of physical material.

Personally in my opinion. I Think there is a strong possibility that some UFOs originate from other Planets out their in the universe. But there is also a possibility some UFOs are arriving from a place that occupy's the same space. I'm not well reversed in science, what i mean is;.. a world beside us (parallel world)

AFAIK, such a "world" was never even verified, let alone travel between it and here. We know other planets exist, we know life can evolve and become technical, and it is at least possible--indeed likely-that some planets are much older.

 

[Roger]

Roswell topic aside, it would be interesting to hear a more qualified physicist discuss the theoretical aspects of general and special relativity as they could possibly relate to long distance space travel.

 

[Xylo]

I am almost finished listening to this episode. Thus far I find Mr. Sapalio to be a fairly likeable guy, however I see a bit of the "Doe eyed believer" in him. When he began with the "extra-terrestrial" stuff and mentioned that he paid attention to the exo-politics and disclosure movements, red flags began to go off in my head. In fact I almost turned it off.

However I persevered and continued to listen.

I think Mr Sapalio is ernestly searching for some truth, however as is the case in many endeavors in this field, he's having some trouble separating signal from noise (to borrow the Paracast tagline.)

As for what happened at Roswell so many years ago...we'll never fully know. There will be no disclosure, as is evident in the effort behind all the cover stories. Yes, there were many witnesses to the post event events, but it's possible that they were "tampered with" and over time memories will fade.

So where do we go from here? I think it's time to move past Roswell...something happened. Something big happened. What was it? I don't know. We don't know. We all have our theories and ideas-some more substantial than others.

 

[Gene Steinberg]

An important part of our upcoming interview with Kevin D. Randle covers the history, how we first discovered evidence about the Roswell case and other flying saucer crashes, and that's an interesting story all by itself.

 

[Ezechiel]

Thus far I find Mr. Sapalio to be a fairly likeable guy, however I see a bit of the "Doe eyed believer" in him. When he began with the "extra-terrestrial" stuff and mentioned that he paid attention to the exo-politics and disclosure movements, red flags began to go off in my head. In fact I almost turned it off.

LOL. Thanks to the Paracast that filtering reaction is deeply embeded in my reflexes.

 

[Xylo]

LOL. Thanks to the Paracast that filtering reaction is deeply embeded in my reflexes.

And thus the reason that the numbersof "paranormal" podcasts I can actually listen to have dwindled immensely. For that I am immensely grateful.

I heard one with a certain "disclosure" propagandist recently and after everything he said my mind reflexively called "bullshit."

 

[Trajanus]

As for what happened at Roswell so many years ago...we'll never fully know. There will be no disclosure, as is evident in the effort behind all the cover stories.

I have no doubt there won't be disclosure anytime soon. But never.......too pessimistic.

 

[Xylo]

I have no doubt there won't be disclosure anytime soon. But never.......too pessimistic.

Realistic, in my view. Shoot me if I'm wrong, but 63 years later and no one's talking (officially.) I think it's safe to say that we'll never know.

But here's the kicker, say I'm wrong and the government/air force does disclose what really happened...would the UFO people believe them?

 

[djf]

Its just my opinion but if there were anything unusual about Roswell would the military not seal the place forever and i grew up with the Roswell story and i think the water now is so muddy that you cannot tell ....FACT from FICTION.

In the UK there used to be a television host called HUGHIE GREEN and he used to say he was driving on a highway near Roswell while serving with the RAF and he heard over the radio the now famous broadcast about the crash.

As with all things in life someone allways wants to make money and as young impressionable minds hear the latest stories they have not been subject to the many that have been before, so its become a giant chinese whisper.


DJF

 

[drudiak]

Its just my opinion but if there were anything unusual about Roswell would the military not seal the place forever and i grew up with the Roswell story and i think the water now is so muddy that you cannot tell ....FACT from FICTION.

I disagree. If anything, certain aspects of the event have gotten clearer as more and more witnesses have been found, usually with just little bits of information, but often cross-corroborating one another. E.g., there are now at least half a dozen witnesses to something covered with a tarp on a flat-bed truck accompanied by machine-gun toting MPs being driven down Main Street Roswell around 3:30 p.m. on July 8, and then being taken to the main hangar at the base. Size and general shape of the object match up well amongst witnesses, and also match base PIO Waler Haut's description in his affidavit of what he saw in the hangar later that afternoon. The flat-bed truck with MPs also matches up with other testimony of a nearer "north" site where a relatively intact craft with bodies was found.

