Chet Sapalio and the 31 January Paracast Show

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He does have a bit of that reputation, and of course pro-archaeologists won't concur because they've never studied it. The references in his book are more important that the book itself.

But if we are to dismiss the book and the ideas because professional scientists do not concur, then, if we are consistent, we must dismiss Roswell and ETs from space for the same reason. You can't use the professional scientific community to bolster your case on the one hand, then dismiss them as irrelevant ti support a different case elsewhere.

Thanks, I am putting his book on my list. A quick question, does he include maps of the Mediterranean before sea levels rose about 12,000 years ago?

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OK there was no MASSIVE immigration. But there had to have been SOME, to account for the language. And even if only a limited number of Indo-Iranians came, they must have been dominant i.e. conquerors, if their language prevailed.

Remember though, the existing populations in the Indus Valley were under duress. Their agrarian societies were collapsing due to climate changes and famine and illness was probably widespread. Some linguists remain open to the idea that changes in language was an internal develop since there are elements of the Dravidian language that were still used. The evidence doesn't support an invasion, but I find it very likely there may have been commerce between the two groups and the language evolved as a result of those interactions.

 

[Trajanus]

Some linguists remain open to the idea that changes in language was an internal develop since there are elements of the Dravidian language that were still used. The evidence doesn't support an invasion, but I find it very likely there may have been commerce between the two groups and the language evolved as a result of those interactions.

I doubt commerce could've made the Indo-Iranian language dominant and those who wrote the Rig Veda appear warlike. But it was always accepted that they couldn't subdue all of India notably the Dravidian south.

 

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I doubt commerce could've made the Indo-Iranian language dominant and those who wrote the Rig Veda appear warlike. But it was always accepted that they couldn't subdue all of India notably the Dravidian south.

Perhaps not. Yet there is nothing in the Rig Veda that talks about a migration. It could be that Rig Veda is the result of a cultural shift from a stationary agrarian culture to a nomadic culture.

 

[Trajanus]

Perhaps not. Yet there is nothing in the Rig Veda that talks about a migration.

Well it was written centuries after the time suggested for the influx--c 1500 BCE. There are hints of war in it.

It could be that Rig Veda is the result of a cultural shift from a stationary agrarian culture to a nomadic culture.

It's noteworthy it indicates aspects of Indo-European culture besides language e.g. gods which represent elemental forces like Indra the thunder god--similar to Zeus. All that suggests immigration, and dominance of newcomers, so their culture prevailed even if their numers were small.

 

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It's noteworthy it indicates aspects of Indo-European culture besides language e.g. gods which represent elemental forces like Indra the thunder god--similar to Zeus. All that suggests immigration, and dominance of newcomers, so their culture prevailed even if their numers were small.

Currently there is no evidence to support that Indra came from the same Indo-European religions that gave rise to Zeus. Although there is truth to be found in the ancient writings of the past, it is folly to assume that all of what they tell us is fact. Often there were political, cultural, or economic factors to consider and we know little of those when it comes to society that created the Rigveda. Roman writings are rife with propaganda and untruths.

 

[Trajanus]

Currently there is no evidence to support that Indra came from the same Indo-European religions that gave rise to Zeus.

Long considered part of the same original cultural milieu, which included language.

 

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Long considered part of the same original cultural milieu, which included language.

Trajanus,
I unwilling to continue this conversation. I have done a lot of reading in the past few days, and currently there is nothing to support an invasion or migration of the Indo-Iranians leading to the region that gave rise to the Rigvedic trbes. Right now they can only be placed to Central Asia and there is very limited data; nothing to support a wide scale invasion or migration of the Andronovo or BMAC cultures moving east. The current archaeological evidence points more toward trade and the free exchange of cultures. Considering the world was a much less crowded space and not immune to the whims of weather and illness, I find it far more likely that stationary agrarian societies and nearby nomadic tribes found mutual benefit from each other.

I suspect that the truth is much more complicated than just war. Right now it is far more likely that the Rigvedic tribes may have obtained the chariot through commerce and communication with the Andronovo culture. And I am unwilling to make any additional statements of fact based on current knowledge. The levels of cooperation, commerce and communication were probably much, much higher than previously thought and again I must point out that all cultures are not static, they evolve, they change, they rise, they fall.

 

[Trajanus]

I unwilling to continue this conversation.

Fine. Back to UFOs.

 

[Red]

Fine. Back to UFOs.

LOL. Or the paranormal.

 

[Trajanus]

LOL. Or the paranormal.

This is the UFO subforum.

 

[Red]

This is the UFO subforum.

Do you always have to have the last word?