Similarly, there are now at least 9 witnesses corroborating mortician Glenn Dennis' small alien casket story, either hearing it way back in 1947 or a few years afterward from Dennis, or saying they knew of it independently. E.g. Garner Mason said the family mortuary business in Hagerman, N.M., about 30 miles south of Roswell, actually supplied the small caskets, also corroborating Dennis' story that they didn't have the caskets to supply the base. A woman named Beverly Otto said that while working for NIH in Washington soon afterward, she ran into a nurse, who she claimed told her she was the one who ordered the child-size caskets at Roswell for the small aliens in the spaceship.

We now have a pretty good outline of what happened, with some important details still missing, but we know a lot more than we did 20 or 30 years ago. Many aspects of the event have really come together in the last 10 years into a cohesive and internally consistent story.

In the UK there used to be a television host called HUGHIE GREEN and he used to say he was driving on a highway near Roswell while serving with the RAF and he heard over the radio the now famous broadcast about the crash.

Hughie Green also told this story in the very first issue of Flying Saucer Review from 1955, one of the very early references to the Roswell crash after 1947 (there are others). He also mentioned how the story just seemed to disappear after hearing the radio bulletins.

My wife and I even heard a crashed saucer story complete with alien autopsies on Monitor radio news while driving across Arizona or New Mexico back around 1974 or 1975, again well before Roswell started to become a household word.

As with all things in life someone allways wants to make money and as young impressionable minds hear the latest stories they have not been subject to the many that have been before, so its become a giant chinese whisper.

Ah, the old researchers are just in it for the money. I doubt any major Roswell researcher has made better than minimum wage, if that, for the thousands of hours of time they have devoted to the case. Also I don't see how witnesses who had to be tracked down (instead of coming forward on their own) and often have only a minimal amount to relate (such as examples above) could tell such consistent stories of what happened. There is more to this than a "giant chinese whisper".

 

[Kieran]

Right and furthermore, as others have written the MOGUL launch 4--supposedly the one which came down on the ranch--was cancelled and others are accounted for.




It's by far the most parsimonious view. What crashed was obviously technological, but not from here. Again, researchers have eliminated every prosaic possibility from MOGUL to a Japanese balloon bomb. Put two and two together. An advanced technical device, and big headed beings, points to a nonhuman technical intelligence. And one originating within our physical Universe--Roswell involved a wealth of physical material.



AFAIK, such a "world" was never even verified, let alone travel between it and here. We know other planets exist, we know life can evolve and become technical, and it is at least possible--indeed likely-that some planets are much older.

I wasn't there to witness the event, I wasn't even born. I can't be so sure without having witnessed this Event with my own eyes. Do I believe in the story. Yes I do. But basically that is just my opinion based on nothingness . I Speculate all the time about Roswell and what could have happened then and later. However like I said; my opinion is worthless because I saw no craft and I saw no bodies.

I will speculate though. If what crashed AT Roswell was a non human craft. Absolutely it was technological. Flying discs have been spotted flying in our skies going back centuries. We humans never flew till the turn of the century. So what crashed at Roswell, is more than likely a craft of non human origin.

Jesse Marcel alleged he held in his hands. Metal with symbols. That would be considered Physical evidence for the person hearing the story. The craft was probably solid based on what I've heard. That is my opinion.

NO worlds have yet been found to prove we are not alone either. I do understand your point of view; The most likely explanation for UFO's is the ET hypothesis. however, they're is a wide range of odd phenomenon occurring alongside the UFO phenomenon. You would not associate this other odd phenomenon with the notion of aliens from other planets. We have ghosts, shadow people which I believe to be spirits of people past on. Lot of this phenomenon occurs at the same time as people witness UFO's. That's particular to say the least. If there is no connection. I be more willing to believe in your theory.

 

[Trajanus]

Realistic, in my view. Shoot me if I'm wrong, but 63 years later and no one's talking (officially.) I think it's safe to say that we'll never know.

Na, too pessimistic. Forty years ago people virtually nothing at all--just a few tidbits in Edwards' book. Then Marcel started talking, followed by a host of others. I know that's far from official disclosure, which won't come for quite some time yet. But while we may have to wait another 63 years plus, we should know by say 2100. As an analogy, ULTRA was long kept completely under wraps, even for 30 years after the most pressing need for secrecy ended, but disclosure still eventuully came.

But here's the kicker, say I'm wrong and the government/air force does disclose what really happened...would the UFO people believe them?

Considering the great quantity of debris collected and presumably stashed away somewhere, along with photographs etc, they'd probably have ample proof.

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I wasn't there to witness the event, I wasn't even born. I can't be so sure without having witnessed this Event with my own eyes. Do I believe in the story. Yes I do. But basically that is just my opinion based on nothingness . I Speculate all the time about Roswell and what could have happened then and later. However like I said; my opinion is worthless because I saw no craft and I saw no bodies.

But it's based on the testimony of those who did. Surely that's worth something.

NO worlds have yet been found to prove we are not alone either.

Considering the pace at which extrasolar planets are being found and the enhanced means of finding earth-sized ones, it's only a matter of time.

You would not associate this other odd phenomenon with the notion of aliens from other planets.

But it's well within the repertoire of advanced ETs. Using holgrams they could produce all kinds of weird apparitions.

 

[Kieran]

Trajanus, of course testimony is worth something. However the only reason why I am interested in this topic is, because I've witnessed usual unexplainable events during my life, and people I know, have seen things during their life which are not normal. So naturally I'm a believer in the UFO phenomenon. But I'm still not a doe-eyed believer in everything I hear. Now Roswell for me is an interesting story, and I my view is; something usual occurred during the summer of 1947. Was it crashing of a flying saucer? I don't know, and that's a honest response.

We humans occupy this planet alongside thousands of other lifeforms. We probably are the most intelligent creature out of all the species living on this planet. Now if they're is planets out there in the universe that are similar to this planet. That doesn't mean the same type of life that exists here.
Exists on that planet. Other lifeforms will adapt and be born into circumstances that they can live in. Bare with me. Look at our planet as an example,

This planet is just right for us and other lifeforms. We Humans and other lifeforms have the right tools to enable us to breath oxygen. If we had no mouth, nose, lungs and other organs. We would perish and die out. That is a fact. We couldn't live without having Oxygen every day.

So if there is life similar to us; out there somewhere in the universe, that life also needs oxygen. Of course; remember fish and other aquatic lifeforms breath air and water and not so much oxygen. Like I said life will adapt to the circumstances it finds itself in.

We might find planets like our own. But let us be realistic a blip on a photograph is one thing. Actually going to this planet, and exploring it that is another thing. We can't be sure; to what type of life exists on such a planet without exploring it and Cataloging what we find.

Trajanus; You have no prove they use holograms to produce weird apparitions. I don't believe for one moment that is true.

UFO's and other Odd phenomenon are connected. And I formed that opinion not over night. But due to personal experiences, plus my families experiences and friends. Outside of that; Irish mythology has lot of interesting things to say in reference to odd Phenomenon in the past. Tuathann de dannann; Were described as humans but mythical and very powerful. They had the ability to shapeshift or change form. But the most interesting part about the Tuatha, is the descriptions from were they came from. The Tuatha were said be the rulers of the Fairy world. Which was populated by various nature spirits, and the souls of the dead.

For me; the kind of explains why we have odd phenomenon and the UFO phenomenon occurring at the same time. They originate or are indeed coming from the same location. Could be all bunk. Of course it could be. I don't think it is however; If you read about all types of phenomenon that people have witnessed today and what was depicted in tales and myths of the ancient times. There is remarkable correlations to be found.

I can't dismiss for it that reason and for a number of other reasons. I think also. We have negative and positive entities. I've a believe also, entities from other Worlds will engage with people who suffer from negative emotions. Be it to help them or feed of such negative energy or something else entirely. I can't be sure.

I base that opinion on my family experiences with odd phenomenon. My Aunt has had experiences all through her life. But she experienced emotional scarring during her life, but not due to having Experienced what she has.
They are very personal to her. I Will just say, she suffered from depression for most of her life. Could those experiences that she suffered during her live and those experiences which involved visitation's from ghosts and other entities be somehow connected. I often wonder. It is there a connection. That I can't answer. I wonder if anyone else who has claimed to have been visited or been abducted by aliens. Had emotion or physical scarring during their life. It be interesting thing to investigate were possible.

 

[Trajanus]

But I'm still not a doe-eyed believer in everything I hear.

Nor I. I reject Meier for example.

Now Roswell for me is an interesting story, and I my view is; something usual occurred during the summer of 1947. Was it crashing of a flying saucer? I don't know, and that's a honest response.

For some time, those who have investigated this case most thoroughly favor the ET spaceship interpretation.

We humans occupy this planet alongside thousands of other lifeforms. We probably are the most intelligent creature out of all the species living on this planet. Now if they're is planets out there in the universe that are similar to this planet. That doesn't mean the same type of life that exists here.
Exists on that planet. Other lifeforms will adapt and be born into circumstances that they can live in.

All indications are, either a planet is earthlike or it isn't habitable. If it's earthlike, it's reasonable to expect convergent evolution i.e. similar evolutionary outcomes. Not PRECISELY the same. It's interesting that humanoid reports apear to bear this out. Most are basically like us but are different in some ways.

Trajanus; You have no prove they use holograms to produce weird apparitions. I don't believe for one moment that is true.

We can do it, why not spacefarers? It's a pretty easy explanation for many apparitions.

 

[Kieran]

Nor I. I reject Meier for example.



For some time, those who have investigated this case most thoroughly favor the ET spaceship interpretation.



All indications are, either a planet is earthlike or it isn't habitable. If it's earthlike, it's reasonable to expect convergent evolution i.e. similar evolutionary outcomes. Not PRECISELY the same. It's interesting that humanoid reports apear to bear this out. Most are basically like us but are different in some ways.




We can do it, why not spacefarers? It's a pretty easy explanation for many apparitions.

I'm posting to an America website. Which mainly deals with cases of UFO'S seen within the United States. We have debated the different theories to the origins of UFO's and we all personally we have our own favourite theory to the origins of UFO's.

But do me a favour, if nothing else do it out of curiosity. Go read and learn about the "Tuatha de danaan"
I think you will find it interesting.

For me, the more I read about the Tuatha. The more it explains for me the UFO phenomenon. There is historical references to this race, to be found all over the World from Greece, the Middle east, Denmark got it's name from the tribe of Dan and a number of other countries. Even in New Zealand, the Maori had tales of humans with red and blonde hair with pale skin. There was even a mummy found in New Zealand which proved that this could be factual tales.

I found out recently in the last week or so this. In the Books of Invasions written by monks in medieval times. This is considered a fictional account of Ireland's history before the flood and before the Celts. The monks wrote, the Tuatha brought four treasures to Ireland with them. Stone of destiny, was one of this treasures.Guess what this actually exists. It now has resting place at Edinburgh castle in Scotland.And still plays a central role in all British coronations. I'm finding lot of interesting things the more I look. Even Newgrange co Meath is been considered lately as being older than 6000 years old. Even if it wasn't, It still the oldest structure on the planet. That's a fact.

Schuyler would you be willing to take the time to research what I'M saying? because you have the right writing skills to write a post on the "Tuath de dannann. If you don't respond that's fine. I just want to know, what I'M saying is not crazy. Thanks

 

[Trajanus]

I'm posting to an America website. Which mainly deals with cases of UFO'S seen within the United States.

Many classic cases like Colares were outside.

For me, the more I read about the Tuatha. The more it explains for me the UFO phenomenon. There is historical references to this race, to be found all over the World from Greece, the Middle east, Denmark got it's name from the tribe of Dan and a number of other countries. Even in New Zealand, the Maori had tales of humans with red and blonde hair with pale skin. There was even a mummy found in New Zealand which proved that this could be factual tale

Could they be ETs? Or indigenous to Earth? If the latter, they would've become known to scientists long ago, if ordinary people everywhere knew about them.